Clincher & tubular

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Hi.

Can someone tell me the difference. I know it's very amateur but need to know.

Cheers

Lumen

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seamus

All you really need to know is that you don't want tubulars unless you're track riding or currently participating in a road race.

Otherwise they're just a whole world of hurt.

Chips Lovell

But a joy to ride.

Murph100

Not a world of hurt at all, I use them everyday, puuuuuuuuuurfect !

Admittedly they're probably way too much hassle for the novice cyclist, and definitely complete overkill for me, but then so is my bike.



TBH ( ... and btw this is not at you Seamus ) there is more sh1te written about the hassles of tubs and the 'black art' of glueing them, usually by someone who has never even seen a tub let alone used one, just happened to hear from of friend of a friend who knows this guy who had tubs .... blah de blah !

I nervously glued my first set last month, terrified having read all the crap on the net, and it turned out to be a piece of p1ss, yeah I had a slight ( really slight ) hop near the valve, but it sorted itself out after the first ride. I'm actually looking forward to glueing up another set.


However, back to the OP, you can get very close to the ride quality of tubs with a high TPI clincher like Veloflex Corsa 22 and a latex tube, and never have to worry about glueing a tub.

Lemag

seamus wrote: »

Otherwise they're just a whole world of hurt.

el tonto wrote: »

But a joy to ride.

Sometimes I question my own maturity.

seamus

Murph100 wrote: »

there is more sh1te written about the hassles of tubs and the 'black art' of glueing them, usually by someone who has never even seen a tub let alone used one, just happened to hear from of friend of a friend who knows this guy who had tubs .... blah de blah !

I'll admit that I've never ridden tubs and while I completely and utterly see the benefit of them, I don't think they're suitable for everyday riding where you will relatively frequently have to stop and repair a puncture with at least 20k to go. That's what I'm referring to when I say "whole world of hurt"

For the kind of riding where a puncture means the end of the ride anyway - such as TTs, track riding and shorter road races, I totally see the benefit of tubs over clinchers.

Murph100

I guess if 'everyday riding' means 'urban commute' where you're more likely to have glass etc on the road, then yes, tubs are not the way to go.

Maybe it because I live in the country, but in 4 years of cycling, mainly the crap roads of Kerry & West Cork, winter included, and around Nice, I've never once had a puncture (cue onslaught of punctures :rolleyes: ), so my confidence in using tubs everyday is probably related to that.

... anyways should it happen, the drive will do herself the world of good

seamus wrote: »

everyday riding where you will relatively frequently have to stop and repair a puncture with at least 20k to go.

sled driver

They're great, provided you've a support vehicle following behind in close range and a guy equipped with a spare wheel capable of jumping out at a moments notice to perform a formula 1 type pit stop.

Otherwise, I don't know if I'd fancy bringing a pot of airfix glue and a paint brush everytime I went on a spin

Murph100

Another 'nugget' for the Google search engine :rolleyes:

sled driver wrote: »

They're great, provided you've a support vehicle following behind in close range and a guy equipped with a spare wheel capable of jumping out at a moments notice to perform a formula 1 type pit stop.

Otherwise, I don't know if I'd fancy bringing a pot of airfix glue and a paint brush everytime I went on a spin

seamus

Murph100 wrote: »

I guess if 'everyday riding' means 'urban commute' where you're more likely to have glass etc on the road

Well, yes
Only ever punctured on sub/urban roads. Never punctured while out in the wild country. Till this weekend, no doubt.
Still, not sure I'd be happy doing a 100k spin knowing that I'm effectively boned if I puncture. I'd prefer to be able to fix it 100% and continue on as before. Even carrying a spare tub means you have to turn around and limp straight home (right?).

Murph100

Well you've 2 options,

1. Carry a can of Vittoria Pitstop and hope that you're in that 50% that is works for, in which case you're up and running 100% in under a minute.

2. Carry a pre glued tub (folded properly glued side in, and no its not sticky ), rip off punctured tub ( fine with glue, a nightmare with tape ) and whack on spare glued tub, straighten it on the rim and pump it up. You're then fine to finish your spin whatever the length so long as you dont corner like a lunatic.

When you get home, take off the new tub, put a fresh layer of glue on it, mount it, straighten it, pump to 160 and leave for a day ( your rest day anyway ) then you're back to 100%.


Me ? I carry a can of Pitstop, a phone, and in case option 1 doesn't work, enough cash for a few pints while I'm waiting for herself

seamus wrote: »

I'd prefer to be able to fix it 100% and continue on as before. Even carrying a spare tub means you have to turn around and limp straight home (right?).

BTH

Murph100 wrote: »

enough cash for a few pints while I'm waiting for herself

Note to self, carry more cash on spins. She's bound to get lost.

Murph100

You can sing it, that in addition to the time it takes for her to do the hair, makeup and decide what to wear ... all for driving to a pub in the middle of nowhere :rolleyes:

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

Note to self, carry more cash on spins. She's bound to get lost.

BTH

Murph100 wrote: »

You can sing it, that in addition to the time it takes for her to do the hair, makeup and decide what to wear ... all for driving to a pub in the middle of nowhere :rolleyes:

She has to pick an outfit, do her hair and makeup jest to pick you up, meanwhile you're in the pub in lycra and helmet hair. Yet she calls you crazy.....

Murph100

You have no idea ...

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

She has to pick an outfit, do her hair and makeup jest to pick you up, meanwhile you're in the pub in lycra and helmet hair. Yet she calls you crazy.....

Holyboy

Murph100 wrote: »

Not a world of hurt at all, I use them everyday, puuuuuuuuuurfect !

Admittedly they're probably way too much hassle for the novice cyclist, and definitely complete overkill for me, but then so is my bike.



TBH ( ... and btw this is not at you Seamus ) there is more sh1te written about the hassles of tubs and the 'black art' of glueing them, usually by someone who has never even seen a tub let alone used one, just happened to hear from of friend of a friend who knows this guy who had tubs .... blah de blah !

I nervously glued my first set last month, terrified having read all the crap on the net, and it turned out to be a piece of p1ss, yeah I had a slight ( really slight ) hop near the valve, but it sorted itself out after the first ride. I'm actually looking forward to glueing up another set.


However, back to the OP, you can get very close to the ride quality of tubs with a high TPI clincher like Veloflex Corsa 22 and a latex tube, and never have to worry about glueing a tub.

Your right,they are dead easy to fit, though I once watched with interest as a "veteren mechanic" was fitting one, he got an artists brush, no lid brush for him, and spent two days fitting it, I have to say I was less than impressed but it probably stayed on, as there was glue all over it!!

sled driver

Murph100 wrote: »

Another 'nugget' for the Google search engine :rolleyes:

A shocking allegation :eek:

No, from personal experience, admittedly very limited!!

I haven't used it, but as you've said, Pitstop - 50% success rate. Puncture on 4 spins and your day is over on 2 of them. I just don't like those stats.

But mainly, I was not at all comfortable on the bike after the pre-glued tub was "secured" to the rim. Supposedly, it's only lunatic cornering and agressive braking you should avoid, but I had no faith in the patch job (which is what it is until you get home and do a proper glue job to bring it back to 100%) and once I lost confidence in the handling, every turn seemd a lunatic corner and every fearthered deceleration appeared aggressive. I know, it was probably all in my head, but once I couldn't trust the set-up, I just got no enjoyment from the rest of the day.

I don't have the benefits like the pro's of just waving my hand in the air and have my man servant deliver me a new, fully secured, wheel for my riding pleasure so I'll be sticking with the clinchers - punture, replace and carry on, safe in the knowledge that the equipment is 100% (or as near as can be expected from any component) up to its job.

The pot of airfix glue and paint brush was somewhat tongue in cheek.

However, having said all that, I can appreciate the merits of waving your hand in the air, realising that Mrs Murph100 and your support vehicle are nowheere in sight and having no option but to abandon the steed and get the beers in as you wait for back-up to arrive

Hell, I've been tempted to intentionally puncture the spare tube just to kick off such an impromptu session in the middle of nowhere on a fine evening

Murph100

This is exactly the reason why, on the few sunny days we do get, I just cycle up & down the road outside Spillanes pub in the Maharees ... sun, sea, sand, huge ninety nines, amazing Guinness and fresh crab claws ... sure them crab claws would go through anything

sled driver wrote: »

However, having said all that, I can appreciate the merits of waving your hand in the air, realising that Mrs Murph100 and your support vehicle are nowheere in sight and having no option but to abandon the steed and get the beers in as you wait for back-up to arrive

Hell, I've been tempted to intentionally puncture the spare tube just to kick off such an impromptu session in the middle of nowhere on a fine evening

sled driver

Murph100 wrote: »

This is exactly the reason why, on the few sunny days we do get, I just cycle up & down the road outside Spillanes pub in the Maharees ... sun, sea, sand, huge ninety nines, amazing Guinness and fresh crab claws ... sure them crab claws would go through anything





In that case, I've changed my mind!!!

Wanted - a set of dodgy tubs to join Murph100 for a "cycle" around the Maharees

Moreofthatjazz

Spillanes are doing Crabs claws again ??? last bleedin time i was down the selection of fish was terrible... i'm on my way...

dave2pvd

Murph100 wrote: »

This is exactly the reason why, on the few sunny days we do get, I just cycle up & down the road outside Spillanes pub in the Maharees ... sun, sea, sand, huge ninety nines, amazing Guinness and fresh crab claws ... sure them crab claws would go through anything

Happy to hear Spillanes is still going. Spent several Summers in the Maharees, I did. Happy days....

Murph100

Aye, Heaven on earth, and you dont have to go near an airport

gman2k

Murph100 wrote: »

Well you've 2 options,

1. Carry a can of Vittoria Pitstop and hope that you're in that 50% that is works for, in which case you're up and running 100% in under a minute.

2. Carry a pre glued tub (folded properly glued side in, and no its not sticky ), rip off punctured tub ( fine with glue, a nightmare with tape ) and whack on spare glued tub, straighten it on the rim and pump it up. You're then fine to finish your spin whatever the length so long as you dont corner like a lunatic.

Another 2 options;
3. Pre-treat the tubs with sealant such as Stans. (I commuted in the dark to work recently on tubbed 303s:eek: ) Had to, the other road bike was out of action.
4. Don't go down the Clincher or Tubs route at all - go tubeless! With the puncture free success I've had on the MTB over the year, that's the smart option. (E.g. I had 17 punctures in my rear wheel one trip, no major loss of pressure!)

blorg

I have a set of Zipp 404 tubs for racing and very nicely they ride, but I wouldn't even consider using them for anything else. I'm not sure to be honest about how much the feel comes from the tyres, but they are also very light wheels for a deep section clincher and that is noticable compared to my Cosmic Carbone clinchers.

To be honest to an extent if you are asking the question you don't need them.