whats my camera and kit worth?

JDPhotography

as above whats it worth,

Canon EOS 20D
Sigma 70-300 mm f3.5-5.6
Canon 18-55 mm f3.5-5.6
Canon 50 mm f1.8

the reason i ask is because i want to change to a Nikon D3100 or D3000

cheers jamie.

DaireQuinlan

JDPhotography wrote: »

the reason i ask is because i want to change to a Nikon D3100 or D3000

Why ?

JDPhotography

DaireQuinlan wrote: »

Why ?

I like the look of the D3100 and just a bit of a change really, want to try out different makes

jpb1974

Assuming the condition is pretty decent I would guesstimate the following -

Canon EOS 20D
€250

Sigma 70-300 mm f3.5-5.6
€100

Canon 18-55 mm f3.5-5.6
€40

Canon 50 mm f1.8
€70

JDPhotography

jpb1974 wrote: »

Assuming the condition is pretty decent I would guesstimate the following -

Canon EOS 20D
€250

Sigma 70-300 mm f3.5-5.6
€100

Canon 18-55 mm f3.5-5.6
€40

Canon 50 mm f1.8
€70

Not bad id be happy if a shop gave that for my kit :cool:

jpb1974

I was assuming you meant to sell via adverts.ie or eBay. A shop will give you less... a significant amount less.

JDPhotography

jpb1974 wrote: »

I was assuming you meant to sell via adverts.ie or eBay. A shop will give you less... a significant amount less.

oh, i had planned on selling to a shop as part exchange on my new camera

jpb1974

I'd hazard a guess and say the shops would give you:

Canon EOS 20D
€180

Sigma 70-300 mm f3.5-5.6
€65

Canon 18-55 mm f3.5-5.6
€20

Canon 50 mm f1.8
€40

They will want to sell them onto prospective customers and make a margin for themselves.

The 20D would be a hard sell for them as it is an old camera as far as modern DSLRs are concerned. Not many people would be in the market for a 18-55mm either as this is a kit lens that was package with most entry level DSLRs.

JDPhotography

jpb1974 wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess and say the shops would give you:

Canon EOS 20D
€180

Sigma 70-300 mm f3.5-5.6
€65

Canon 18-55 mm f3.5-5.6
€20

Canon 50 mm f1.8
€40

They will want to sell them onto prospective customers and make a margin for themselves.

The 20D would be a hard sell for them as it is an old camera as far as modern DSLRs are concerned. Not many people would be in the market for a 18-55mm either as this is a kit lens that was package with most entry level DSLRs.

150E in the difference :eek:

would the D3100 be much better than the 20D ?

jpb1974

150E in the difference

And I can assure you... that was a conservative estimate. Some shops might refuse the items as none of them are highly sought after nowadays. The 50mm is probably the most highly regarded item in your listing.. but you can buy these new for €100.

would the D3100 be much better than the 20D ?

Depends what you're definition of better is... but in the general sense the answer would probably be 'Yes' as it is a more modern camera with all the latest bells and whistles.

JDPhotography

jpb1974 wrote: »

And I can assure you... that was a conservative estimate. Some shops might refuse the items as none of them are highly sought after nowadays. The 50mm is probably the most highly regarded item in your listing.. but you can buy these new for €100.

true that, might put it on donedeal and adverts.

Depends what you're definition of better is... but in the general sense the answer would probably be 'Yes' as it is a more modern camera with all the latest bells and whistles.

Just want a newer camera really, has a bigger screen ( much needed ) as faras FPS that dosent really bother me, the canon can go to 1/8000 sec and nikon 1/4000 sec, again doesnt bother me at all as the most i ever use would be 1/1000 sec

Thanks for the quick replys.

Cheers, Jamie

magicbastarder

JDPhotography wrote: »

I like the look of the D3100 and just a bit of a change really, want to try out different makes

you don't mention any specific problem with your current rig.

JDPhotography

magicbastarder wrote: »

you don't mention any specific problem with your current rig.

only problem i have with it is that the screen is too small and really annoyin when trying to find faults with the image.

and all in all just want a new camera and the Nikon D3100 is cheap enough and does everything i want :cool:

kfish2oo2

JDPhotography wrote: »

the reason i ask is because i want to change to a Nikon D3100 or D3000

Unless you have a lot of cash to burn, I wouldn't bother. You already have a camera and a decent range of glass - why switch? It'll end up costing you a hell of a lot more than your current kit is worth to get the same level of gear on a Nikon body. A camera is a camera - it takes pictures. Canon and Nikon in particular are so close in terms of image quality as to make no difference. When it comes right down to it, the only significant differences are megapixels (which Canon tends to have more of) and user interface (which Nikon makes slightly more user friendly). You'd be much better off getting a new Canon body - especially in that price range.

Personally, I have used the 3100D on several occasions - for both shooting and video sessions. Its construction leaves a lot to be desired - you can practically feel the cheap plastic flexing when you have a decent grip on it. The screen is also very low resolution and makes judging shots on location all but pointless. The video codec is frankly crap - no matter what conditions you shoot in (even studio) there's ghosting and visible scan lines. Its also so light that with even a marginally heavy lens the whole thing feels very unbalanced and awkward. If I had to choose a Nikon, I would go for the 5100D as my cheapest option.

Its up to you, but switching bodies now will cost you more money than you think - especially if you want glass to replace what you already have.

JDPhotography

kfish2oo2 wrote: »

Unless you have a lot of cash to burn, I wouldn't bother. You already have a camera and a decent range of glass - why switch? It'll end up costing you a hell of a lot more than your current kit is worth to get the same level of gear on a Nikon body. A camera is a camera - it takes pictures. Canon and Nikon in particular are so close in terms of image quality as to make no difference. When it comes right down to it, the only significant differences are megapixels (which Canon tends to have more of) and user interface (which Nikon makes slightly more user friendly). You'd be much better off getting a new Canon body - especially in that price range.

Personally, I have used the 3100D on several occasions - for both shooting and video sessions. Its construction leaves a lot to be desired - you can practically feel the cheap plastic flexing when you have a decent grip on it. The screen is also very low resolution and makes judging shots on location all but pointless. The video codec is frankly crap - no matter what conditions you shoot in (even studio) there's ghosting and visible scan lines. Its also so light that with even a marginally heavy lens the whole thing feels very unbalanced and awkward. If I had to choose a Nikon, I would go for the 5100D as my cheapest option.

Its up to you, but switching bodies now will cost you more money than you think - especially if you want glass to replace what you already have.

what Canon body would be a good upgrade from the 20D?

i'm open to all opinions on what body or make i should get next.

kfish2oo2

For screen size alone, the 500D, 550D and 600D offer 3" LCDs with much higher resolution than the Nikon equivelants (920k vs 230k). Of the three, the 500D has the lowest resolution sensor at 15MP, whereas both the 550D and 600D use better 18MP sensors. Overall the picture quality isn't all that different, but the 550D and 600D have slightly better noise handling at higher ISOs. The 500D's major disadvantage is its capped 20fps 1080p video, whereas both the 550D and 600D can shoot 1080p at 25fps. The 550D and 600D also have audio-in ports for microphones, which is extremely handy when it comes to video.

There is, of course, the entry level 1100D which is fairly new. Not a bad camera, but the screen is smaller (2.7inch) and has the 230k resolution, which I find useless for on-location picture analysis. It can shoot 720p video at 30fps, but it can't do any full HD (1080p). As the 500D is older, it usually goes for about the same price as the 1100D, so in a toss up, going for the 500D is a no brainer (these are online prices, by the way, not in store).

pixbyjohn

My advice is to stay with Canon cos you won't have to buy new lens.

DaireQuinlan

pixbyjohn wrote: »

My advice is to stay with Canon cos you won't have to buy new lens.

^^ what he said. Also because choosing between some up to date Canon body and some similarly specced Nikon body won't make an iota of difference to your actual photography.

JDPhotography

Thanks for all replies lads

Can I just post to say that, although I'm not the most knowledgeable on some of the items on your list, with regards to the 20D body, and whoever gave you the price list on the last page (too lazy to go back and check), I'd say €250 is quite optimistic for a 20D body.

I bought my 20D in January 2010 for €230 with the 18-55 kit lens included. Maybe I got an amazing deal? But even so, I'd say you'd struggle to get €250 for the body on it's own.


Anyway, that said, I wouldn't switch to Nikon just for the sake of it. I upgraded my 20D (which I still have as a backup) to the 7D. Now, admittedly, the 7D is a fairly expensive camera, but assuming you're ona budget, and plan to sell the 20D, I'd say a 550D could be a good purchase (it's about €500-€600 I think?).

I do admit that a bigger screen is massively beneficial, and is the reason I mostly wanted to upgrade to the 7D from the 20D (though I spent about a month constantly reading reviews and watching "Versus" videos on the 550D, 60D and 7D bodies before making a purchase).


The 1000D is cheaper again, with a bigger screen (though i know nothing of it's technical values, FPS, MP, etc. so not sure how it would work in your day-to-day shooting life).

kfish2oo2

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyway, that said, I wouldn't switch to Nikon just for the sake of it. I upgraded my 20D (which I still have as a backup) to the 7D. Now, admittedly, the 7D is a fairly expensive camera, but assuming you're ona budget, and plan to sell the 20D, I'd say a 550D could be a good purchase (it's about €500-€600 I think?).

Can be found for €450 for the body only with a bit of searching on ebay (new, of course).

Deleted User wrote: »

The 1000D is cheaper again, with a bigger screen (though i know nothing of it's technical values, FPS, MP, etc. so not sure how it would work in your day-to-day shooting life).

The screen is a good size (2.7inches) but the resolution is very low - only 230k compared to the 500D, 550D and 600Ds 920k resolution. For a screen that size with a resolution of 230k, you will be able to see individual pixels quite clearly and there will be a massive loss of detail. As for FPS, it can manage 3fps in continuous shooting mode for JPEGs (RAW will be slower) and the cameras sensor is 12MP. Not a bad camera by any stretch, but its worth going for a higher end model for the nicer screen, better build quality and better image quality.

hbr

JDPhotography wrote: »

what Canon body would be a good upgrade from the 20D?

i'm open to all opinions on what body or make i should get next.

Unless you are planning to upgrade to a more expensive camera like the
7D or 5D, the logical choice for upgrading an xxD is the latest camera
in the xxD line. This is currently the 60D.

xxxD cameras are smaller, lighter and not as well built as the xxD models.
All of the current xxxD cameras have bigger and better LCD screens
than the 20D. They also have pentamirror viewfinders that are not
as good as the prism viewfinder in the xxD models.

Unless you really need the flip-out LCD of the 600D, the 550D is a good
choice. It uses the same 18MP sensor as the newer 600D and the more
expensive 60D.

As none of your lenses are particularly valuable, you wouldn't lose
a huge amount if you did switch to Nikon. The 50mm f/1.8 will be easy
to sell. The other lenses are less attractive. I'm inclined to agree with
KKV about the price of the 20D body.

I don't think the D3100 is the best choice for an experienced user like
you. IMO, it is missing some must-have features like exposure bracketing
and wireless remote shutter release. I would be more inclined to pay the
extra for the D5100 or buy a used D5000.

I agree with most of the other posters. Apart from satisfying your own
curiosity, there is nothing to be gained by switching to another brand.
If you have Canon lenses, then it makes more sense to buy another
Canon. If you had a few Nikon, Pentax or Sony/Minolta lenses, it would
be best to buy the camera that works with your existing glass.

dmg1982

I've no idea what your budget is, but I recently upgraded my backup body to a 60D and I can highly recommend it. Purchased while traveling in Canada for €720 equiv for the body only. I think they're about €999 here in shops?

I've a (very) quick review on my site if you're interested:
http://www.photodmc.com/blog/2011/7/12/quick-review-canon-60d.html

Like everyone else here I don't see the point in selling all your kit just to switch to another brand. You're going to lose cash by selling and it's not going to make you a better photographer.

Hope that helps.