Converting kitchen back to garage planning question

Busy Lizzy

My kitchen was previously a 15m2 garage. I am extending my house to the rear as an exempted development (i.e. less than 40m2).

If i convert the kitchen back to a garage do i get the 15m2 area "back" to use in extension at rear?
Thanks!

BryanF

Busy Lizzy wrote: »

My kitchen was previously a 15m2 garage. I am extending my house to the rear as an exempted development (i.e. less than 40m2).

If i convert the kitchen back to a garage do i get the 15m2 area "back" to use in extension at rear?
Thanks!

Afraid not, 40msq is the max exempted development, there are also other stipulations to this exemption, so read the regulations carefully or get and arch tech to double check your proposal. 40msq is a good sized extension but its always best to take and over view of your existing house, to evaluate what the best layout and use of space is. my advice get an arch to help you do this. you should get good drawings and details done regardless of whether planning is required, or you be back here with problems during your build, probably when its to late to change things..
Regarding the garage to kitchen and back to garage. did you get planning to change from garage to kitchen originally? It would have been necessary. I guess if you didn't then turning it back in to a garage is possibly ok without planning.. but I'd make a call to LA to clarify in any case.

muffler

BryanF wrote: »

Regarding the garage to kitchen and back to garage. did you get planning to change from garage to kitchen originally? It would have been necessary.

That would most likely have been exempt.

DOCARCH

BryanF wrote: »

Did you get planning to change from garage to kitchen originally? It would have been necessary.

Not necessarily - the following is exempt:

The conversion for use as part of the house of any garage, store, shed or other similar structure attached to the rear or to the side of the house.

As long as it does not exceed 25m.sq.

You can of course also get an architect to double check your proposal.

Edit: Apologies to Muffler - he also said the same thing. I did not read his post properly!

BryanF

muffler wrote: »

That would most likely have been exempt.

I had imagined a garage door changed to kitchen window altering the front of dwelling and requiring PP. sure whatever, its not like we can do an accurate assessment from what was asked above

DOCARCH

BryanF wrote: »

I had imagined a garage door changed to kitchen window altering the front of dwelling and requiring PP.

Some county councils will allow this an exempt devleopment and some will not.

sydthebeat

DOCARCH wrote: »

Some county councils will allow this an exempt devleopment and some will not.

thats my experience too.... some consider it necessary material alteration in the change from garage to habitable.

Busy Lizzy

Sorry i will clarify - the garage was converted in 1975 and is approx 15m2, and an upstairs bedroom was also built in 1975 it is approx 12m2 i.e. 27m2 - therefore we have 13m2 i.e. (40m2-27m2) to play around with however if we convert the kitchen back to a garage then we will have 13m2 + the 15m2 that is the existing kitchen....giving us 28m2 to extend? my question is can we put the area of kitchen/garage back into the equation.... or not. I am just trying to suss it all out at this stage and will eventually get an architect to check it all.... but until then it'd be good to know what i'm getting into! Thanks again.

muffler

Busy Lizzy wrote: »

Sorry i will clarify - the garage was converted in 1975 and is approx 15m2, and an upstairs bedroom was also built in 1975 it is approx 12m2 i.e. 27m2 - therefore we have 13m2 i.e. (40m2-27m2) to play around with however if we convert the kitchen back to a garage then we will have 13m2 + the 15m2 that is the existing kitchen....giving us 28m2 to extend? my question is can we put the area of kitchen/garage back into the equation.... or not. I am just trying to suss it all out at this stage and will eventually get an architect to check it all.... but until then it'd be good to know what i'm getting into! Thanks again.

The only provision in the regs for an exemption in relation to the provision of a domestic garage is for a detached garage. So if you go to convert habitable accommodation to a garage/storage area it will require planning permission.

Its not explicit in the P & D regs but that is my understanding of it.

martinn123

I think some of you may be missing the point, or the question.
It appears the OP is trying to achieve the 40SqM exemption, by cancelling or reversing previous alterations.

however I think he/she is confusing various exemptions, i.e the original garage conversation, the additional upstairs bedroom, and the ''current'' 40 SqM exemption which only refers to the rere of the house.

So consult a local professional who will straighten it all out for you.

Apologies Op if I am reading this wrong, but I thing this is what you are really asking

here

busy lizy wrote:

Sorry i will clarify - the garage was converted in 1975 and is approx 15m2, and an upstairs bedroom was also built in 1975 it is approx 12m2 i.e. 27m2 - therefore we have 13m2 i.e. (40m2-27m2) to play around with however if we convert the kitchen back to a garage then we will have 13m2 + the 15m2 that is the existing kitchen....giving us 28m2 to extend? my question is can we put the area of kitchen/garage back into the equation.... or not. I am just trying to suss it all out at this stage and will eventually get an architect to check it all.... but until then it'd be good to know what i'm getting into! Thanks again.

Busy Lizzy

Yes that is my question... so if we do get planning permission to convert the kitchen back to a garage what is the likelihood that the LA will allow us to allocate the space back into the extension under exempted development?

I will consult a professional who can survey it etc and give me a definitive answer, i was just testing the waters!
Thanks for your help...

martinn123

Busy Lizzy wrote: »

Yes that is my question...
Thanks for your help...

No problem, I will hand you back to the '' professionals''

Poor Uncle Tom

The regulations are fairly clear on this one:

CLASS 1

The extension of a house, by the construction or erection of an extension (including a conservatory) to the rear of the house or by the conversion for use as part of the house of any garage, store, shed or other similar structure attached to the rear or to the side of the house.
1. (a) Where the house has not been extended previously, the floor area of any such extension shall not exceed 40 square metres.
(b) Subject to paragraph (a), where the house is terraced or semi-detached, the floor area of any extension above ground level shall not exceed 12 square metres.
(c) Subject to paragraph (a), where the house is detached, the floor area of any extension above ground level shall not exceed 20 square metres.
2. (a) Where the house has been extended previously, the floor area of any such extension, taken together with the floor area of any previous extension or extensions constructed or erected after 1 October 1964, including those for which planning permission has been obtained, shall not exceed 40 square metres.

The 40M2 includes ALL previous extensions since 1st October 1964, whether they have planning or not, AND the conversion of any garage to use for habitable purposes.
Changing them back does not alter the fact they were previously used for habitable purposes and will have to be counted, imo.

Busy Lizzy

Thanks Poor Uncle Tom