car powers house for 2 days

Sesshoumaru

http://www.gizmag.com/nissan-leaf-providing-household-power/19411/

Nissan has unveiled a new power supply system that allows electricity stored in the lithium-ion batteries of the all-electric Nissan LEAF to be supplied to a house. With the LEAF's batteries able to store up to 24 kWh of electricity, Nissan says the system could supply the average Japanese household with electricity for about two days.

I think this is really cool! Charge your car at night on cheaper night rate electricity and then use it to run your house during the day. This could have applications for solar/wind power at home. It could also help us make our electricity grid smarter.

@Mods - Not sure if this is suitable for motoring? It's a car, so I posted here!

Sesshoumaru

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Note that the average power consumption of a Japanese household is far less than an average US household (I would say that Europe cant be far behind the US).

I had a look and according to this article the average US household uses 30 kwh per day

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/08/buy-an-electric-carto-power-your-house.html

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the average U.S. household used 908 kwh of electricity per month, or about 30 kwh per day.

So maybe the average European household would get 24 hours at least?

keithclancy

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

http://www.gizmag.com/nissan-leaf-providing-household-power/19411/



I think this is really cool! Charge your car at night on cheaper night rate electricity and then use it to run your house during the day. This could have applications for solar/wind power at home. It could also help us make our electricity grid smarter.

@Mods - Not sure if this is suitable for motoring? It's a car, so I posted here!

I would suspect that using the Charge and Discharge cycles of the extremely expensive battery pack would cost you more in the long run.

More of an emergency thing really and the City Dwellers would rarely have power cuts anyway.

Good idea, but imo better suited to a Hybrid or something. Imagine you have some sort of a Natural Disaster, no power. Wifes having a shower goes into labour, need to get to Hospital, battery dead from running the house from the car and no way to charge it.

FFFFUUUUU.

I'll stick with my Diesel.

Sesshoumaru

keithclancy wrote: »

I would suspect that using the Charge and Discharge cycles of the extremely expensive battery pack would cost you more in the long run.

More of an emergency thing really and the City Dwellers would rarely have power cuts anyway.

Good idea, but imo better suited to a Hybrid or something. Imagine you have some sort of a Natural Disaster, no power. Wifes having a shower goes into labour, need to get to Hospital, battery dead from running the house from the car and no way to charge it.

FFFFUUUUU.

I'll stick with my Diesel.

I hadn't forgotten about the number of cycles on the battery. I would still go for this charger if it only cost a little more than a current home charger costs. Also battery technology is improving at phenomenal rate, much larger capacity batteries with little or no damage from charging and discharging are only a few years away.

It takes a few years to go from R&D to production, so the Nissan Leaf battery is already old technology. What companies are working on now will be far more advanced when they're released in a few years.

and in fairness... if your wife was heavily pregnant you wouldn't be using up your battery power so wastefully. I'd always make sure I had enough to get to the hospital. If you didn't use it all to power your house in a power cut, then you'd be no worse off than any of your neighbour's.

PADRAIC.M

Yeah Toyota already pushed this out last month for the Prius, a tank of fuel will power your house in Japan for 2 days, and now Nissan followed suit, If you google it people have been powering houses since 2007 with the Prius but now Toyota have pushed out the genuine equipment to get this done!

Sesshoumaru

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Balls I cant find the link but the number I saw for a US house was 42kwh.

The BYD say their new EV the e6 in US spec will come with a 60kwh battery pack. That's a big battery

EL_Loco

was watching top gear last night and they were saying that if you empty the battery completely it shortens the life of the battery, the ideal situation is to be about halfway down on the charge and then recharging.

replacement packs were 7,000 sterling. I think the leaf itself was in the mid to upper twenty thousands to buy in the first place.

Battery life would be 5 to 10 years if you treated it well.

So plug all that into your equations for saving money, and see if you still are

Not bad in a pinch but if I wanted to stock up on cheap electricity at night I'd buy a battery pack minus the car sitting around it.

keithclancy

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

and in fairness... if your wife was heavily pregnant you wouldn't be using up your battery power so wastefully. I'd always make sure I had enough to get to the hospital. If you didn't use it all to power your house in a power cut, then you'd be no worse off than any of your neighbour's.

Nah .. wouldn't risk it.

Would have a Diesel Generator if there was a need, far far cheaper and fit for purpose.

Rather than have an uber expensive electric car plugged into the house and not any real way of monitoring how far it will go after powering the house.

Good idea but I wouldn't rely on it.

unkel

Car powers house? I can do that already and it cost me only €19.99 and I don't own an electric vehicle either



As long as no one puts on the kettle or runs the washing machine that is

Sesshoumaru

keithclancy wrote: »

Nah .. wouldn't risk it.

Would have a Diesel Generator if there was a need, far far cheaper and fit for purpose.

Rather than have an uber expensive electric car plugged into the house and not any real way of monitoring how far it will go after powering the house.

Good idea but I wouldn't rely on it.

A diesel generator is cheaper, but you can't put your family in a diesel generator and drive them to the shops?

No one is suggesting you buy a Nissan Leaf instead of buying a diesel generator. But since you need a home charger installed anyway if you do buy one, if it was the same price or only a little more, why not have a home charger that also allows your home to be powered from the car?

Also you can monitor your car from your smartphone, checking range and battery level:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.aqsmartphone.android.nissan

You can also log on to the website



Frankly I'd be amazed this product once released didn't come with the option to stop powering your house once a certain minimum battery level is reached (User configurable). In the article it also says the display shows battery power level:

The system uses a 200V single-phase three wire system and the operation display panel shows battery power, output voltage and output current, as well as allowing for switching the electricity charge between supplies.

That's in addition to already being able to check via a simple app on your phone or through a website or by looking at the external battery light indicators on the car

Joe 90

keithclancy wrote: »

Nah .. wouldn't risk it.

Would have a Diesel Generator if there was a need, far far cheaper and fit for purpose.

Rather than have an uber expensive electric car plugged into the house and not any real way of monitoring how far it will go after powering the house.

Good idea but I wouldn't rely on it.

What probably would make sense is a diesel generator where you use the waste heat from the genny to heat the house.

keithclancy

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

A diesel generator is cheaper, but you can't put your family in a diesel generator and drive them to the shops?

No one is suggesting you buy a Nissan Leaf instead of buying a diesel generator. But since you need a home charger installed anyway if you do buy one, if it was the same price or only a little more, why not have a home charger that also allows your home to be powered from the car?

Also you can monitor your car from your smartphone, checking range and battery level:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.aqsmartphone.android.nissan

You can also log on to the website



Frankly I'd be amazed this product once released didn't come with the option to stop powering your house once a certain minimum battery level is reached (User configurable). In the article it also says the display shows battery power level:



That's in addition to already being able to check via a simple app on your phone or through a website or by looking at the external battery light indicators on the car

Nah,

I'd have the Diesel Generator for the house and a Diesel car, stock up on a few hundred litres of fuel and i'm laughing.

Both would be cheaper second hand than an Electric, plus I could travel up to 300km radius at least to get supplys whereas you'd be stuck to a 50km radius in your Electric thing although you'd be using that range to power your house.

If there was some sort of Natural Disaster the last thing i'd be doing is relying on a phone app and electric car, good ol diesel and gas are the way to go.

Don't think the Leaf would take very well to fitting Mad Max style armour on the outside of it either

Joe 90 wrote: »

What probably would make sense is a diesel generator where you use the waste heat from the genny to heat the house.

Just go out and chop down a few trees for firewood.

Sesshoumaru

keithclancy wrote: »

Nah,

I'd have the Diesel Generator for the house and a Diesel car, stock up on a few hundred litres of fuel and i'm laughing.

Both would be cheaper second hand than an Electric, plus I could travel up to 300km radius at least to get supplys whereas you'd be stuck to a 50km radius in your Electric thing although you'd be using that range to power your house.

If there was some sort of Natural Disaster the last thing i'd be doing is relying on a phone app and electric car, good ol diesel and gas are the way to go.

Don't think the Leaf would take very well to fitting Mad Max style armour on the outside of it either



Just go out and chop down a few trees for firewood.

You're planning for a Mad Max style nuclear apocalypse, whereas I'm planning for a Zombie apocalypse! Noise attracts the zombies don't you know diesel generator would attract zombies form miles around!

keithclancy

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

You're planning for a Mad Max style nuclear apocalypse, whereas I'm planning for a Zombie apocalypse! Noise attracts the zombies don't you know diesel generator would attract zombies form miles around!

I'll remember that while i'm running the zombies over in my Armored Hi-lux while your screaming at the low battery indicator in your leaf :D:D:D

conzy

Your in the wrong forum.. Zombie Survival

Sesshoumaru

keithclancy wrote: »

I'll remember that while i'm running the zombies over in my Armored Hi-lux while your screaming at the low battery indicator in your leaf :D:D:D

Ironically in a post apocalypse world I think the Leaf would be better. Assuming you invested in a nice solar array on your roof that is. A supply of diesel at the start is great. But eventually it will run out and diesel also has a shelf life, I don't think you're going to be able to store it in conditions that allow it be useful after one year.

However even if the Leaf only has an average range of 160km, I could keep charging it from a solar array on my roof.

That was slightly off topic of course

keithclancy

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Ironically in a post apocalypse world I think the Leaf would be better. Assuming you invested in a nice solar array on your roof that is. A supply of diesel at the start is great. But eventually it will run out and diesel also has a shelf life, I don't think you're going to be able to store it in conditions that allow it be useful after one year.

However even if the Leaf only has an average range of 160km, I could keep charging it from a solar array on my roof.

That was slightly off topic of course

I've never seen a movie where the hero gets into his Solar Charged electric car and goes scavenging.

The Hippies always get killed by zombies first.

The bad ass in his massive diesel guzzling jeep always saves the day !!