the new park on site of kilbarry dump

Master and commander

Hey,

does anyone know whats the story with the new park thats supposed to be opening behind the Kingfisher club in kilbarry on the tramore road. Is it goin to open or what. There was an article on it in the Waterford today a while back about it opening and that work was almost complete. The work finished ages ago and now the gates are locked and the entrance on the road is barricaded with site fencing.

So soes anyone know whats the story here, if ist gonna open or is there some sort of problem.
I don't like the idea of parents bringing kids to play in a former dump cos there could be anything mixed into the soil - broken glass, needles, chemicals, asbestos. I mean that dump was there long before there were any regulations or environmental protection. It was a lake years ago and the corpo just started dumping stuff in it.

MitchKoobski

Should be open already, not sure why its still closed. Wish they'd hurry up and get the lights at kingfisher feckin working though.

Takes a bit of understanding of how landfills are turned into parks tbh.
You're not gonna have all that stuff mixed in with soil, do you really think they would open a park like that?

tbayers

Do you really think they will leave needles etc in the soil. Of all the money they spent, id say 80% of it went towards cleaning the whole area. Stuff degrades too and there are millions of ways to clean the soil.

dayshah

Maybe the work is done, but they just need to allow the grass and plants to grow a bit, before they let people in?

MitchKoobski

I'd say they're just waiting for the plants and stuff to grow and look a bit better.

Ms MEL

It was supposed to open around now but it's been delayed until next year, around Spring I think, to allow plants etc to grow. They missed the growing season this year.

jbwan

As long as it's there, that's the main thing. It's nice to see an illegal dump site turned into an urban getaway. Can't wait to see it when it's open. There was great promise about purpose-built facilities for runners, etc.

dayshah

jbwan wrote: »

As long as it's there, that's the main thing. It's nice to see an illegal dump site turned into an urban getaway. Can't wait to see it when it's open. There was great promise about purpose-built facilities for runners, etc.

I thought it was going to be more about nature, with frog ponds and stuff.

I'd imagine a 'wild' park would be far easier to maintain than something like the peoples park.

Also, I mentioned before, I would like a park somewhere with fruit trees, so people can pick them in Autumn.

jbwan

dayshah wrote: »

I thought it was going to be more about nature, with frog ponds and stuff.

I'd imagine a 'wild' park would be far easier to maintain than something like the peoples park.

Also, I mentioned before, I would like a park somewhere with fruit trees, so people can pick them in Autumn.

Perhaps I had heard wrong? I understand that it will be more about the wildlife in terms of the landscaping but I thought that I had heard it would include proper tarmac running surfaces and warm-up areas combined with other facilities? As I said, I may be wrong. It would be a pity if it didn't have them TBH considering it would serve a large populous who have no recreation area at that side of the city.

wellboytoo

dayshah wrote: »

Also, I mentioned before, I would like a park somewhere with fruit trees, so people can pick them in Autumn.

And World peace!!!

anplaya

Situated to the south of the city and adjacent to Kilbarry Bog which is a proposed Natural Heritage Area the landfill covers an area of approximately 20 hectares. The site is large enough to provide a 2.4 kilometre network of running paths, exercise stations, play areas, wildflower meadows, woodland planting schemes etc. The park will have an ecological focus and provide an aesthetically pleasing and stimulating park environment for the city. Much of the work will take place over the coming months to ensure the park is complete in the autumn.

thats from an extract of whats going to be there apparently from the city council.theyd want to look after it better than they look after the walkway is all i can say.i know theyve cleared it up a bit but its still a disgrace from when we we kids.its no use tarmacing it and putting gravel down if youre gonna leave it all grow overgrown again and just cut the grass on the side once every 3 months or so

jbwan

anplaya wrote: »

Situated to the south of the city and adjacent to Kilbarry Bog which is a proposed Natural Heritage Area the landfill covers an area of approximately 20 hectares. The site is large enough to provide a 2.4 kilometre network of running paths, exercise stations, play areas, wildflower meadows, woodland planting schemes etc. The park will have an ecological focus and provide an aesthetically pleasing and stimulating park environment for the city. Much of the work will take place over the coming months to ensure the park is complete in the autumn.

thats from an extract of whats going to be there apparently from the city council.theyd want to look after it better than they look after the walkway is all i can say.i know theyve cleared it up a bit but its still a disgrace from when we we kids.its no use tarmacing it and putting gravel down if youre gonna leave it all grow overgrown again and just cut the grass on the side once every 3 months or so

Cheers for digging that up. Sounds similar to what I heard once too. Fingers crossed.

Psychedelic

http://www.waterfordcity.ie/documents/notices/KilbrarryBogPlan.pdf

chelloveks

Sure they couldnt put frogs in there as the Irish Society for the Protection of Frogs would have a lawsuit for forcing frogs into a dangerous old landfill.....but everyone is welcome to bring their young children in! There's no extra charge for the third eye that may grow into their skulls either!

You can't tell me that an illegal landfill has been completely cleaned up! Go waaaay

kensutz

The aerial views of the park that I took just show the soil. There's no growth there yet.

dayshah

chelloveks wrote: »

Sure they couldnt put frogs in there as the Irish Society for the Protection of Frogs would have a lawsuit for forcing frogs into a dangerous old landfill.....but everyone is welcome to bring their young children in!

If you don't think its safe don't go there. It will mean more room for me and my frog buddies.

Master and commander

I thought it was going to be more about nature, with frog ponds and stuff

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i'd like to see the wildlife there with all that toxic god knows what buried in the soil. Frogs with multiple heads and three eyed fish swimming in ponds of foul smelling lechate.

I'd imagine a 'wild' park would be far easier to maintain than something like the peoples park.

This is a good one, its just the perfect excuse for the council to not bother trimming the plants and cutting the grass. Ooooh its a "Wild park". Pleeeeaze. Lazy excuse from a lazy council.

Also, I mentioned before, I would like a park somewhere with fruit trees, so people can pick them in Autumn

Bad idea TBH - what if someone got food poisoned by it or if a child eat a poisonous berry by mistake, who would end up being liable for damages. The council could end up getting sued becasue of it. NOT a good idea.
The shops and all would not agree to it anyway . Bad for business. They would whip up all kinds of stories about health and safety and such,

Anyway do you really want to be eating fruit grown on soil thats been having toxic who knows what being flung into it for the past 40 odd years, i'll pass thank you very much.

kensutz

Master and commander wrote: »

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Anyway do you really want to be eating fruit grown on soil thats been having toxic who knows what being flung into it for the past 40 odd years, i'll pass thank you very much.

Did you read the bit that you quoted him on? He said somewhere, not specifically the new park.:rolleyes:

Master and commander

kensutz wrote: »

Did you read the bit that you quoted him on? He said somewhere, not specifically the new park.:rolleyes:

yeah but i assumed he was implying that the park would be a suitable somewhere.

Kxiii

Master and commander wrote: »

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i'd like to see the wildlife there with all that toxic god knows what buried in the soil. Frogs with multiple heads and three eyed fish swimming in ponds of foul smelling lechate.

There are plenty of examples of former dumps being successfully turned into parks and nature reserves and no sign of three eyed fish anywhere. Chill out man there's no need to be so negative about it

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MitchKoobski

Master I think you're just jumping to huge toxic wasteland conclusions now. Three eye fish? Poisoned fruit and trees?

chelloveks

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Master I think you're just jumping to huge toxic wasteland conclusions now. Three eye fish? Poisoned fruit and trees?

Yes...it's true...I saw it on the Simpsons...mr Burns was behind it all!

mr556073

I actually work in landscaping and was up their the other day looking around by the looks of it theirs nothing done up their plenty of top-soil up their but its not even level or anything looks like at least another 2 or 3 months before that might even be close....... im not a be-grudger or anything i cant wait to see it myself im just saying is all !!

Media999

Any updates on this? Is there recent photos?

Typhoon.

management plan here

looking forward to this opening too

nutzzz123

I had a quick sneak in one weekend not so long ago and I have to say Im impressed with the park. There is a 2km loop around the park and its marked every 100metres with various exercise thingys every so often and seats. In the centre of the 2km loop ( the big hill/mound ) are steps and a ramp for buggies/wheelchairs up to the top of the hill. It opens out with a view of the city with places to sit etc. When the growth is in full bloom I think it will be lovely. Its nice for a stroll or a run or even a picnic with kids. There is no lighting whether thats a bad thing or a good thing im not sure. All in all its an impressive park. Hopefully it stays that way.

Nypd

nutzzz123 wrote: »

I had a quick sneak in one weekend not so long ago and I have to say Im impressed with the park. There is a 2km loop around the park and its marked every 100metres with various exercise thingys every so often and seats. In the centre of the 2km loop ( the big hill/mound ) are steps and a ramp for buggies/wheelchairs up to the top of the hill. It opens out with a view of the city with places to sit etc. When the growth is in full bloom I think it will be lovely. Its nice for a stroll or a run or even a picnic with kids. There is no lighting whether thats a bad thing or a good thing im not sure. All in all its an impressive park. Hopefully it stays that way.

I had a convo with someone working for the wcc ( wasn't city manager or anything do don't quote me)
Something to do with it being an Eco park prevented lighting from going in there!

Media999

Playground?

spankmemunkey

Ah a park on a 40 year old dump, lovely!

Sure throw a bit of topsoil on it it'll be grand. :rolleyes::eek::eek::eek:

Have to say i agree with the first poster,

I can just see it now a smoke filled meeting room top shirt buttons open sweat pouring, what are we gonna do with this dump,

I know stick a few trees on it and a track and we'll call it a park,
Dont be stupid the people wont fall for that, they'll fall for what we tell them to fall for, just tell them theres been a report done its clean and tidy and 40 years later after all that dumping its fine!

What did they do spend a couple of hundred thousand on it and now voila its fine?

Sure its fine, theres nothing wrong with it.:rolleyes:

nutzzz123

Media999 wrote: »

Playground?

im afraid not

Professey Chin

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Ah a park on a 40 year old dump, lovely!

Sure throw a bit of topsoil on it it'll be grand. :rolleyes::eek::eek::eek:

Have to say i agree with the first poster,

I can just see it now a smoke filled meeting room top shirt buttons open sweat pouring, what are we gonna do with this dump,

I know stick a few trees on it and a track and we'll call it a park,
Dont be stupid the people wont fall for that, they'll fall for what we tell them to fall for, just tell them theres been a report done its clean and tidy and 40 years later after all that dumping its fine!

What did they do spend a couple of hundred thousand on it and now voila its fine?

Sure its fine, theres nothing wrong with it.:rolleyes:

You do realise its pretty common for landfills to be used like this when theyre full?
Of course dont let that interrupt some talking through the rectum

eeloe

The turning of an eye-sore in to something that's nice to look at, and has some practical use(the running track/loop) and a place for young folk to hang out when the weathers good?

That's bad in some people's eyes?

Silverado

eeloe wrote: »

The turning of an eye-sore in to something that's nice to look at, and has some practical use(the running track/loop) and a place for young folk to hang out when the weathers good?

That's bad in some people's eyes?

... and some of the people commenting here have the right to vote!

O Riain

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Ah a park on a 40 year old dump, lovely!

Sure throw a bit of topsoil on it it'll be grand. :rolleyes::eek::eek::eek:

Have to say i agree with the first poster,

I can just see it now a smoke filled meeting room top shirt buttons open sweat pouring, what are we gonna do with this dump,

I know stick a few trees on it and a track and we'll call it a park,
Dont be stupid the people wont fall for that, they'll fall for what we tell them to fall for, just tell them theres been a report done its clean and tidy and 40 years later after all that dumping its fine!

What did they do spend a couple of hundred thousand on it and now voila its fine?

Sure its fine, theres nothing wrong with it.:rolleyes:

The money wasnt just spent on it being a park, it was spent on making it safe to locals and the environment, removing an eye-sore and eliminating any chance of a smell.

south

Derby's pride park stadium was built on a dump. Opened in 1997 and has 20000 + people in it every other week and not a problem with it.

Finnbar01

Master and commander wrote: »

yeah but i assumed he was implying that the park would be a suitable somewhere.

AFAIK, the soil has been treated and all toxic stuff removed.

Three eyed fish? You watch too much of the Simpson's mate.

spankmemunkey

Theres lots of things done well in other countries, this is ireland one of the most corrupt country's in the world,

Im glad you trust that theyve done a good job!

Enjoy and breath in the lovely fresh air!

Typhoon.

I think the dump has been fully lined (by FLI or someone)... sure arent the gases that are captured being piped into the kingfisher and burned off as part of their heating system?

wmpdd3

am, what about rodents?

beazee

wmpdd3 wrote: »

am, what about rodents?

...are captured being piped into the kingfisher and burned off as part of their heating system?

Typhoon.

they're called Gym rats

spankmemunkey

You people are so trusting, look at all the sh't jobs that were done in dublin and other counties on housing estates when people were trusted and checked by inspectors and paperwork signed off on but the places were still closed down because they were done wrong and they were signed off on, it wasnt one mistake it was a catalogue of mistakes.

that apartment block in dublin that was closed by the council was signed off on by the council when it was opened but the same council closed down the estate because it was a fire hazard not to mention all the other problems.

Im glad to see you are all so trust worthy after years and years of corruption and work not being done properly,

longshanks

You're a dope if you really believe this is a bad thing. Would you have preferred the area to remain as an unused land fill?

Months were spent clearing away materials, more months were spent treating and lining the area. Methane gas is drained from there. A couple of years have been spent planting and cultivating the land. The eco aspect of it is a European standard so your paranoia about councils is ridiculous.

But sure don't let facts get in the way of an idiotic rant.

wellboytoo

The renovation of the old dump is like the Parsons egg, its good in parts, it could not have been the ideal job as it was not built in cells originally, they lined the dump fully on top only, are collecting the methane gas alright, but I believe they are flaring it off not burning it in a generating plant which is unfortunate.it its the best compromise for a dump that was not planned or any planning put into for its future use, hopefully that mindset or lack of it is gone from the WCC, as regards the statement that all the toxins have been taken out, that is wrong, it had just between capped the leachate is collected and treated, .
Spankdamunkeye should really get his facts right before he engages his fingers.

beazee

spankmemunkey wrote: »

You people are so trusting, look at all the sh't jobs that were done in dublin and other counties on housing estates

It's not just another housing estate job. It's a job done on behalf of WCC and strictly regulated by EPA.

Only to mention WCC were prosecuted in 2006 in relation to Kilbarry:
http://www.epa.ie/whatwedo/enforce/prosecute/2006/name,14068,en.html

WCC is required to prepare annual environmental reports on Kilbarry Site to EPA! Have a look yourself - 336pp. 2010 report under the link below:
http://www.epa.ie/licences/lic_eDMS/090151b2803e61b3.pdf

Extract:
The landfill is currently closed to the public and remediation has taken place between 2005 and 2009 which included the installation of the final cap over the area of the waste body and installation of a gas abstraction system consisting of 82no. wells and a 500m3 permanent, enclosed gas flarestack. A surface water management system was installed in 2010. (...)

The site was in operation in the region of 40 years. The total volume of waste deposited to date is estimated to be 1,094,513m3.
The last area of landfilling was located in a lined cell constructed in 2002/2003 located at the northern end of the landfill. The site closed on 26th August 2005.(...)

An Environmental Liability Risk Assessment (ELRA) was performed by Golders Associates early in 2009 on behalf of Waterford City Council for the Kilbarry site. This is included in Appendix IX. (...)

Monitoring of the composition of leachate is undertaken on a quarterly basis, with analysis of a wider range of parameters on an annual basis. In addition leachate levels are also taken on a weekly basis. Appendix 1 contains a record of the leachate levels and the monitoring results.(...)

Odour monitoring carried out on the 9th March 2010 shows results with a maximum value of 67 ou/m3 (odour units per cubic metre).There was no distinct odour from any of the samples. (...) As can be seen from these results odour is not a major problem at the site and this would be attributed to the fact that the site is closed and no longer operational. (...)

landfill gas flare monitoring is required on an annual basis for particulates, organics, hydrogen chloride and hydrogen fluoride. The monitoring events occurred on 09.03.10 and 15.11.10. The two monitoring reports are included in Appendix IV. Both reports conclude that all emissions are within limits specified by section G.3 of the waste licence and the flare is achieving a methane destruction efficiency of greater than 99%. (...)

A contract is in place with Rentokil Ireland. A programme of baiting can be employed as required to control rat infestations with preventative baiting at regular intervals to ensure that large populations do not become established. Since closure of the landfill vermin has not been a significant issue on site (..)

mike65

How the gas has been dealt with by F.L.I. Environmental

http://www.fli.ie/downloads/Landfill%20Gas%20Collection.pdf