Airsoft gear reliability

McGilla

Hi All,

It's the age old issue of reliability.

I love airsoft, but I find the unreliability of gear especially AEG's is pushing me closer and closer to just packing it in.:(

It's just issue after issue, and I notice i'm not the only one. - Its heart breaking!

While Skirmishing on Sunday I noticed a huge amount of AEG's giving trouble, with batterys packing after 10 minutes, gear box locking, I also saw the stock fall off a brand new gun for no reason.

Ive noticed, its not really a case of you get what you pay for, the high end stuff (to me) seems as likely to break as sports line stuff.
- This young guy had just spent €700 for an aeg that only fired every second BB.

What I was looking to get is advice on reliability.

If you keep it short and vote for you're most reliable AEG brands, I will then buy a brand new AEG, based on the common census of the boards community.

Example Reply:

Classic Army Sports-line M4
-€200 New
-2 years skirmishing
-no issues


- Also keep it polite - i dont want to start a online brawl.
-Also Im not looking for hear say - if you didnt own it, I don want to know!:P

Thanks in advance

Robbie

TNTQ

• Airsoft guns are toys, in a lot of cases plastic toys.
• Grown men run around the place running/jumping over/into inanimate objects/each other.
• These toys break
• Real Steel guns also break (well maybe not the AK :rolleyes:)
• You can spend E1300 on a systema ptw
• It will also probably break

Sorry for not posting in the perscribed way but I'm percluded from doing so

ronan keane

SRC M4
-€135 Used
-1 years skirmishing
-Gives me an issue every second day....But Dear God I Adore It

Thehandviolent

Tokyo Marui Mp7
-e350
-Misfed a couple of times but nothing too bad
-Excellent range for only 250 fps
-Looks the fo shizzle.
-Only bad point id say is the battery doesent last too long.

TheDoc

I think what you have to realise is that airsoft guns are expensive, and whilst someone might have got a good run out of a poor brand, they rarely accept they have a ****ty brand based on the investment they have made.

Unless there has been a severe change in AEG's in the last 1-2 years, I think everyone knows the **** brands and everyone knows the reliable ones.

I picked up a G&G Plastica there early in the year, been through some long milsims, skirmishes and a trip to Sennybridge and not a problem with it. Rate of fire is a bit low but nothing some changes wouldnt solve.

But its pickup and play, no issues what so ever.

As said above every gun is gonig to give you issues at some stage, but I'm kinda like yourself I wanted an M4 and I wanted something reliable, in that bracket, and for price, I'd say G&G is probably your best bet. G&P are pretty decent aswell, granted I'd nightmares with my M16 at first, its rock solid now and I know a few boys have invested in them and being impressed.

I know personally I just wont go near a few brands like Classic Army or sRC, but you hear of a few guys with success stories, but I spent too long hearing about the muck that came with them too

KonFusion

TheDoc wrote: »

I picked up a G&G Plastica there early in the year, been through some long milsims, skirmishes and a trip to Sennybridge and not a problem with it. Rate of fire is a bit low but nothing some changes wouldnt solve.

But its pickup and play, no issues what so ever.

I've a plastica myself. Skirmished about 50-70 times. Never had a problem with it. Not a single one, which is really crazy since I do zero maintenance on it.
My dad has one as-well, skirmished about 100 times. All he's had to do with his is replace the original motor which broke. Apart from that it's still all stock and no problems.
Dad also has a JG G36C thats about 3-4 years old, still stock and still going good.

I've also a G&G raider. About a year old. Skirmished maybe 15-20 times. No problems.

McGilla

TheDoc wrote: »

I think what you have to realise is that airsoft guns are expensive, and whilst someone might have got a good run out of a poor brand, they rarely accept they have a ****ty brand based on the investment they have made.

Unless there has been a severe change in AEG's in the last 1-2 years, I think everyone knows the **** brands and everyone knows the reliable ones.

I picked up a G&G Plastica there early in the year, been through some long milsims, skirmishes and a trip to Sennybridge and not a problem with it. Rate of fire is a bit low but nothing some changes wouldnt solve.

But its pickup and play, no issues what so ever.

As said above every gun is gonig to give you issues at some stage, but I'm kinda like yourself I wanted an M4 and I wanted something reliable, in that bracket, and for price, I'd say G&G is probably your best bet. G&P are pretty decent aswell, granted I'd nightmares with my M16 at first, its rock solid now and I know a few boys have invested in them and being impressed.

I know personally I just wont go near a few brands like Classic Army or sRC, but you hear of a few guys with success stories, but I spent too long hearing about the muck that came with them too

Cheers Doc,
Is there a brand you would recommend above all others?

TheDoc

McGilla wrote: »

Cheers Doc,
Is there a brand you would recommend above all others?

Probably G&G...I sold enough back in the day and remember maybe one coming back with a problem that was due to dodgy BB's if I remember correctly, unbelievable really when you consider the amount of other brands would come back with issues every now and again

Arkslippy

Tm m4
Second hand 120 .
Skirmished 20 times in 4 months
No issues

Dboys Pdw,
Skirmished 20 times, bought second hand, no issues.

Custom m4 from qas, skirmished 4 times, bought for 2 million euro, stripped gearbox (fixed immediately excellent customer service) no other issues.

Must just be me.

cobra 08

G&G Raider. Best out there if you like your money. Have one well over a year and skirmished plenty. Even a weekend in Senny. Never had any issues with it. Cheaper than my G&G scar and I've had issues with that.

Stercus Accidit

The only AEG I never have to f*ck with is my kalash (dboys) aks74. Its seen lots of use and never had a hicup, the internals are all bearing this that and the other. It is just good internally and is built like a tank externally so there isn't any thing that can go wrong with it. The hop up has worn down from over use, that's it.

MerryDespot

G&G LR300 (once belonged to Decoy, now mine!)
Rock solid. Had it for 18 months now - used every other weekend - zero issues.
Recently put it up for sale here for some mad reason - got sense and took it down. After a weekend that say a G&P M4 and Magpul Masada both pack it in, I'm glad that I held onto the G&G.

Second Doc's post too - the G&G plastica M4s are solid aegs. Actually - I've had very few problems with G&G gear....

Leftyflip

**Individual Opinion**

VFC - I've seen very few VFC guns die a death. JG - rock solid reliable performers andd G&G Raiders - one of the best I've seen in that price bracket...

thermo

cyma ak 47, plastic body
£100
320,000 rds approx without missing a beat
no issues
its now retired but still around.

also a big +1 on VFC guns being awesome, i currently own 2.

PEP_C

Systema m4 . 7 years old. 3 breakdowns, 2 due to bad bb's. 1 due to gravity.

Classic Army mp5a2. 3 years old and it still works. I lost the selector switch, but it never stopped firing. Only issue I have had with it is that the springs in the high caps break too easily. mid caps are legend though.

classic army m15 carbine. 4 years old and works everytime.

bullets

Any of the guns I've skirmished with I've had problems with.
It seems like every time I skirmish something breaks despite me trying to be careful.
(Latest casualty being my sa-58 1000rnd mag which broke by an accidental drop which was a replacement mag for
one that broke a few weeks before)

My Girlfriends Gunfire M4 stubby some how seems to have escaped my bad luck and despite every time we skirmish and see something of mine go wrong,
her's magically seems to fire perfectly without any issue.
From what I'm told Gunfire are a re-brander and take other guns (Jing Gongs?)
and upgrade them, and WOW!!!! what a superb job they do. Wireing/Mosfets/cylinders etc all working perfectly.

One gun I keep going back to when skirmishing is my G&G F2000/G2010
it gave me problems at the start with misfires and an occasional lock up but
now its totally awesome. With totally stock parts and a 9.6v battery this thing rocks, its quite, has a nice rate of fire, the range is nice.

~B

jeawan

Couldn't agree More G&G raider brilliant AEG never any trouble they are just solid guns

Firekitten

I think it partly depends on player attiude, and ability.

Anyone can buy a stock TM gun, and have it run for centuries without even thinking about breaking.
With the current 'upgrade for the sake of it' fetish sweeping Irish Airsoft, I can't help but wonder if inexperienced people, are fiddling, and perhaps getting things wrong, leading to thier lack of reliability.

A lot of factors can contribute to problems.

Bb brand - some are jus crap, some dont work with tightbores, learn your types, for your gun and setup.

Weather - bio bbs can swell in humid or damn conditions causing jams.

upgrade ability - chances are, if you're not that good at it, you might make a mistake.

stupid batteries - yes, if you run a 1 gazillion volt 2 gigafool mah battery in your m4 stubby, of course its going to be unreliable. What did you expect?

As for me...

Ares Tar-21 - running for three years, no worries. (Gearbox totally stock, didnt see need to upgrade it, but its got a madbull barrel and hop setup)

Kalash AK - thee years also... nailldriver that wont die. version 3 gearbox

TM p226 - 4 years old, perfect, reliable, favourite sidearm.
Maruzen ppk.... 3 years, still great.


The rest dont really count, as Ive done so much work to them, they dont really count as that brand anymore.

Airsoft reliability is what you make of it.
Airsofters provide an excelent idiotproofing test for manufacturers... if it survives airsofters, its a winner.

dinko4gr

G&G GR15 Raider-L
260 Euro New
Over 6 months old, skirmished very frequently
-no issues!

so far i ve only upgraded the barrel to get better groupings.

as FK already mention most failures are due to people messing with the internals without having the experience to do so. even the barrel change i had done over at QAS.

As for an analogy think of AEGs as cars. No matter how good or expensive or both a car is it will eventually break down. If you dont do proper gear changes, driving it like an Eastern European Cab Driver, dont use manufacturer approved replacement parts its natural that it will break down faster and it will be even more expensive to repair. Do the maintenance, treat it with respect and it ll grow old with you. Btw G&G is the equivalent of VW

Firekitten

dinko4gr wrote: »

Btw G&G is the equivalent of VW

More like Skoda.

Used to be crap, and a byword for aweful, now going through a period of being made by someone else, and enjoying some sucess.

joe stodge

C.A. sportsline m4 2 years old. still going. its in retirement now.

g&g raider 1 year old. 2 break downs 1 stripped gear and worn trigger contacts.

cyma m14 1 year old. no problems at all

kwa glock 18c 2 years old. 1 break down broken bb loader on the air nozzle.

9 kings arms mids biggest pile of sh1te ive ever bought constant feeding problems.

Firekitten

See I love ka mids... use them in my xm16, no worries... g&p mids... heh no.

Private Snafu

My own G&P metal mids have been solid as a rock for near 2 years, not one has given issue

As far as reliability goes, not much of my kit remains stock long enough to tell .
The real stand out piece though would have to be the HFC Desert Eagle, one of my first guns and it hasn't even needed a valve replaced yet .

McGilla

I'm surprised to hear such good feedback for G&G.
As a noob I was always told Platic guns arent worth S**t!!!
I always presumed G&G were rubbish due to the there Nylon body.

I'm glad to hear it, as they are a well priced aeg.

McGilla

bullets wrote: »

From what I'm told Gunfire are a re-brander and take other guns (Jing Gongs?)
and upgrade them, and WOW!!!! what a superb job they do. Wireing/Mosfets/cylinders etc all working perfectly.

~B

Any ideas where I can pick up a Gunfire AEG in Ireland?

Cheers,
Robbie

ronan keane

McGilla wrote: »

Any ideas where I can pick up a Gunfire AEG in Ireland?

Cheers,
Robbie

seairsoft.net

shane_rafferty

bought a ca xm177e2 for 110 euro worked perfect , rof was grand ,range not the best still well worth the money. not sure ca even make them anymore ?

bought a g&g raider long version. really happy with it :P only one fault some times it sticks on full auto or semi might do a burst fire but i don't really mind it to much

Firekitten

McGilla wrote: »

I'm surprised to hear such good feedback for G&G.
As a noob I was always told Platic guns arent worth S**t!!!
I always presumed G&G were rubbish due to the there Nylon body.

I'm glad to hear it, as they are a well priced aeg.

Not all g&g guns are plastic, infact, a tiny part of thier product line is plastic... Most are metal, or other materials as apropriate.


Whoever told you plastic guns are crap, is an idiot.


p90... mostly plastic
g36... plastic entirely pretty much
UMP... mostly plastic...

The list could go on, but a lot of real firearms are externally plastic/ nylon.

however, 'plastic' and nylon arent exactly the same thing.

MerryDespot

To right.
Saw a scar last weekend where the exterior was entirely plastic. Not polymer, or nylon or some other dull/non-gloss finish material - shiny tan plastic. All of it - even the parts that should have been metal!

Horrid.

Lemming

MerryDespot wrote: »

tan.
Horrid.

Fixed that there for you MD. The only two words you needed to use

ronan keane

I agree With FK (Not To My liking)
My S-Thunder Pistol M203 Is All Plastic And been through alot of knocks and Falls Not even a Scratch

Firekitten

ronan keane wrote: »

I agree With FK (Not To My liking)
My S-Thunder Pistol M203 Is All Plastic And been through alot of knocks and Falls Not even a Scratch

Why is agreeing with me not to your liking?



Anyway, the s thunder plastic grenade pistol isnt really comparable to an aeg body... if one was made of the same material id say it was borderline.

Blazer

quickly grabs coke + popcorn

ronan keane

Firekitten wrote: »

Why is agreeing with me not to your liking?

Because Debating Something With You Is More Fun!

Firekitten

You contrary madam

Leftyflip

Firekitten wrote: »

Why is agreeing with me not to your liking?

Honestly cos most people enjoy the arguements heated debates that result, no really...

Firekitten

people suck.

Leftyflip

They do - really, I hate people, just like emo alpaca here!

T4RGET

I will definitely +1 what Firekitten said about inexperienced players acting 'techie' etc.

I find cleaning and preparing your AEG's for their lives of being fired pretty important.
Clean the barrel the very first time you get it, tighten all the screws and check fro anything else which may need to be done, then regular cleans keep it up to check. Getting a cleaning service once a year to remove dirt/grime build up is probably a good idea too, other than that they are mechanical devices and will break down from time to time. as for my list

-Dboys SCAR= first gun, now gone to new home. it being my first gun it was my learning curve and did break, dry firing caused the gear box to crack,a dn the stock broke, but that was due to the way in which it is built
-JLS F2000= great AEG when it worked, new home now too, mechanically perfect front outer barrel snapped due to pit metel
-G&G Raider=starting to see a pattern here with these Radiers are ya :P had small gearbox issue but got sorted not a single problem since. the 'plastic' on this is nylon/fibre, migth sound like G&G tryong to glorify plastic a bit but there is a difference and definitely is stronger and more durable, most real steel guns that are 'plastic' are nylon/fibrre or a polymer
-KJW M9 Co2= not a single prob what so ever.