Driving in a bus lane

Swampy

Hi

Does anyone know if there are penalty points for driving in a bus lane. As far as I can tell there is not.

Many thanks,

S.

OldmanMondeo

I think it is 2 and a €60 fine. I am sure I will be corrected or confirmed soon enough.

Random

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Chart.pdf

maybe they can get you with one of these?
- Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs
- Failure to comply with traffic lane markings

or something else on the list?

Swampy

Garda on said a €40 fine. Never mentioned penalty points. Happened in Blanchardstown Shopping Centre of all places.

Esel

I thought it was €80 fine and null points.

listermint

OSI wrote: »

Could that not be deemed private property and out of the Garda's jurisdiction? I'm sure if it involved them doing any actual work they would have pulled the civil matter card.

No they are public roads, its a public bus lane.

OP ive found that guards consistently fail to mention penalty points unless you actually direct the question at them. It seems par of the course for them.

vincenzolorenzo

AFAIK its one penalty point. Friend of mine got done going to work last year. Don't know if he was fined, but definitely 1 point on his license

listermint

Yeah i think it is 1 alright, was trying to remember. I got one about 6 years ago.

Absurdum

Swampy wrote: »

Garda on said a €40 fine. Never mentioned penalty points. Happened in Blanchardstown Shopping Centre of all places.

on Google Maps, there doesn't appear to be a time on the sign for when the bus lane is in operation. I recall people got off fines/points over this before, could be worth looking into?

RangeR

Absurdum wrote: »

on Google Maps, there doesn't appear to be a time on the sign for when the bus lane is in operation. I recall people got off fines/points over this before, could be worth looking into?

Does that not just mean 24 hour bus lane. Assume you can NEVER drive in it. What were you doing in the bus lane anyway, OP?

Absurdum

RangeR wrote: »

Does that not just mean 24 hour bus lane. Assume you can NEVER drive in it. What were you doing in the bus lane anyway, OP?

they should be like this if they are 24/7

Where there is a bus lane, you will see an upright blue and white sign on the side of the road on a pole and on the roadway there will be markings of a continuous white line and the words "Lána Bus". You must obey the road marking and the sign. The white plate shows when the section of road is meant only for the buses shown. Normally bus lanes operate from 7am to 7pm or during peak hours. Outside these times, all traffic may use them. You should check the information plate to confirm the time limits that apply.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/traffic-signs-road-markings/buses.html

Swampy

I was thinking the same as a 24 hours bus lane normally says 24 hour. Plus it was a bank holiday monday.

This is how it happened..

I was coming into the centre (entrance by the drive thru Mc Donalds) for the Dual Carriage slip road. So there is the roundabout in front of me, Straight for coolmine, right for hartstown and left into the centre. I took the filter lane left and as a result had to merge with traffic coming from my right from the roundabout. There is an arrow asking you to merge or else you get stuck in the bus lane, I was slightly in the bus lane waiting for my gap to merge, keeping the flow. The garda was waiting just around the bend, standing there catching people. I was barely in it, indicating into the right lane but he waves me down.

Absurdum

sounds like he was being a ****, no times are indicated on streetview. As far as I remember, people got off for driving in the bus lane on Ongar Road when it opened first because they didn't have any times indicated on the bus lane signs (they have them now though). I'd definitely look into an appeal, the bus lane around the corner is 07-19 mon-sat so that one may well be that time too.

MugMugs

I've been done twice.

Eighty quid fine and nil points.

the_syco

Swampy wrote: »

Plus it was a bank holiday monday.

Bank holiday Monday equals Sunday times, and as the previous sign said

Absurdum wrote: »

I'd definitely look into an appeal, the bus lane around the corner is 07-19 mon-sat so that one may well be that time too.

I'd also appeal as the bus lane was not sign posted to be in effect 24/7, and thus it wouldn't be a bus lane on a Sunday (or on a bank holiday)...

monument

A few points...

Like with many other things, getting points is up to the garda who stops you -- if s/he knows their stuff or not, or indeed if they are bother or inclined or not to hand the points out.

There's bus lanes signs and, in some places, also bus only entry roads and streets.

With any non-contraflow bus lane the bus lane must follow the propper design which includes a bus and *bicycle* on the sign. From what I can make out, including talking to lawyers, legal opinion elsewhere, and contact with councils and others, if the propper design of sign is not used, legally there is no bus lane.

It would be up to you to argue this in court and many district court judges may not even listen. I'd be happy to help and provide evidence that there is no legal backing for the incorrect signs and that all three Dublin councils were informed of this.

the_syco

Ring Dublin Bus, and see when the bus corridor in question is a bus corridor.

monument

the_syco wrote: »

Ring Dublin Bus, and see when the bus corridor in question is a bus corridor.

Dublin Bus only use the roads, the councils and the QBN office (now part of the NTA) are the ones on charge of them.

monument

the_syco wrote: »

Ring Dublin Bus, and see when the bus corridor in question is a bus corridor.

Dublin Bus only use the roads, the councils and the QBN office (now part of the NTA) are the ones on charge of them.

And some of them are very slow to admit they have done or designed something wrong.

Esel

Esel wrote: »

I thought it was €80 fine and null points.

MugMugs wrote: »

I've been done twice.

Eighty quid fine and nil points.

Thank you for validating my memory.