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BBC/Sky Formula 1 deal and Setanta

  • 31-07-2011 1:04pm
    #1
    trekster
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    As some of you may know BBC and Sky have come to a deal regarding Formula 1 for next season where BBC will show 10 Races Live and Sky Sports will show everything.

    My question is dies anyone know how this will affect Setanta Ireland's Irish rights Package? Even if it doesn't affect us I can't imagine Setanta being able to show Sky's commentary like they currently do with the BBC since they're such big competitors.


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  • #2
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Setanta have F1 rights for 2 more years.

    Commentry will more than likely be the world feed.

    BBC & Sky will have the same commentators.

    Im not sure but Setanta might block Sky F1's coverage for Irish viewers so you have to watch it on Setanta.

    Its all about contracts and you wont know until next year.


  • #3
    amacachi
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    It better not be blocked here or there'll be slaps.


  • #4
    trekster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭trekster


    How could Setanta block it though. I doubt they'd have that much pull with UPC would they.


  • #5
    Minstrel27
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    trekster wrote: »
    I can't imagine Setanta being able to show Sky's commentary like they currently do with the BBC since they're such big competitors.

    Setanta aren't close to being a competitor with Sky Sports


  • #6
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    All Setanta have to do is ask Sky and they would have to do it!


    By the sounds of it people would rather pay for Sky sports than setanta...


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  • #7
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    afatbollix wrote: »
    By the sounds of it people would rather pay for Sky sports than setanta...

    Who could blame them.


  • #8
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Setanta could state that the hold the Irish pay TV rights and Sky should block Sky's coverage of the sport for their Irish Subscribers.

    Setanta are perfectly entitled to protect their revenues.


  • #9
    kiddums
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    Are you telling me that inorder to watch the F1 I'll have to fork out for sky(at least, possibaly setanta too)?

    Will there be non-live showings on BBC? And not the crappy highlights shows.


  • #10
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    kiddums wrote: »
    Are you telling me that inorder to watch the F1 I'll have to fork out for sky(at least, possibaly setanta too)?

    RTL is another option that is available. It is free too.


  • #11
    kiddums
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭kiddums


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    RTL is another option that is available. It is free too.
    Forgive my ignorance, but RTL?


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  • #12
    Minstrel27
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    German channel that shows F1 for free. It works well with BBC Radio 5 Live for English commentary.


  • #13
    Elmo
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    kiddums wrote: »
    Are you telling me that inorder to watch the F1 I'll have to fork out for sky(at least, possibaly setanta too)?

    Will there be non-live showings on BBC? And not the crappy highlights shows.

    BBC do have live rights, I think Sky have exclusive rights to qualifiers unless you are able to pick up RTL or Setanta Ireland. Setanta have exclusive Irish rights which is as helpful as having exclusive rights to the All Ireland Dodgeball Championships.

    Setenta means 70 in Spanish perhaps they should rebrand as the "Ocho".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jVa25gmWs


  • #14
    amacachi
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    What's this about Setanta having "pull" with Sky or UPC? If they have the exclusive Irish rights then Sky won't be allowed show any F1 in Ireland, simple as that.


  • #15
    Elmo
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    amacachi wrote: »
    What's this about Setanta having "pull" with Sky or UPC? If they have the exclusive Irish rights then Sky won't be allowed show any F1 in Ireland, simple as that.

    If this was the case bbc coverage on the epgs of both sky and upc would be removed. It is unlikely that sky will not sell there f1 coverage to irish subscribers.


  • #16
    amacachi
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    Elmo wrote: »
    If this was the case bbc coverage on the epgs of both sky and upc would be removed. It is unlikely that sky will not sell there f1 coverage to irish subscribers.

    As an example there's times on Channel 4 (the one I've noticed most) when films aren't shown on Sky here because, one assumes, an Irish channel has the rights to it. Similarly there's some stuff (think it's Europa Cup football) that won't be shown on ESPN here because Setanta have the rights to it.


  • #17
    Elmo
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    prehaps but not always the case e.g. bbc coverage of ..... f1


  • #18
    amacachi
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    Elmo wrote: »
    prehaps but not always the case e.g. bbc coverage of ..... f1

    As far as I know BBC and RTE are covered by some "open airwaves" agreement or suchlike, whereby their programmes can't be blocked. Depending on the details of the contract Setanta may be well within their rights to make Sky block the F1 on their channel in Ireland.


  • #19
    Minstrel27
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    amacachi wrote: »
    As an example there's times on Channel 4 (the one I've noticed most) when films aren't shown on Sky here because, one assumes, an Irish channel has the rights to it.

    There are two different versions of Channel 4. There is the encrypted version used by Sky for Irish customers and then there is the FTA version also used on Sky but for UK viewers. This is how some programmes are blocked for Irish viewers but all Sky boxes can still tune in the FTA version to other channels and view C4 uncensored.

    No such arrangement exists for the BBC channels. Anything blocked on satellite because of Setanta would also be blocked for BBC viewers in Northern Ireland, it's never gonna happen


  • #20
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    amacachi wrote: »
    As far as I know BBC and RTE are covered by some "open airwaves" agreement or suchlike, whereby their programmes can't be blocked. Depending on the details of the contract Setanta may be well within their rights to make Sky block the F1 on their channel in Ireland.

    TV Without Frontiers now AVWF states that no EU state may prevent another EU state's broadcasters broadcasting into neighbour states e.g. Sky, BBC, Channel 4 and even RTÉ cannot be prevent broadcasting into other EU states. HOWEVER rights issues will prevent channels broadcasting into other states, hence TV channels licensed in bigger states will always end up broadcasting into smaller states for these reasons.

    Note for many years Sky was licenced and broadcast from Netherlands, to avoid UK regulation.

    TV3 and Kanal 5 Sweden broadcast from the UK to avoid Swedish children's advertising rules, Swedish content requirements and Swedish advertising rules in relation to movies.

    This is why Rick Hetherington former CEO of TV3 said that they didn't need Terrestrial broadcasts and could move over to the UK to avoid Irish content requirements, the loss of viewers would be minimal.

    Perhaps the MOU signed recently by Irish and British governments protects BBC but it should also protect UTV and Channel 4 (A semi-state company).


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