Motor Tax - how do we compare with other countries? (we are getting screwed?)

worded

If I read correct Czech car tax is around 100 euros P.A. I might have been looking at an old document.

Anyone got any up to date figures for around the world?

I pay 580 PA - its BS.

Collibosher

I believe the rates in Spain vary as they're set by the local municipal authority.

My father was paying €50 per year for a Mitsubishi L200 a couple of years ago :rolleyes:

unkel

€1,566 per year when you are only doing a couple of thousand miles is feeling like you are being buggered alright.

100,000 miles per year in your sh1tbox 1l Micra or in your flagship cancer causing BMW 520d and you only have to pay a bit over €100

The retard greens never understood "the polluter pays" principle...

VolvoMan

With motor tax rates we are getting screwed full stop. There is no comparison to be made and nothing else to be said.

Dave_Kilkenny

If your going to compare actually compare cost of living, average income per annum and disposable income.

Ardennes1944

I don't like motor tax. That is all.







Motor tax for some, road tax for others.

savagecabbages

Who was originally responsible for the cc based rip-off that existed for years & years??? Used we ever have a fair motor tax system in Ireland?
I'm guessing that it was just an old system that may have worked fine but was never updated and increased with our inflation rates every year...

People are fast to blame the Greens, but had the current system been in place when my car was constructed, I'd be paying less tax!

Mc Love

The motor tax in the UK is ridiculously cheap!

Lex Luthor

unkel wrote: »

100,000 miles per year in your sh1tbox 1l Micra

Anyone that could stand doing that much a year in a micra should be given a medal;) but i know where you're coming from

Both our systems are unfair as is the insurance system of paying more for larger cc cars

worded

Dave_Kilkenny wrote: »

If your going to compare actually compare cost of living, average income per annum and disposable income.

I was thinking the same. So lets have a look at Europe.

ive just checked with two Czech drivers here. Insurance and tax are combined.

It depends on age / where you drive etc. But wait for this.

Insurance + tax combined quotes here. For two males both under 30. One is driving only one year!

One is paying 80 euro PA the other 130 PA. Unreal.
Imagine having to pay 130 PA to keep your car legally on the road. Or even double it. I could live a little.

Czech wages are maybe 50 – 70% what we get paid.

pajo1981

Mc Love wrote: »

The motor tax in the UK is ridiculously cheap!

Yes, but there fuel has always been considerably more taxed than ours.

I think this all boils down to how you feel about climate change theories.

The greens wanted us all to drive low CO2 emission cars, and you can't accused them of having failed on that.

Break all ties

Bulgaria

1996 VW Polo 1.0L

National road tax 34 euro a year (fixed for all cars regardless of size)
Local road tax 5 euro per year (depends on year, engine size)

Insurance 130 euro per year, anyone who has a licence can drive no age limits.

pajo1981

Break all ties wrote: »

Bulgaria

1996 VW Polo 1.0L

National road tax 34 euro a year (fixed for all cars regardless of size)
Local road tax 5 euro per year (depends on year, engine size)

Insurance 130 euro per year, anyone who has a licence can drive no age limits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_u5vVWXSw8

Builderfromhell

Wife has an Opel Corsa which she may drive for a short run once a week.
She still pays the same tax as if she were driving all week.
Similarly someone may drive on smooth well surfaced roads and pay the same tax as someone who drives on pot holed roads every day.

Add the tax to the fuel and eliminate road tax altogether. Then you can close motor tax offices. The more you drive, use fuel, the more tax you would pay. A pensioner who only drives to the supermarket would pay less than someone who drives a 100 miles a day.

mandrake04

Here is my chariot

2011 3.6L V6




$607 or €463

That's the cost for business use, if it was private it would be about $150 cheaper.

lau1247

as much as i hate paying them despite the poor return regarding the condition of the road around the country..

the way I see it, if they don't tax you this way, the government will find another way to tax you..

All we can hope is that those robbing bastard tax less as we complain more.. doesn't seem to work so far..

Paparazzo

I was talking to a dutch guy about it last week. He reckons its similar to Ireland, the engine size way

Our man in Havana

You need to go the new EU states to get the cheaper tax rates. Bulgaria is the cheapest EU state for tax by a long way.

worded

lau1247 wrote: »

as much as i hate paying them despite the poor return regarding the condition of the road around the country..

the way I see it, if they don't tax you this way, the government will find another way to tax you..

All we can hope is that those robbing bastard tax less as we complain more.. doesn't seem to work so far..

Bit of a defeatest attitude. Once you step in a car here you are rode.
Motorists are a cash cow for the govt.

slimjimmc

Ignore

Lex Luthor

If you tax the fuel then you'd have taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. Giving out...cant please everyone

I Was VB

Yeah bastards, im paying €82 per year to tax a 2.0 diesel.







:pac:

worded

I Was VB wrote: »

Yeah bastards, im paying €82 per year to tax a 2.0 diesel.








:pac:

€82 per year, Where do you live?

daenerysstormborn3

€76 pa for my bike

bijapos

worded wrote: »

€82 per year, Where do you live?

Ballygoaskemebollix according to his profile.


What people are forgetting is that almost every country pays property taxes which means their motor/road tax rates can be a lot lower than here.

I agree that motor tax should be scrapped and added to the cost of fuel but I guess no politician has the balls to do this.

IMO the Greens were right to introduce a tax based on emissions, the principle was good, the execution was flawed. The old system of cc was totally outdated. Some people complained because suddenly their neighbours have a bigger car with lower tax but thats life. The actual way they introduced it was flawed but seeing that many countries are now taxing cars based on emissions and seeing that car manufacturers are striving to reduce emissions it only made sense.

For the record the French pay no motor tax, there is a supplement on diesel and petrol, but most people pay well over €1000 in property tax p.a. A large house can easily hit €3-4000. Go figure.

Germany is more complicated. they are changing their tax system for all cars registered after 01/07/09. It is a mixture out of cc and CO2.

For a petrol it is €2 per 100cc or part thereof and €2 for every g/km over 120g/km.

For a diesel its €9.50 for every 100cc or part thereof and €2 for every g/km over 120g/km.

The tables change every few years, so car manufacturers are forced to improve their emissions constantly.

For cars registered before 04/11/08 use the old system but after 01/01/13 all cars will have to use the new system.

Cars are tested every 2 years on emissions and it is on this basis that your tax for the following years will be estimated, and if a car does not reach a certain level of clean emissions they can be barred from entering town and city centres. (Try bringing that in here).

Agricola

It would make sense to spread the load across other forms of tax, property being the obvious one. Despite the fact it wouldnt make much difference in real terms, I think Id be happier paying something towards a house tax if it meant that as a car enthusiast, I wasnt getting completely ass raped with regard to every aspect of owning a car.

daRobot

worded wrote: »

€82 per year, Where do you live?

In a Taxi rank, mostly :pac:

I Was VB

worded wrote: »

€82 per year, Where do you live?

Dublin.

Absurdum

don't forget the levy on your insurance too, 3% iirc

lau1247

worded wrote: »

Bit of a defeatest attitude.

While yes, it is a bit of a defeatest attitude.. you can't tell me what I said is not true either.. uncle 'paddy' will twist our nipple until it's raw and bleeding one way or another

Heroditas

Lex Luthor wrote: »

If you tax the fuel then you'd have taxi drivers, truck drivers etc. Giving out...cant please everyone

You mean they don't complain already? :pac:

bijapos wrote: »

What people are forgetting is that almost every country pays property taxes which means their motor/road tax rates can be a lot lower than here.

Come 2012, we're going to be paying both.

I can't wait for the various politicians and economists to continue the "but as a country, we pay far less tax than our European neighbours" bull :rolleyes:

Lemming

Mc Love wrote: »

The motor tax in the UK is ridiculously cheap!

I pay £30 a year for a 2008 Focus 1.6L TDCi in the UK.

keithclancy

2005 Volvo V50 2.0D

1246 Euro / year here in the Netherlands.

Get what you pay for though, the roads here are fantastic, way better than the Germans

Lemming wrote: »

I pay £30 a year for a 2008 Focus 1.6L TDCi in the UK.

You pay Council Rates though

Lemming

keithclancy wrote: »

You pay Council Rates though

This is true ... but council rates are based on the value of your property (owned or rented) with bandings. The council taxes are used directly for services for the area. I get periodic (or annual, can't remember which) from the local borough council outlining the taxes raised and where they've been allocated (police, fire, etc). So as annoying as council rates are; they ARE used for your area and not just a means for the government to lift more cash to snort up their noses or spend on the horseys.

keithclancy

Lemming wrote: »

This is true ... but council rates are based on the value of your property (owned or rented) with bandings. The council taxes are used directly for services for the area. I get periodic (or annual, can't remember which) from the local borough council outlining the taxes raised and where they've been allocated (police, fire, etc). So as annoying as council rates are; they ARE used for your area and not just a means for the government to lift more cash to snort up their noses or spend on the horseys.

Same here, we also pay Council Tax in the Netherlands based on the W.O.Z value of your property (what the council see its worth as)

Although you Motor Tax here is split up into National and Local Motor Tax. i.e. its around 100 euros more / year in the Randstad than here in the South.

Works out around the same wherever you live imo, you get around the same for what you pay.

CiniO

Poland

Motor tax is to be paid only for trucks and buses.
Rates are between 150 - 700 euro per annum depending on vehicle gross weight and type.

Passenger cars, vans, motorcycles, etc (everything with GVW less 3.5 tonnes) are exempt from motor tax.

Until 1997 there was a motortax for cars and vans as well paid to local authorities, but it was abandoned. Since then 10% of money that goverment makes on fuel levy, is given to local authorities for maintaining roads (as a compensation for motor tax).


Generally every car owner has to pay obligatory third party insurance (between 70 - 400 euro) depending on engine size, years NCB, place where car is registered, owner age, etc.
Additionally car has to go throurgh a test every year. Cost - 25 euro. No prebookings needed like for NCT. You can hop on to any diagnostics station any time during opening hours.

Bullseye1

But are we not living in a low tax economy

bladebrew

i think the new tax rates are getting people to buy new cars,
like for example my dad, he has a 07 1.6 petrol avensis (130k km), but wants an 11 reg diesel and keeps saying the tax is cheap (156 p.a?)

the new avensis cost just under €30k in 2007 and he was offered €12k for it recently, the new diesel was around €26k, so he would have a difference of €14k to make up, im open to correction on this but i believe the saving on tax would be around 300-400 per year,
so for the low tax to have any benefit he would have to drive the car for years and i know he wont do that,
sorry for my rough calculations and ignoring certain factors but its bloody madness!