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Kicked out of Vaals

  • 29-07-2011 10:01pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭


    Even EU nationals can be refused under Dutch town's standalone migrant policy

    Right-wing sympathies and recession have led a small town to fly in the face of overall EU ethos, writes PETER CLUSKEY in Vaals

    THE HEATED debate over immigration in the Netherlands took a new turn last night when the small town of Vaals in the southeast decided to refuse right of residence to EU nationals without a job or enough assets to support themselves.

    The new regulation, which will come into effect in September, has been sparked by the fact that, of the 300 people living on social welfare in this town of 10,000 inhabitants, 40 per cent are EU nationals, according to statistics from the town council.

    Vaals is in the province of Limburg, on the borders of Germany and Belgium, and ironically just 23km from where the Maastricht Treaty was signed in February 1992, leading to a single currency and paving the way for EU enlargement.

    However, Limburg province was also the scene of the largest single victory for right-wing politician Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party (PVV) in the 2010 general election. This catapulted the PVV into third place nationally, ahead of the Labour Party for the first time.

    It was an extraordinary result. Having polled just 10 per cent of the Limburg province votes in 2006, the PVV more than doubled its following, taking 26.9 per cent of the vote and becoming the single largest party in many electoral districts.

    It was a major regional embarrassment for the Christian Democrats (CDA), who had traditionally been supported by the province’s predominantly Catholic population – and who had now been relegated to fourth place.

    “Coming after the global economic downturn and the collapse of the banks, there was a lot of disaffection with the mainstream parties in the run-up to the 2010 election,” recalls political scientist Prof Paul Nieuwenburg of Leiden University. “Many people were angry. Almost everyone was affected to some degree or other. There were a lot of protest voters. Traditional allegiances had broken down. That’s one reason why Wilders was so successful, without much warning,” he told The Irish Times.

    The root cause in Limburg was – as ever – the economy. Once a flourishing coal mining area, its industrial activity has declined. Limburg now has the worst rate of joblessness in an otherwise prosperous country which has both the lowest unemployment and the lowest youth unemployment in the euro zone.

    As a result, Limburg feels neglected – and unemployed foreigners, irrespective of nationality, are not welcome in Vaals.

    For local alderman, Jean-Paul Kompier, the local statistics tell a story he believes is both economically and socially untenable: nine out of every 100 people who arrive in Vaals planning to settle there permanently apply immediately for social welfare benefits and have no other means of support.

    That, he says, is proportionately higher even than in Rotterdam – power base of the late Pim Fortuyn, the anti-immigration campaigner assassinated during the 2002 election – which is regarded as an immigration hotspot. Kompier made specific mention of Polish and Romanian immigrants, whom he maintained tended to have greater difficulty finding jobs because of their typically limited knowledge of the Dutch language.

    And he said that, because Vaals was now spending some €400,000 a year on social welfare payments it could ill-afford, the town council had decided to use a little-known EU guideline to allow it to deny residency even to EU nationals who could not support themselves financially.

    While this is a decision which may make financial sense to Vaals town council, internal EU immigration is an issue already causing serious political tensions between the Dutch and Polish governments, particularly since Warsaw took over the EU presidency on July 1st.

    Dutch officials now admit they seriously underestimated the number of Poles who would migrate to Holland following the accession of the former Eastern bloc states in 2004. They originally said about 15,000 – but latest estimates put the real number at some 13 times that.

    Minister for social affairs and employment Henk Kamp recently recommended expelling EU migrants coming from newer member states who have been unemployed for more than three months – and cutting benefits for those who failed a Dutch test.

    At the European Parliament in Strasbourg, Polish prime minister Donald Tusk rejected that, saying, “We cannot protect our community by creating more barriers inside the community.”

    But Tusk’s view was ridiculed by Barry Madlener, an MEP for Geert Wilders’s PVV: “He doesn’t seem to realise what is going on. We don’t want jobless Poles, Romanian beggars and people from North Africa or Turkey in Europe . . .”

    So while the unedifying point-scoring continues, the town council of Vaals was left yesterday to make its own decision. And it did – in a political vacuum which many analysts argue plays only to the strengths of the right wing.

    We used to be a tolerant country, but not anymore,” says 37-year-old Krijn Polder, wiping down a restaurant table in Vaals town centre. “It makes me ashamed. But still, someone has to decide.”

    TL;DR only those with enough income/resources to support themselves are allowed live in Vaals, Holland. Even if you're an EU native they can now kick you out.

    All this was made possible by some obscure EU regulation AFAIK.

    Vaals is a smaller town the the one I live in for example and has way less unemployment or immigration. Could this be the future??


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭joshrogan


    It seems pretty reasonable, why should a small town support a freeloader from any country?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    We don’t want jobless Poles, ....in Europe . . .

    Im pretty sure Poland was in Europe last time I was there :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    We don’t want jobless Poles, Romanian beggars and people from North Africa or Turkey in Europe

    So the Irish are sorted then? "they are shoow charming"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,399 ✭✭✭sonic85


    joshrogan wrote: »
    It seems pretty reasonable, why should a small country support a freeloader from any country?

    doctored your post slightly there. someone bring this thread to endas attention ASAP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    whereas Limerick only allows IN people with no jobs or assets to support themselves


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Not great on Dutch history. Wouldn't think of the place as nationalistic. Is this a sign that people are being pushed too far generally?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Funny this.
    I am Dutch, read Dutch newspapers on line practically every single day.
    Visit a few Dutch websites on a daily basis who without any doubt would have jumped all over this.
    Yest, it is here on baords.ie that i read about this first.

    From when was this article?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It's tricky really.

    I can certainly see where they are coming from, after all it's a common system in many countries.

    For example, I have no issue with people coming to Ireland, as long as they work, learn to speak English and so forth.
    But then I expect the same from the Irish that go abroad as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    But then I expect the same from the Irish that go abroad as well.

    Learning to speak English :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    inforfun wrote: »
    Funny this.
    I am Dutch, read Dutch newspapers on line practically every single day.
    Visit a few Dutch websites on a daily basis who without any doubt would have jumped all over this.
    Yest, it is here on baords.ie that i read about this first.

    From when was this article?

    Typed Vaals into google and pressed 'news'. Second story down, todays Irish Times


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,862 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    Well...What do you know.
    Did manage to find it in a Dutch newspaper.
    Was a small item at telegraaf.nl. 2 days ago.
    It is mentioned there that Vaals is planning to do so come september.

    It is also mentioned that Vaals isnt the fist one planning to do so
    A Belgian city/village named Plombières is already doing this.

    And really, being from the EU and working in Ireland myself i would have no problem to be sent out from here, say 3 or 6 months after losing my job.

    I also see no problem to only allow people in a country who bring a minumum amount of money to survive 6 months while trying to find a job or when they already have found a job prior moving countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    If they get away with it, i can see it happening in a helluva lot of places. But honestly, i can't see it happening. A case to the EU Court would have the decision overturned overnight, breach of human rights or some other crap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Hang on, so this town has 10,000 inhabitants - and has just 120 non-Danish EU nationals - 1.2% - living on social welfare in the town?

    Sorry, what's the problem with them exactly? Does this seriously strike the natives as a particularly large figure? What about the other 60% of social welfare recipients, where are they from and what legal order will apply to them?

    Those silly people should be glad of their 3% unemployment rate tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I wonder how many others clicked this expecting a snotty opening post about an altercation in some chintzy Dublin night club...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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