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Official Portugese/British investigation verdict On Madeleine McCann

  • 29-07-2011 8:22pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭


    Official Portugese/British investigation verdict On Madeleine McCann

    A year long Portugese investigation, the biggest in Portugals history, with the assistance of expert British Crime Investigators, including specialist sniffer dogs .

    Why would anyone believe the McCanns fabricated version of events over the concluding findings of a year long comprehensive international Police investigation? I know that she has a no 1 bestselling book out at the moment gustering support for their tale ..


    Below is a statement from the chief inspector of the Madeleine McCann case and the conclusion of the entire investigation. He was confronted in court , when team McCann took a lawsuit against a book written by one of its leading investigators.




    Wednesday January 13,2010

    Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court that he believed the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance – a theory he said was shared by Portuguese and British officers working on the case.


    He said: “The conclusion that was arrived at was that Madeleine McCann died at the apartment and the McCann couple simulated the abduction to hide the fact that they had not taken care of their children.

    “There was a tragic accident in the apartment that night and they neglected the care of their children. It was the conclusion of both Portuguese and British police. We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death. There was no homicide.”



    Asked if he thought Madeleine was dead, Mr de Almeida replied: “Yes. She is dead. It was not only the police who believed this but the public prosecutor. The McCanns did not kill her but they concealed the body.”

    Mr de Almeida was giving evidence on behalf of his former colleague Goncalo Amaral who is seeking to overturn a ban on the book he wrote about the Madeleine case entitled Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.



    The detective described the book as a “true history of the facts”. He said: “Goncalo Amaral was very careful to come to this conclusion with the facts.”

    Luis Neves, the head of Portugal’s anti-terrorism unit, told the court they had employed a British profiler who gave him the impression that the McCanns were guilty of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
    Mr de Almeida said their suspicions about the couple appeared to be confirmed when sniffer dogs found traces of blood and the smell of death at the McCanns’ holiday apartment.
    One of the dogs was in a nervous, excitable state and wanted to get into the room, said Mr de Almeida.

    He said: “Inside the apartment there were two places where the dogs gave a sign. One was in the bedroom, the other was in the dining room.
    “It was also found in the McCanns’ new apartment on a piece of clothing and in the rental car.”

    Asked if it was the dog’s reaction that led police to make the McCanns formal suspects in the investigation, he said: “No, they were already suspected of simulating a kidnapping and concealing the body.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...nt-court-hears



    Here are the actual police files ending report signed by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida on 10th September 2007 , translated into English


    Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation




    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm





    Summarized further with illustrations

    http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t21...da-illustrated







    The Media wave the McCanns are riding at the moment would have you believe that Madeleine is a live and well in India. It is still be reported as fact today all over the world!

    It is tragic story, but the conclusion of a very comprehensive, thorough Police investigation ended 4 years ago.



    Here is my question / poll

    Whose version of events do you think are more credible? 27 votes

    The Portugese and British Police investigation
    0% 0 votes
    Gerry and Kate McCann
    100% 27 votes


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭numbnutz


    It is interesting to see that their conclusions are what a lot of people have been thinking.It seems also that you cannot put into publication the Portuguese police's conclusion from what we have seen with the bans on Amarals book and just this week Pat Brownes book which was pulled(banned) from Amazon.
    Had this have been two council estate dolees they'd have had their remaining two kids taken off them. Team McCann just seem too cool when being interviewed about the whole thing and if you put everything aside that we know or we think we know, correct or not, it still doesn't sit right.It reminds me of the Late Late where Joe O'Reilly and Rachels mother were on about the murder...it looks the same to me.The Gaspar statements haven't seen the light of day in the media because the content would be so damaging to the McCanns. Hopefully the truth will out in the end and it might be a little more sinister than we expect.
    http://gasparstatements.blogspot.com/2010/03/article-that-team-mccann-didnt-want-you.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Stella89


    I'm not sure how anyone would describe the McCanns more credible than the police investigation ?

    The McCanns failed to cooperate with the police e.g ( by ignoring their direction to not publish photographs of Madeleine with her unusual eye characteristics, Kate McCann refusing to answers 48 police questions , Refusing to coperate in a police reconstruction) and also their week by week contradictory and changing versions of what exactly they did that night .


    I think I first became suspicious when Kate washed Madeleines favourite toy, ( the one Kate was pictured with for months , often pictured lovingly smelling it , never seen without it ) . When The police take an interest in the toy 3 months laters, she decides it suddenly needs a good wash .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,491 ✭✭✭badabing106


    numbnutz wrote: »
    It is interesting to see that their conclusions are what a lot of people have been thinking.It seems also that you cannot put into publication the Portuguese police's conclusion from what we have seen with the bans on Amarals book and just this week Pat Brownes book which was pulled(banned) from Amazon.
    Had this have been two council estate dolees they'd have had their remaining two kids taken off them. l

    I absolutely agree with you! Team McCann is a sophisticated Media/Legal/Political/Publicity Machine. I doubt your average couple could go around putting together £1 million lawsuits. Just as well the "Madeleine fund" is a private limited company . This means they can use this money any way they want., including hiring big name lawyers to protect their brand name.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMak73HMQ5Y/Tej-KOH0SXI/AAAAAAAAAMA/ocfgyNyCl9o/s1600/comp.jpg

    The ban of "the truth of the lie " was actually only temporary and was overturned a couple of months later. THe McCanns failed in their lawsuit against this book. THey were not able to get a publisher in the Uk /Ireland however , just shows you how afraid people are of getting on the wrong side of the McCanns, but you can read it here for free below

    http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/

    Kate McCann is now a No 1 best selling author in Uk / Ireland .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Mistyeyes321


    Well i'm not sorry to say I personally wouldn't buy either book I don't think this is a straight forward case of one side telling the truth & the other side lying:eek:
    Imo both are telling lies to suit their own needs, It's just a shame none of them have the decency instead of infighting with eachother to get to the Truth of what happened to a three year old child! Maybe if both sides spent more time telling the truth just maybe we might learn the truth about this Little Girl! But it's not going to happen isit?!:confused:
    Mrs Mccann might have a best selling book but she still doesn't have her child does she?! I know which one I would prefer to have!
    I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but it's quite obvious within my friends that no one believes the Mccanns anymore! Where as at onetime there was an awful lot of support for them! Now most poeple I know Groan when they hear their Name! as for the Indian sighting usual load of Hollocks churned out to the masses to try to keep people believeing this child is still alive! I believe maddie died on that Holiday to Portugal by who's hands I really don't know....:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭crazym02


    It seems obvious that Gerry and Kate McCann knows exactly what happened to poor Maddie, if only they would tell the truth, although they've no need to tell the truth because they are protected by the establishment. Why the establishment choose to protect their own kind in this type of situation I do not know.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Stella89 wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone would describe the McCanns more credible than the police investigation ?

    The McCanns failed to cooperate with the police e.g ( by ignoring their direction to not publish photographs of Madeleine with her unusual eye characteristics, Kate McCann refusing to answers 48 police questions , Refusing to coperate in a police reconstruction) and also their week by week contradictory and changing versions of what exactly they did that night .


    I think I first became suspicious when Kate washed Madeleines favourite toy, ( the one Kate was pictured with for months , often pictured lovingly smelling it , never seen without it ) . When The police take an interest in the toy 3 months laters, she decides it suddenly needs a good wash .
    There are grounds to be suspicious of the McCanns being involved in their daughters disappearance but I dont think the aspects you cite amounts to much in the way of evidence against them.

    Is their ignoring the police advice not to make public Madeleines eye characteristic suspicious?

    Well to answer this I think you need to ask what they stood to gain, if they were guilty, by so doing. And IMO, absolutely nothing. I can see a good reason why they would have ignored their advice if they were innocent, but even if I could not, it would not matter. If you say that this is indicative of their guilt, then I think you have to make the argument as to why this is the case. And I havent seen one made for this piece of "evidence"

    For example, if the McCanns had tried to dissuade the police from looking for Madeleine in a particular place and her body was subsequently found there, then that would certainly be suspicious, indeed damning evidence against them. In this scenario there would be something to be gained (i.e. the concealing of their involvement in a crime) from what might be seen as odd behaviour. But I simply do not see how ignoring police advice in relation to the eye could in any way be to their advantage in this case. Therefore IMO, it does not amount to evidence. If they knew Madeleine was already dead then why not avoid suspicion and follow the advice of the police?

    And a similar argument can be made in relation to the washing of the toy. I cannot think of any evidence that might have been on that toy that could have implicated the McCanns. To cite it as evidence, I think you must offer at least a hypothetical scenario of where they might have stood to gain from doing so.

    Is the refusal of Kate McCann, as a suspect, to answer questions (many of which were pretty mundane) suspicious? Many people think so. But the legal framework of many countries disagree and do not permit a jury to infer evidence of guilt from a suspect exercising their right to silence. The right to silence is to protect the innocent, not the guilty.

    Some will say that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. This of course would be a valid argument if no innocent people such as Linda Chamberlain or Sally Clarke (both convicted of killing their children) were ever wrongly jailed.

    And of course there is an additional facet here. The McCanns were made suspects because there was indeed some very strong evidence (dogs) against them. If they are innocent (and of course, they uniquely would know that they are) then I dont think hostility towards, and suspicion off, the PJ would be so strange. How do you think you might react if your child went missing but the police manage to produce very strong evidence that you were involved, though you knew that you were not? Would you still persist with the nothing to hide, nothing to fear line? Or would you be at least a little concerned that you might find yourself following in the footsteps of Chamberlain or Clarke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Stella89


    lugha wrote: »
    There are grounds to be suspicious of the McCanns being involved in their daughters disappearance but I dont think the aspects you cite amounts to much in the way of evidence against them.

    Is their ignoring the police advice not to make public Madeleines eye characteristic suspicious?

    Oh no, I was not citing these incidences as evidence . I was merely putting forward a few instances showcasing Why I think the The McCanns are lacking in credibilty . There are dozens more , which taken as a whole , would convince most people that they are not credible people . This a is couple who are on record as having lied, and decieved and been non co-operative with the police from the very first day !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Mistyeyes321


    Stella89 wrote: »
    Oh no, I was not citing these incidences as evidence . I was merely putting forward a few instances showcasing Why I think the The McCanns are lacking in credibilty . There are dozens more , which taken as a whole , would convince most people that they are not credible people . This a is couple who are on record as having lied, and decieved and been non co-operative with the police from the very first day !
    What I don't get is why did Gerry answer his question's & Kate refused? This is one of the thing's that just doesn't make sence...If Kate didn't answer her question's because her Solicitor advised her not to for her own protection surely Gerry's Solicitor would have told him the samething?! So why didn't both not answer the question's?! That to me is just one of many strange thing's no one seem's to be able to answer.
    IMO the Mccann's come across as very strange people Kate more so that Gerry, Kate seem's like a Cold fish & the way she speak's about her child is like she is talking about some Bus that just went by!
    Gerry on the other hand comes across as angry & arrogant, But he does still show emotion, Kate just look's like the Light's are on but no one is home!
    I don't think these parent's did kill Maddie tbh & just because they seem very strange doesn't mean they're killier's!
    In saying the above someone know's what happened to this child & it's obvious from the statement's that all the Tapas group are telling Porkies! But the question is why are they not being honest?!


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