extra dimensional beings

stone roses

a vague term ranging from beings from other universes and dimensions

demons, falling angels, ghosts, etc, etc

well i am looking at some strange and interesting facts about the items mentioned above, its really heavy stuff to get into but after the attacks last week on kids in norway and whats happening around the world its getting a bit scary id say!!

it is said, the actions which we are seenig today are not the acts of man but off demons or dimensional beings and man is the object used to drive tere evil to the pysical world were they can harm us and do as much damage as they can without us knowing!!!!!

its all tere on google and youtube, teres a good interview with a guy from area 51 talking about extra dimensional beings when he was cut off the air as he cryed down the phone warning us of pending wars and coming pain for the human race!! very interesting and worrying stuff, im outside the box on this and open to suggestions but my eyes are open to a world on the edge of desolation and i hope we all can see it for our sakes?? :-(

what do you guys think ??

Melodi

I think that extra-dimensional beings of various sorts probably (almost certainly exist) but not all of them are evil or good; but a lot of them probably are fairly neutral when it comes to human beings. By that I mean they probably have their own agendas and humans play around with them (with either good or bad intentions) at their own risk.

Some do seem to be "Guardians" (I mentioned those on the ghost thread) who really do have mankind's (or at least some individuals) best interest at heart.

A few, do seem to be truly evil; at least from a human standpoint and if there such beings involved in the situation in Norway (and I have no information on that one way or the other) they would certainly be of this type. Although you could argue some of the miracle escapes on the part of some of the young people was because a "good" "inter-dimensional being" was guarding them.

Most, I think; probably fall into something less absolute than either of these categories and as an example I give something perfectly natural: The Wind. The wind can be a gentle breeze on a hot afternoon or it can be a tornado coming to destroy your entire world and maybe even kill you. But the real issue is, The Wind itself is a totally neutral and natural force, it does what its going to do and people can stand still and enjoy it, or take cover and try to get out of the way. However, there is no evil intent, even in the tornado, its just weather that happens when a warm and cold front collide; the problems happen when people and their habitations find themselves in the path of one.

This is why I think such beings are best avoided unless one has some guidance and training (preferably by an expert) on what to expect and how to handle what you are likely to find.

The exception to this rule is an obvious Guardian like a beloved-departed grandparent who comes in your sleep to tell you that they love you, or perhaps even warn you to be careful while going to work the next day (and you narrowly miss having an accident because you are paying attention).

Anyway, that's just some of my thoughts on the subject. In reality it is very complicated subject with all sorts of "beings" with names like "shadow people," "animal spirits," "totems," "daemeons," "demons," "fae folk" etc; But if you read the old stories, even of the various European "Good Folk" you'll notice that not every human that comes in contact with them comes out the better for it. Some do, usually those who are wise and careful.

Melodi in the Midlands

Musicman2006

Whats this idea based on? Superstition? Doesn't seem to be much (or any) real science behind it.

Melodi

Musicman2006 wrote: »

Whats this idea based on? Superstition? Doesn't seem to be much (or any) real science behind it.

It doesn't come from "science" it comes from a combination of personal experience, having a degree in anthropology (with a major professor who was a world expert on Shamanic practices around the world) and a lot of extensive reading. Not to mention 25 year of being a practitioner of various sorts of mediation and meta-physical/spiritual studies, including Shamanic training.

While there have been many attempts to "scientifically" explain these beings (including the use of early photography to try to capture them on film) I don't think any have been wildly successful. There are possible glimpses, like voice recordings made in places like "haunted" houses, but those can have other explanations; as can most "para-normal" stuff if you want to always try to explain it away.

But, for quite a number of reasons; this sort of thing is very difficult to "prove" or repeat in a laboratory as is required by the modern scientific method in order to "test" something that way. That doesn't mean this will never happen; but for now, there just doesn't seem to be a really firm and scientifically acceptable way to get a handle on it.

Which doesn't mean some people don't try, Graham Hancock has done a rather valiant attempt to explain some of the more universal symbolic experiences of "other realms" that seem to occur cross-culturally in his book, Supernatural. He's hardly a main-stream scientist but he does give it a good try, showing that some of the beings and/or symbols people claim to see in trance are similar not only the world over, but perhaps even thousands of years apart.

But again, that doesn't "prove" anything, but it is still very interesting.

For now, this subject is more often experienced than explained; and I suspect it was the same 30,000 years ago as it is today.

maccored

Musicman2006 wrote: »

Whats this idea based on? Superstition? Doesn't seem to be much (or any) real science behind it.

theres quite a bit of science and scientific theory behind multidimensions.

maccored

that graham hancock book is excellent. makes one look at the whole ufo phenomenon in a completely different light.

Melodi

maccored wrote: »

theres quite a bit of science and scientific theory behind multidimensions.

Yes there is, and I have heard many interesting interviews with scientists on that one; but at this time they can only speculate about the beings who might live in them and if they can visit our own (or even "bleed over").

But I suspect that if science really ever does catch up and intertwine with "paranormal otherworldly beings," this will be the direction that it comes from.

Attempts to get regular psychics and mediums to "preform" in labs have had very mixed results (most of them negative). With the exception of exposing actual fraud and carnival tricks; not a lot has been conclusive. There can be really impressive results one day (especially for things like predicting cards before they come up) and terrible ones the next.

Even military remote viewers (who may have come the closest to really scientific PSY work), had a lot of misses along with their hits; and while many individuals have reported (or hinted) at these extra-dimensional beings being real; they were not really part of their "remit," rather just things they may have run into while trying to locate the missile base or other military target.

Really interesting subject and I'm glad others have found Mr. Hancock's book useful too.

A lot of his information would probably have been recognizable if you sat down and talked with a stone age medicine elder 30,000 years ago in Europe. Again, like ghosts; we may be dealing with certain types of universal human experience (or at least cross-cultural). Not everyone will experience these things personally but some people in almost any given society will.

That may or may not make them "true" in a scientific sense, but it does make them a valuable subject for study.

maccored

i advise everyone to watch through the wormhole with morgan freeman. its got some fascinating interviews with physicists on things like multi dimensions, gravity bleeding from another dimension, how time may have three dimensions (which might explains hauntings) etc etc. They dont make the paranormal connections on the show, but the info is there for people to think about.

Noopti

stone roses wrote: »

its all tere on google and youtube

It must be true so.

Urizen

maccored wrote: »

i advise everyone to watch through the wormhole with morgan freeman. its got some fascinating interviews with physicists on things like multi dimensions, gravity bleeding from another dimension, how time may have three dimensions (which might explains hauntings) etc etc. They dont make the paranormal connections on the show, but the info is there for people to think about.

Ah, the looks my physics lecturers used to give me when they found out that I don't think time is linear... Good times.

On the whole, you guys have said most of what can be said. But bear in mind especially that we can only see a tiny portion of light wavelengths and what is actually there. We can't see UV or infrared or beyond them. And we can't feel or hear them either. Who's to say what exists right beside us, but just 'on a different wavelength' ?

Freeman's show has the same downfall I find with all popular science programs; they repeat themselves 14 times per episode, to the point that it's irritating. That said, I still watch it... Michio Kaku's book 'Parallel Worlds' is a great read on this topic.

Also, these theories aren't new. H.P. Lovecraft's story 'From Beyond' is entirely about beings living in our own universe that we can't perceive normally, and a scientific attempt to overcome this (based upon musings of Einstein, iirc). It's also awesome. And it was written around 1920.

stone roses

Noopti wrote: »

It must be true so.

you do understand the 3th eye sees all??
we are only humans with half a brain, monkey see monkey do, beyond the understanding of human imagination we are a insect on the back of a mouse in a much wider world!!

Riamfada

stone roses wrote: »

you do understand the 3th eye sees all??
we are only humans with half a brain, monkey see monkey do, beyond the understanding of human imagination we are a insect on the back of a mouse in a much wider world!!

Those zoo references make absolutely no sense. Reading that post I feel like a poodle on the back of a half brained zebra flying through the cosmos on a sperm whale of indifference.

stone roses

Riamfada wrote: »

Those zoo references make absolutely no sense. Reading that post I feel like a poodle on the back of a half brained zebra flying through the cosmos on a sperm whale of indifference.

deadly!! :-P

its a deep subject extra dimensional beings , the mind tends to wonder!

Urizen

stone roses wrote: »

deadly!! :-P

its a deep subject extra dimensional beings , the mind tends to wonder!

*squints* Can't tell if trolling or...

Noopti

stone roses wrote: »

you do understand the 3th eye sees all??
we are only humans with half a brain, monkey see monkey do, beyond the understanding of human imagination we are a insect on the back of a mouse in a much wider world!!

....by "3th eye" you mean Google?

viadah

To pass off the inhumanity of humans onto nebulous, unknowable beings is ridiculous. The great thing about the unknown is it keeps us thinking and trying to evolve, it shouldn't be the excuse that helps people devolve or pass off heinous acts with 'the devil made me do it' mentalities. Responsibility to the responsible.

stone roses

viadah wrote: »

To pass off the inhumanity of humans onto nebulous, unknowable beings is ridiculous. The great thing about the unknown is it keeps us thinking and trying to evolve, it shouldn't be the excuse that helps people devolve or pass off heinous acts with 'the devil made me do it' mentalities. Responsibility to the responsible.

you dont know that as fact, no more than i know they are real.
all we know is the here and now. everything else it beyond our understanding i believe! because you dont see somthing , feel it , smell it , or touch it , it dosent mean its not real!! tere are plenty of elements all around us we can not tap into

viadah

stone roses wrote: »

all we know is the here and now. everything else it beyond our understanding i believe! because you dont see somthing , feel it , smell it , or touch it , it dosent mean its not real!! tere are plenty of elements all around us we can not tap into

Totally. If a being as epic as a grand creator of All Things exists, for example, our human intellects are not going to be on a par with a universe building entity's. I'd like to think I'm intelligent enough to know that i know **** all about the literally unknowable. I'm just pointing out that fallible humans have and will continue to blame ignorance and horrific deeds of their own creation on mystical forces beyond their own comprehension. Humans are capable of horrific (and compassionate) acts of their own accord.

Riamfada

viadah wrote: »

Totally. If a being as epic as a grand creator of All Things exists, for example, our human intellects are not going to be on a par with a universe building entity's. I'd like to think I'm intelligent enough to know that i know **** all about the literally unknowable. I'm just pointing out that fallible humans have and will continue to blame ignorance and horrific deeds of their own creation on mystical forces beyond their own comprehension. Humans are capable of horrific (and compassionate) acts of their own accord.

What do horrffic deeds have to do with extra dimensional beings? This thread is beyond my human comprehension but just to point out that the definition of horriffic or good deeds are entirely human in creation and to the universe there are only deeds with no emotions.

viadah

stone roses wrote: »

demons, falling angels, ghosts, etc, etc

well i am looking at some strange and interesting facts about the items mentioned above, its really heavy stuff to get into but after the attacks last week on kids in norway and whats happening around the world its getting a bit scary id say!!

it is said, the actions which we are seenig today are not the acts of man but off demons or dimensional beings and man is the object used to drive tere evil to the pysical world were they can harm us and do as much damage as they can without us knowing!!!!!

From the original post, that's where we're coming from.

viadah

And would it help that rather than saying 'that fallible humans have and will continue to blame ignorance and horrific deeds of their own creation on mystical forces beyond their own comprehension', I instead make the more earthy observation that anyone who blames, say, the devil, for their acts are either in need of psychiatric help or intelligently angling for insanity pleas, rather than communing with the Cosmos?

TippFan77

Musicman2006 wrote: »

Whats this idea based on? Superstition? Doesn't seem to be much (or any) real science behind it.

You'd be surprised. There's a lot of evidence for life beyond our world. Here's a website worth a look:

www.victorzammit.com

It never ceases to amaze me how much information is out there...but not being accessed by the general public.

stone roses

viadah wrote: »

And would it help that rather than saying 'that fallible humans have and will continue to blame ignorance and horrific deeds of their own creation on mystical forces beyond their own comprehension', I instead make the more earthy observation that anyone who blames, say, the devil, for their acts are either in need of psychiatric help or intelligently angling for insanity pleas, rather than communing with the Cosmos?

"i know what your saying" its hard to think extra dimensional beings can take over our body and mind and drive us to evil deeds, i dont know what to say but i think it can happen , there is so must evil in the world i believe its not all mans doing " satans best achivment over mankind was to get you to believe he was not reall!! if you dont believe in him how can you blame him??

viadah

Watching Zammit. I keep expecting him to offer me toffees. I wish he was my grandad. Or at least a grand-uncle. Imagine that...

johndaman66

stone roses wrote: »

it is said, the actions which we are seenig today are not the acts of man but off demons or dimensional beings and man is the object used to drive tere evil to the pysical world were they can harm us and do as much damage as they can without us knowing!!!!!

Just to pull you up on this particular point alone...terrible acts of mankind such as those of Breivik are hardly a new or recent phenomenon. In fact I would suggest that such terrible acts are as old as mankind himself. What about the Bath School bombings of 1927 for example...still pretty recent in the scheme of things perhaps but you can go way further back in time...the killings and mutilations perpetrated by the Vikings etc...or further back if you want to. I apprciate I'm not joining in on the specific debate you invited people to put forward their views on with them points though.

My own view is that at least 99% of people are inherently good people. Sometimes things happen in good peoples heads that result in them carrying out terrible acts.... Nothing so much to do with unknown forces or spirits, rather that persons misguided mindset or mentality, or how society has impacted on their life...or a combination thereoff.

Then I believe there are a very very small minority of people who are inherently bad who carry out terrible acts too...again not necessairly linked to unknown forces or spirits, but down to that persons downright inherently bad character.

Per se I'm not saying that forces beyond our immediate dimensions never have a input in these random acts of violence either...fair to say nobody knows for sure. What I am saying is such forces are too readily used to try and explain such acts of violence.

stone roses

johndaman66 wrote: »

Just to pull you up on this particular point alone...terrible acts of mankind such as those of Breivik are hardly a new or recent phenomenon. In fact I would suggest that such terrible acts are as old as mankind himself. What about the Bath School bombings of 1927 for example...still pretty recent in the scheme of things perhaps but you can go way further back in time...the killings and mutilations perpetrated by the Vikings etc...or further back if you want to. I apprciate I'm not joining in on the specific debate you invited people to put forward their views on with them points though.

My own view is that at least 99% of people are inherently good people. Sometimes things happen in good peoples heads that result in them carrying out terrible acts.... Nothing so much to do with unknown forces or spirits, rather that persons misguided mindset or mentality, or how society has impacted on their life...or a combination thereoff.

Then I believe there are a very very small minority of people who are inherently bad who carry out terrible acts too...again not necessairly linked to unknown forces or spirits, but down to that persons downright inherently bad character.

Per se I'm not saying that forces beyond our immediate dimensions never have a input in these random acts of violence either...fair to say nobody knows for sure. What I am saying is such forces are too readily used to try and explain such acts of violence.

i only picked norway because it just happened, another act of radom madness and evil in our world, yes i agree people have freewill and thats one of our granted gifts in life, the choices people make are tere own, freewill has no sin until an act of evil takes place or bad intention! but sometimes the crime is so bad it makes me wonder? you talk of the vikings well id say satan was around long befour the vikings, easy pickings!!

johndaman66

stone roses wrote: »

i only picked norway because it just happened, another act of radom madness and evil in our world, yes i agree people have freewill and thats one of our granted gifts in life, the choices people make are tere own, freewill has no sin until an act of evil takes place or bad intention! but sometimes the crime is so bad it makes me wonder? you talk of the vikings well id say satan was around long befour the vikings, easy pickings!!

Fair points stone roses, its just I was looking at your opening post and in particular and the piece from it (which I quoted in my previous post) would seem to have either suggested that rare and random acts of violence are a recent phenomenon, or else demons or extra dimensional beings only play a part in them of late (which I think if such is the case, it has probably always being the case)...Thats the way I read it and apologies if I took it up the wrong way.

You sure can go back as far as Satan though and probably fair to say its unlikely to change any time soon...

stone roses

johndaman66 wrote: »

Just to pull you up on this particular point alone...terrible acts of mankind such as those of Breivik are hardly a new or recent phenomenon. In fact I would suggest that such terrible acts are as old as mankind himself. What about the Bath School bombings of 1927 for example...still pretty recent in the scheme of things perhaps but you can go way further back in time...the killings and mutilations perpetrated by the Vikings etc...or further back if you want to. I apprciate I'm not joining in on the specific debate you invited people to put forward their views on with them points though.

My own view is that at least 99% of people are inherently good people. Sometimes things happen in good peoples heads that result in them carrying out terrible acts.... Nothing so much to do with unknown forces or spirits, rather that persons misguided mindset or mentality, or how society has impacted on their life...or a combination thereoff.

Then I believe there are a very very small minority of people who are inherently bad who carry out terrible acts too...again not necessairly linked to unknown forces or spirits, but down to that persons downright inherently bad character.

Per se I'm not saying that forces beyond our immediate dimensions never have a input in these random acts of violence either...fair to say nobody knows for sure. What I am saying is such forces are too readily used to try and explain such acts of violence.

brother the good news!! your soul is were its at, if you have peace of mind and inner contentmint then you have already won! satans deeds do not interest me or extra dimensional beings , they only make me wonder, i dont believe in mass or the way of the chruch but i believe in god and i believe in good people, im far to trusting but all in all it has never let me down yet, good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people, i think it all a test thats why the human race will never find what we are looking for! we just got to keep on trucking and enjoy every day god sends!! :-)

Dave!

This thread makes my brain hurt

stone roses

Dave! wrote: »

This thread makes my brain hurt

ya the mind tends to wonder on this stuff, its deep but very interesting i think , its not somthing you would chat about in the boozer of a saturday night anyway! :-)

viadah

I would. But I'd have to have at least six tabs of ecstasy in me and I'd make it fun.

maccored

You should read up on the membrane theory. might start making sense then.

Antikythera

TippFan77 wrote: »

You'd be surprised. There's a lot of evidence for life beyond our world. Here's a website worth a look:

www.victorzammit.com

Nah, there's no evidence whatsoever.

That website isn't worth a look.

lolo62

Hi OP I get where youre coming from because there is enough video footage out there to support what youre saying but if you want to look at it from a multidimensional perspective you could also say there are beings at work bombarding us with this information so that we continue to give our power away to 'authorities' who can offer us 'protection' and make decisions for us.....by doing this we continue to not take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, as a species, and fail to step into our power which is what is really needed to make a change in the world.
There is so much spiritual glamour out there these days that refuses to accept the negatives in reality which in my opinion is just a new form of religious fundamentalism.

stone roses

lolo62 wrote: »

Hi OP I get where youre coming from because there is enough video footage out there to support what youre saying but if you want to look at it from a multidimensional perspective you could also say there are beings at work bombarding us with this information so that we continue to give our power away to 'authorities' who can offer us 'protection' and make decisions for us.....by doing this we continue to not take responsibility for ourselves and our actions, as a species, and fail to step into our power which is what is really needed to make a change in the world.
There is so much spiritual glamour out there these days that refuses to accept the negatives in reality which in my opinion is just a new form of religious fundamentalism.

again my point you know as much as i do which is nothing only what you think you understand, for exsample an insect knows nothing about the world but is real, the world is there but the insect can not see but its part of the system , the insect can not even begin to imagin what its next to , hench the human race thinks and excepths we are the all knowing , in my view we are the insects , we are nothing in the face of the unknowing!!

viadah

Maybe it's time to step away from the whole 'insect' analogy. We humans may not be the sharpest knives in the universal drawer, but we at least have reason and intelligence enough to try to understand the things we may not be able to understand.

Or to put it another way, how are we expected to evolve if we all think the ignorant are blissful and the intelligent are ignorant?

lolo62

stone roses wrote: »

again my point you know as much as i do which is nothing only what you think you understand, for example an insect knows nothing about the world but is real, the world is there but the insect can not see but its part of the system , the insect can not even begin to imagin what its next to , hench the human race thinks and excepths we are the all knowing , in my view we are the insects , we are nothing in the face of the unknowing!!

ok thats all fair enough but the point i am making is in response to your original post which suggested demons/extra dimensional beings might be responsible for the horrible things that happen in the world.

what is important is that we live in a 3d reality and the stuff that happens down here is all the human races doing.

i disagree with your comparison between the human race and insects in terms of knowing and unknowing....human beings are self aware and have the capacity for love so there is no comparison

i agree with you that the human race thinks we are all knowing...i think the word is 'anthropocentric' but i also think this is changing and for the better..