Lough Ree proposal?

wildfowler94

Page 7 Longford leader minister proposes to make it a special protection area. anyone no the effects on wildfowling?:mad::eek:

Birdnuts

Isn't the lake a SAC as it is

PS: I'm not sure what this designation covers - I assume it covers preventing pollution/physical damage to the lake but I'm not sure what the story is beyond that!!

cavan shooter

if Im right it depends on the assessment and if they feel the fauna needs to be protected or the habitat. They can enforce the Birds Directive and any other aspect of legislation. Have a read of this

http://www.npws.ie/protectedsites/specialareasofconservationsac/

I read one and note shooters aren't doing themselves any favours when in a report it mentions that evidence of shooting around the lake from empty shells..

Its 2011, for GODS sake pick up the shells and bring them home:mad: Its not hard to do;)

Tackleberrywho

wildfowler94 wrote: »

Page 7 Longford leader minister proposes to make it a special protection area. anyone no the effects on wildfowling?:mad::eek:

2 year ago the same lake was being considered as a supply for Dublin reservoirs :eek:

I remember all the Locals going to Protest

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

2 year ago the same lake was being considered as a supply for Dublin reservoirs :eek:

I remember all the Locals going to Protest

There looking to tap your end of the Shannon now at Lough Derg:(

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

There looking to tap your end of the Shannon now at Lough Derg:(

My end of the shannon? Foreshore maybe, the river belongs to us all

I often wonder would it still flood if the water was sold to the Dubs for top Dolla

Dusty87

Birdnuts wrote: »

There looking to tap your end of the Shannon now at Lough Derg:(

yep and build a lake and treatment plant in lough boora, which will double up as a tourist attraction for anglers, bathers etc. Was all on Matt Cooper couple of months back.

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

My end of the shannon? Foreshore maybe, the river belongs to us all

I often wonder would it still flood if the water was sold to the Dubs for top Dolla

I think the main worry is what happens during dry summers - could have seriously negative implications for navigation, water quality, fisheries etc. on the lake:(

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

I think the main worry is what happens during dry summers - could have seriously negative implications for navigation, water quality, fisheries etc. on the lake:(

Well the guys I know that went on the protest were all farmers with land on the banks and islands on it. (my permissions )

I found it Ironic as they were giving out yards about the flooding later, and I was slagging them off.

All the Bogs are proposed to be flooded when they are cut away.
It would make Offaly and Kildare the NEW lake Counties

I understand the navigation as some parts are really shallow on lough ree, I see idiots on jet skis flying across the lake and don't realize that they are moments from death if the water drops a few inches.

I'd have mixed views on flooding the bogland and it's implications on the surrounding areas

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I'd have mixed views on flooding the bogland and it's implications on the surrounding areas

Bring it on I say - more wildfowl etc. for us lot:D;)

PS: Don't start me on Jet Skis and inland lakes!! - the damage/disturbance they do to all types of wildlife including nesting birds etc. is appalling:mad: - not to mention p*ssing off every other lake user from anglers to people just enjoying a quiet walk in lakeshore woods:(

terminator2

just trying to protect the cormorants god bless them ;)

Eddy Hill

wildfowler94 wrote: »

Page 7 Longford leader minister proposes to make it a special protection area. anyone no the effects on wildfowling?:mad::eek:

One of the most important and under discussed questions for wildfowlers

SPAs are EU designations aimed at assisting the conservation of birds , in particular migratory species . Each designation has listed qualifying interests it must meet before it can be designated.
These interests are the species of conservation importance found at the particular site .
If you read the Birds Directive (and not enough of us are doing this ) it states that traditional practices -like sustainable hunting-will not be prohibited


but there is growing pressure from eNGO in Ireland putting pressure on the EU to get this state to tighten up on the enforcement and protection of these SPAs.

L Ree was designated before
but for some reason perhaps due to a legal hitch , NPWS have to redesignate all of the SPAs
BUT
and its a big important but!!

the qualifying interests now have changed for L Ree and now also include species such as tufted duck (probably a reference to the large resident breeding population , we saw many tufties when fishing the Blacks on L Ree last June )

I foresee a time in the near future when some eNGO or similar makes a heartfelt written complaint to the EU that tufted duck are being unstainably hunted in L Ree and quess what will follow ......
NARGC, RISE etc
and every gun club
on behalf of each of its members can appeal the designation by making a written submission appealing the designation (not to be anti conservation but to put down a marker and to seek assurances ) i.e. to seek assurances that hunting will not be outlawed by the zealots

or appeal yourself in writing to
SPA Appeals ,
NPWS,
7 Ely
Place Dublin 1

you can appeal once you have a legal interest in the site (a section 30 permit holder has a legal interest in the site )


SPAs are mainly a good thing - for birds and in particular for waterfowl

but there are those , whether we like it or not who follow and try to police these threads who would conserve the entire country according to their prescription and f... any hunter, farmer, land owner or other countryside user when the zealots get going .

Birdnuts

Eddy Hill wrote: »

I foresee a time in the near future when some eNGO or similar makes a heartfelt written complaint to the EU that tufted duck are being unstainably hunted in L Ree and quess what will follow ......
.

I doubt it given that the number of breeding Tufted Ducks continue to rise across the country - at the end of the day these deceisions are based on the most up to date science and thankfully not on the emotive rantings of the likes of ICABS which no serious conservation body that I know of would want to be associated with.

Eddy Hill

Birdnuts wrote: »

I doubt it given that the number of breeding Tufted Ducks continue to rise across the country - at the end of the day these deceisions are based on the most up to date science and thankfully not on the emotive rantings of the likes of ICABS which no serious conservation body that I know of would want to be associated with.

I think most serious hunters on here should start to question and doubting some of the hunting related thread content ,


information you are coming out with is inaccurate

Tufted duck are listed by NPWS YES NPWS under the conservation interest for the Lough Ree SPA
FACT

Birdnuts

Eddy Hill wrote: »

I think most serious hunters on here should start to question and doubting some of the hunting related thread content ,


information you are coming out with is inaccurate

Tufted duck are listed by NPWS YES NPWS under the conservation interest for the Lough Ree SPA
FACT

I quoted the part of your post in which you were speculating about what might happen - I simply stated this was unlikely for obvious reasons.

PS: I would appreciate if you would stop misquoting me - thanx:)

Terrier

NARGC - FaceBook Page

SPA's SAC's clarification
Dear Mr. Sullivan, With reference to your query in relation to the position of hunting in Special Protection Areas (SPAs), I wish to verify that SPA designation does not place any further restrictions on your entitlements to shoot within the boundaries of the SPA. As long as a hunter has a Firearms Certificate, has permission to shoot on or over lands or waters from the landowner, or a Foreshore licence in the case of State waters, and is compliant with the current Open Seasons Order then hunting continues to be legal inside or outside the SPA boundaries. The SPA’s are designated in compliance with the EU Council Directive 79/409/EEC (commonly known as the Birds Directive) and Article 7 of the Directive recognises hunting as a legitimate activity and provides a comprehensive system for the management of hunting to ensure that the practice is sustainable. The National Parks and Wildlife Service of the Department of the Environment , Heritage and Local Government give effect to the provisions of Article 7 by applying the licencing system and Open Seasons Order process to regulate hunting and this applies both inside and outside SPA boundaries, with no special provisions deemed as being necessary inside the SPA’s.