Cash strapped RTE do it again

jimmynokia

Today its emerged that brendan o connors saturday night show costs €1000 more than golden boys late late show
it cost rte €135,459 FROM may to september.
A spokesman at RTE said,in general we pay for guests to appear,however if the guest is promoting a film,albulm,book or programme no fee is paid.This goes for the late late show too.

Minstrel27

How much was taken in from advertising during the show?

sarah_george

terrible programme.. another waste of our tv licence fee....

jimmynokia

Minstrel27 wrote: »

How much was taken in from advertising during the show?

nothing mentioned about that but they still continue to spend despite been 30 million euro in debt,plus it emerges today they funded golden boys trip to las Vegas to film stuff for the late late show,how much did that cost?THE TAXPAYER

Minstrel27

You have slammed RTÉ for spending money on a show without first finding out how much money that show made.

jimmynokia wrote: »

nothing mentioned about that but they still continue to spend despite been 30 million euro in debt,plus it emerges today they funded golden boys trip to las Vegas to film stuff for the late late show,how much did that cost?THE TAXPAYER

Should they stop making all television programmes? They are in debt afterall. There is great money to be made in repeats I am sure.

mike65

How the heck O'Conners show cost more is the real issue here.

jimmynokia

Minstrel27 wrote: »

You have slammed RTÉ for spending money on a show without first finding out how much money that show made.



Should they stop making all television programmes? They are in debt afterall. There is great money to be made in repeats I am sure.

where am i slamming them? Great money to be made by repeats, eh 30 million debt and how long are the shows running now ?where is the money.

jimmynokia

mike65 wrote: »

How the heck O'Conners show cost more is the real issue here.

Yeah i agree.

Conor108

RTE could be half decent if they stopped giving shows to unfunny "comedians", cut the bleeeding angelus out and most importantly moved all their 2-4 am shows to primetime slots. Mad Men, 24, Lost and whatever else they buy.

Guy:Incognito

Conor108 wrote: »

RTE could be half decent if they stopped giving shows to unfunny "comedians", .

People here say that every Irish comedian is unfunny. and that every Irish celebrity is **** at what they do. So who will make the shows?

jimmynokia wrote: »

where am i slamming them? .

Did you post the story in praise of RTE so

coconut5

Conor108 wrote: »

and most importantly moved all their 2-4 am shows to primetime slots. Mad Men, 24, Lost and whatever else they buy.

I honestly think whoever has been working on scheduling for the last 5 years needs to be fired pronto. The amount of great shows on after midnight is sad, really sad.

MidlandsM

I blame TWINK............cos she's an auld CNUT...........just had to get that off me chest! LOL

jor el

Minstrel27 wrote: »

How much was taken in from advertising during the show?

Given it's position, I would well imagine that the Late Late Show would command a much higher advertising premium than Brendan O'Connor.

The overall question should be was the money spent (minus the revenue generated) worth it for the overall entertainment value to the viewing public? That goes for either show. Was either show in profit at the end of the series, and if not, was the loss worth it?

I don't find Brendan O'Connor in the slightest bit entertaining, and wouldn't watch if I was paid to. I don't watch the Late Late Show either, but have seen it on an irregular basis (and don't mind it, or Tubridy). I'm guessing they had to pay more celebs to appear on O'Connor's show, because they couldn't find people that were looking for some free promo time, or they just couldn't get people to go on a show that no one cares about.

Cianan2

They obviously need to pay people more to sit through an interview with that mong

Dman001

it's worth noting that Brendan O'Connors show and The Late Late bring in the most ratings for RTE, and therefore charge high for Advertisement slots and Sponsership.

As said, this news isn't worth much without knowing how much they brought in from Advertising.

JonathanAnon

They havent factor in the costs of the presenter.. I would reckon that if you add in Tubridy's wages, the LLS certainly costs more..

jimmynokia

JonathanAnon wrote: »

They havent factor in the costs of the presenter.. I would reckon that if you add in Tubridy's wages, the LLS certainly costs more..

by the looks of things they have not learned to cut back at all after sending tubbers to las vegas for the late late WTF.

Hal Emmerich

coconut5 wrote: »

I honestly think whoever has been working on scheduling for the last 5 years needs to be fired pronto. The amount of great shows on after midnight is sad, really sad.

+1 +1 +1 +1000000000000000000000000000.

Don't forget they've started to put good shows on in the mornings now aswell.

Sesudra

Hal Emmerich wrote: »

+1 +1 +1 +1000000000000000000000000000.

Don't forget they've started to put good shows on in the mornings now aswell.

I heard an interview a few years back, think it was on Today FM, with TV3s scheduling guy, and he said that it often happens that RTE will buy up the hit shows so that TV3 can't buy them, and then stick them in graveyard slots and pump out another series of Wagons Den at prime time

mike65

RTE like TV3 buy in series as part of a package if you want say Desperate Housewives and Lost you also have to take X,Y and Z, clearly RTE have only so many prime time hours so the wee small ones are populated with various shows that in a fairer world would be on earlier on a different channel.

syklops

mike65 wrote: »

How the heck O'Conners show cost more is the real issue here.

I don't watch O'connors show. I don't watch the late late any more either, and I'll tell you one of the reasons why. While, celebrities promoting their book/dvd/cd has always been common on the late late, since Tubridy took over, it was every night there was at least one person promoting something, and some nights there were two or three. Which means they didn't get paid for those segments.

TBH, the question I would be asking, with all the free guests they give to do promotions, is how they still manage to cost that much?

What they should do, is merge the two shows, and get good guests, good interviews and good music on one night. rather than 2 mediocre shows on over 2 nights.

bastados

Oh we need to rebuild this crap station from the ground up...Lets call it Solus TV.

Fire everyone and put in genuinely funny and smart people in there..that would generate income fast - its only a biz if its making proper greenage.

bastados

mike65 wrote: »

How the heck O'Conners show cost more is the real issue here.

O'Conner demands a massive feed before going on..whereas tubridy just like to suck on an ice cube and stare in the mirror beforehand.

coconut5

mike65 wrote: »

RTE like TV3 buy in series as part of a package if you want say Desperate Housewives and Lost you also have to take X,Y and Z, clearly RTE have only so many prime time hours so the wee small ones are populated with various shows that in a fairer world would be on earlier on a different channel.

RTE 2 scheduling this evening:

19:00 Wild Russia
20:00 Natural World
21:00 The Good Wife (fine)

23:20 United States of Tara
1:15 Rubicon (a series I heard was good)

Tomorrow:

20:00 Mystery Gorilla
21:00 Movie
22:55 The Big C
23:30 Another movie
2:00 Hellcats (a show which should have a 7pm time slot in my opinion)
2:45 Fairly Legal

Why do they give the prime time to so many nature shows? Why do they have two movies (filler time) on Friday when they have other shows they could be putting in there? Lots of people watch US drama series, but unless you have Sky+, how are you going to watch Mad Men and whatever else without staying up all night? Regardless of Sky+ anyway, I don't think a lot of thought goes into the TV times.

And those are just today and tomorrow. This is an ongoing trend.

syklops

bastados wrote: »

Oh we need to rebuild this crap station from the ground up...Lets call it Solus TV.

Fire everyone and put in genuinely funny and smart people in there..that would generate income fast - its only a biz if its making proper greenage.

While I love the idea, the problem with that plan, and its the same problem with firing everyone in FAS, and firing everyone in the HSE, is that you then dont have anyone left to decide who is funny and who isnt. Fire everyone at the top, and keep people on the bottom, and there is either no-one left to make decisions, or no-one who is willing to risk making a decision(thats why they are on the bottom). Fire everyone at the bottom, and you have executives and producers spending all their time figuring out how to work the copier and the coffee machine.

Organisations like this are full of people who dont make decisions anyway, for fear it will be unpopular. Instead they have committees, and the committees make the decision. Thus phrases such as "That was discussed in committee, and a decision made".

Send a load of auditors in. The programmes that make money are kept, the ones that don't are cancelled, obviously with some exceptions(Public service etc.).

Hal Emmerich

Sesudra wrote: »

I heard an interview a few years back, think it was on Today FM, with TV3s scheduling guy, and he said that it often happens that RTE will buy up the hit shows so that TV3 can't buy them, and then stick them in graveyard slots and pump out another series of Wagons Den at prime time

I've seen TV3 buy shows for TV3 play a Season and then move it over to 3e, which alot of people can't recieve, dumber than RTE if you ask me.

character

You can't run a TV station purely on what makes money and what doesn't. A lot of the most successful shows had fairly humble beginnings, to start with. And a show which does well with a valuable demographic - twenty/thirtysomethings with money, for instance (when people have money) is worth more in keeping the profile of a channel up. And you can't just fire everyone, bottom or top. What you could do is look for vision. When is someone going to run RTE with a bit of charisma? Why do broadcasters saddle themselves with bureaucrats, instead of looking for a Steve Jobs-type innovator and leader?
Ask yourself the question - what does RTE stand for? What's recognisable about it as a brand? Why for instance is it buying into The Voice, which the BBC are doing anyway, so that we just look like a me-too station?
And ask yourself - which of RTE's presenters do people ACTUALLY turn on for? Brendan O'Connor? Grainne Seoige? Lucy Kennedy? Do YOU want to watch another series where they try to get something right with Craig Doyle (his last two shows have been binned after one series)?

A Disgrace

Conor108 wrote: »

cut the bleeeding angelus out

I agree. I reckon they could save a fortune by cutting it out. I mean, we must be talking millions for the bells alone..

Hey, while we're at it, lets show endless US imports, you know, the ones that most people here have already downloaded.. that'll get the advertisers in!

Also, to the MULTIPLE posters who spell O'Connor, 'O'Conner' please try harder. It devalues your argument somewhat..

You do know that Nationwide is broadcast in Poland, Estonia and the UAE, right?

character

A Disgrace wrote: »

I agree. I reckon they could save a fortune by cutting it out. I mean, we must be talking millions for the bells alone..

Hey, while we're at it, lets show endless US imports, you know, the ones that most people here have already downloaded.. that'll get the advertisers in!

Also, to the MULTIPLE posters who spell O'Connor, 'O'Conner' please try harder. It devalues your argument somewhat..

You do know that Nationwide is broadcast in Poland, Estonia and the UAE, right?

Nationwide? Estonia? Poland? UAE?

You're kidding, right?

Hal Emmerich

A Disgrace wrote: »

I agree. I reckon they could save a fortune by cutting it out. I mean, we must be talking millions for the bells alone..

Hey, while we're at it, lets show endless US imports, you know, the ones that most people here have already downloaded.. that'll get the advertisers in!

Also, to the MULTIPLE posters who spell O'Connor, 'O'Conner' please try harder. It devalues your argument somewhat..

You do know that Nationwide is broadcast in Poland, Estonia and the UAE, right?

I can't beleive someone brought up bad spelling.

I b4 e except after c

A Disgrace

Hal Emmerich wrote: »

I can't beleive someone brought up bad spelling.

I b4 e except after c

I can't BELEIVE it...

But serio, what?

Zardoz

Conor108 wrote: »

RTE could be half decent if they stopped giving shows to unfunny "comedians", cut the bleeeding angelus out and most importantly moved all their 2-4 am shows to primetime slots. Mad Men, 24, Lost and whatever else they buy.

They should setup a new channel called RTE 3 running from 6pm-1am that just shows US imports and other good shows that are normally banished to ridiculous times on RTE 1 and 2.

coconut5

Nationwide is a good show. I don't have a problem with the RTE One schedule, it is catering for a certain audience. Fine. It is RTE Two that I think needs to be revamped.

FreudianSlippers

In before total misunderstanding of "TV Licence" ... oh, wait.

A Disgrace

coconut5 wrote: »

Nationwide is a good show. I don't have a problem with the RTE One schedule, it is catering for a certain audience. Fine. It is RTE Two that I think needs to be revamped.

Agree with this, it was more cutting edge when it was Network 2 for a start

Dman001

Dman001 wrote: »

it's worth noting that Brendan O'Connors show and The Late Late bring in the most ratings for RTE

It's probably the competitions on the shows that bring in most of the ratings

laugh

If you think Tubridy is better than O'Connor you are out of your mind.

michael999999

jimmynokia wrote: »

by the looks of things they have not learned to cut back at all after sending tubbers to las vegas for the late late WTF.

You have a serious obsession with Tubridy and RTE!

Oh_Noes

character wrote: »

Nationwide? Estonia? Poland? UAE?

You're kidding, right?

Michael Ryan is the David Hasselhoff of Poland and Mary Kennedy is regularly on the cover of Estonian Maxim.

character

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Michael Ryan is the David Hasselhoff of Poland and Mary Kennedy is regularly on the cover of Estonian Maxim.

Does that mean that there's a new reality show in which Michael Ryan spends a day being a 'real" Michael Ryan from real life?

Cool. I'd watch that.

Elmo

Zardoz wrote: »

They should setup a new channel called RTE 3 running from 6pm-1am that just shows US imports and other good shows that are normally banished to ridiculous times on RTE 1 and 2.

They did ask if they could set up a channel like that but were refused by Pat Carey Minister for Comms, hence we just have RTÉ ONE +1. (RTÉ PLUS was the proposed channel, included archive programmes also).

BTW it cost around 70,000 to produce a relatively cheap programme, its an outrage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXOPIbb8ZjA

Niles

Anyone know why Carey refused the hypothetical third RTÉ channel? To my mind this would have much more appeal than RTÉ One +1... As Zardoz suggests there are some good US shows relegated to the middle of the night while in other countries they get decent slots.

Elmo

Niles wrote: »

Anyone know why Carey refused the hypothetical third RTÉ channel?

Because TV3 strongly lobbied against RTÉ PLUS.

hoff1

i do love a good rte bashing.....................not

Namlub

A Disgrace wrote: »

I agree. I reckon they could save a fortune by cutting it out. I mean, we must be talking millions for the bells alone..

Hey, while we're at it, lets show endless US imports, you know, the ones that most people here have already downloaded.. that'll get the advertisers in!

Also, to the MULTIPLE posters who spell O'Connor, 'O'Conner' please try harder. It devalues your argument somewhat..

You do know that Nationwide is broadcast in Poland, Estonia and the UAE, right?

Only if you're hideously pedantic, tbf...

Elmo

Namlub wrote: »

Only if you're hideously pedantic, tbf...

I am sure the opening and closing apostrophes and the apostrophe after the O will cause errors prob best to go with "O'Conner" rather than 'O'Connor'



(because of the bad joke, I amn't explaining it, its bad enough).

Niles

Elmo wrote: »

Because TV3 strongly lobbied against RTÉ PLUS.

Hmmm, I wonder why, I mean ITV Ireland TV3 is such an interesting channel (that absolutely does not rely on UK soaps and reality programming to fill it's schedules) it's not like a pure entertainment channel would have been a threat to it or anything. :rolleyes:

Zardoz

Zardoz wrote: »

They should setup a new channel called RTE 3 running from 6pm-1am that just shows US imports and other good shows that are normally banished to ridiculous times on RTE 1 and 2.

They wanted to do this, RTÉ PLUS, but TV3 and Sky objected. Even though I feel Sky shouldn't have any say in our channels, considering that they don't even pay VAT here.

laugh

Tubridy on bbc radio2 review: Irish Independent

goose2005

tbh making TV is very expensive anyway - it's not the fee paid to guests but the nice salaries and jobs-for-life held by the production people (all of whom are interrelated)