What things continue in present-day Irish society because we don't report them?

Dionysus

With all the justified outrage at how people - e.g. our parents or our relatives or our neighbours (perhaps, dare I say it, even 'and')- said nothing at the time about abuse scandals in church and state institutions throughout the decades, I'm wondering what things continue in Irish society that we, or at least many people in Irish society in 2011, keep quiet about?

It's fairly easy to look on the past and think modern society isn't as depraved, but you can be sure that people in 1940s/50s/60s/70s/80s/90s Ireland felt they were more "civilised" (a horribly misused word) than people in former generations. It's much harder to see the fundamental failings in our own time.

Can anybody get beyond the vested interests today and point out injustices or mistreatment in Ireland in 2011 that could be the things which outrage Irish people in the future?

kippy

Social Welfare Fraud.
(Linked) Tax Evasion.

py2006

Suicide

We don't talk about it in terms of how prevalent it is and how to prevent it.

WIZE

Travellers incomes not being investigated for tax dodging

Eric Cartman

drink driving
illegal dumping
burning rubbish
pubs opening later than they should
smoking in pubs
recreational drug use
cars without tax or nct
people driving foreign registered cars
underage drinking
shops selling smokes to kids

but shure all of thats good craic and lets not try change any of it

CardBordWindow

Overpayment of bankers!

py2006

Men subjected to physical/sexual/mental abuse!

Not reported/discussed anywhere near as much as it should be!

Chuck Stone

There was (is) definately a lack of civil courage when it comes to authority.

Our respect should be earned by people in authority rather than presumed.

Nobody should be immune from critical examination and this goes for everyone - politicians, guards, teachers, doctors, priests, scientists, judges, parents etc.

steddyeddy

Child abuse often goes unreported untill its too late and those who have survived child abuse are still not getting the proper help that they would in other countries.

seanbmc

Eric Cartman wrote: »

drink driving
illegal dumping
burning rubbish
pubs opening later than they should
smoking in pubs
recreational drug use
cars without tax or nct
people driving foreign registered cars
underage drinking
shops selling smokes to kids

but shure all of thats good craic and lets not try change any of it

Nothing wrong with those two.

Dman001

Racism!

steddyeddy

py2006 wrote: »

Men subjected to physical/sexual/mental abuse!

Not reported/discussed anywhere near as much as it should be!

Well men and women man but I get your point that male abuse goes unreported maybe because theres a stigma attached.

ItsAWindUp

seanbmc wrote: »

Nothing wrong with those two.

If anything they should be increased!

Eric Cartman

seanbmc wrote: »

Nothing wrong with those two.

nothing wrong with any of them in my book but we just dont report them

Dionysus

Dman001 wrote: »

Racism!

Short-sighted political correctness motivated by short-term economic needs or misguided ideology which has rather longer socio-economic consequences?

Merch

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There was (is) definately a lack of civil courage when it comes to authority.

Our respect should be earned by people in authority rather than presumed.

Nobody should be immune from critical examination and this goes for everyone - politicians, guards, teachers, doctors, priests, scientists, judges, parents etc.

+1
but then people will stand in an defend/provide reason that these or other select groups should not be open to criticism, the ah its ok if the gardai give yer man a slap because he's a scumbag defense.
Doctors here too, that certainly isn't one example that can be compared to the UK.

mackg

Dman001 wrote: »

Racism!

Who do you report this to? Do you mean racially motivated discrimination?

ejmaztec

CardBordWindow wrote: »

Overpayment of bankers!

In the future, people will be wondering why none of the feckers spent any time in the slammer, or weren't butchered in the streets by our primitive selves.

Call Me Lia

How important alcohol is to this culture and how nobody seems to be making an effective effort to change this

jammstarr

Workplace nepotism?

mackg

Call Me Lia wrote: »

How important alcohol is to this culture and how nobody seems to be making an effective effort to change this

I would do something but I'm too hungover.:(

Dionysus

Call Me Lia wrote: »

How important alcohol is to this culture and how nobody seems to be making an effective effort to change this

This actually is huge, and I've never thought much about it. The tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Irish jobs which depend upon maintaining the present Irish culture of abuse of drink is breathtaking - whether it's publicans, taxi drivers, take away owners, A&E personnel or the Revenue Commissioners, to name some.

The enormous damage that drink inflicts, which we all know about - some much more than others, admittedly - is suppressed under the incessant romanticisation of drink in all the media and among many members of the public.

When, hopefully when, we face up to it, two names will shine out as people who warned us: Mick Loftus, the former GAA President, and Joe Barry of TCD.

steddyeddy

jammstarr wrote: »

Workplace nepotism?

Thats a huge problem.

pragmatic1

Every fcukin nasty thing that you can think of and then some.

cobwebs

Tax evasion through working in the black economy.

dsmythy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

drink driving
illegal dumping
burning rubbish
pubs opening later than they should
smoking in pubs
recreational drug use
cars without tax or nct
people driving foreign registered cars
underage drinking
shops selling smokes to kids

but shure all of thats good craic and lets not try change any of it

There's a Christmas song in there somewhere.

orourkeda

anal rape

orourkeda

dsmythy wrote: »

There's a Christmas song in there somewhere.

Dont blame it on the smokers
Dont blame it on the drinkers
Dont blame it on the dumpers

Blame it on the junkies

Knight who says Meh

This happened a year ago and is still driving me nuts:
My work place has a voluntary board of management drawn from across the board of the small town i live in. Several of the board are town councillors.
After a staff/ management meeting to see how we could survive with dwindling grants and resources we were all told that there would be a drink and grub in the pub owned by one councillor.
The first shock was after being spontaneously invited to the guys pub my work was sent the bill.
The real kick in the teeth was though only about 11 folk went to the pub and few drank (Week night) the bill had drinks on it, in large quantities that no one had ordered. Basically the guy wined and dined his mates at my works expense and my work runs at a loss and relies on grants.
The administrator reported this to management and surprise surprise it never went any further. The usual small town parish pump horse sh1t that got us where we are in the first place.

Mr. Denton

orourkeda wrote: »

anal rape

I love anal rap.

"Yo yo yo. This Mc D up in the hizzle, which mother fúcker put my stuff in a tizzle?"

Call Me Lia

mackg wrote: »

Call Me Lia wrote: »

How important alcohol is to this culture and how nobody seems to be making an effective effort to change this

I would do something but I'm too hungover.:(

I rest my case

Dionysus

Somebody mentioned 'workplace' and the obvious stood out:

bullying.


Few people with experience of work are untouched by this, be they victims or offenders or onlookers. And how many onlookers have said, and continue to say, nothing?

Naomi00

Gardaí not working in the interest of people. Treating people like rubbish e.g at Rossport, Co. Mayo and the Student protests in Dublin last year. The gards made total idiots of themselves but no ever mentions that? RTE etc don't pay any heed to protestors and talk about them as if they are criminals, taking away from whatever the protest was about in the first place. And they go around on power trips at things like that too, so annoying.

I know someone who did work experience in the garda station in town and the Gardaí did absolutely nothing all week, played pranks on each other and went driving around in the squad car. Wtf do we pay these people for? They really need to fix that. I've seen gards talking on a mobile while driving, etc. They think that they can do whatever they want. If there ever was an investigation into that people would be wondering why we let a bunch of idiots tell us what to do

orourkeda

py2006 wrote: »

Suicide

We don't talk about it in terms of how prevalent it is and how to prevent it.

Would it be fair to suggest that we will never know the true extent of the problem of suicide?

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic or crude, how can we accurately determine the prevalence. How many people have stepped back from the brink or have have made unsuccessful attempts that were not accompanied by serious injuries?

Call Me Lia

Naomi00 wrote: »

GardaÃ* not working in the interest of people. Treating people like rubbish e.g at Rossport, Co. Mayo and the Student protests in Dublin last year. The gards made total idiots of themselves but no ever mentions that? RTE etc don't pay any heed to protestors and talk about them as if they are criminals, taking away from whatever the protest was about in the first place. And they go around on power trips at things like that too, so annoying.

I know someone who did work experience in the garda station in town and the GardaÃ* did absolutely nothing all week, played pranks on each other and went driving around in the squad car. Wtf do we pay these people for? They really need to fix that. I've seen gards talking on a mobile while driving, etc. They think that they can do whatever they want. If there ever was an investigation into that people would be wondering why we let a bunch of idiots tell us what to do

Ya, a guy I know, who was at a protest last year, said that even though the protest was relatively peaceful and he was acting civilized (no violence etc), one of the Gardai came and hit him on the head with his baton! What's worse is that he couldn't identify that specific Garda, so it all went by unnoticed. Luckily he's fine now but I was just so shocked to hear that this could still happen, and to somebody I actually know. And for no apparent reason! Unless the freedom of speech rule has been abolished...

And also remember that news story a few weeks back about the 3 gardai who went into a mans house with a fake warrant and assaulted him?

This is not to say that ALL gardai are the same, some are very helpful and take their job seriously. It's just the few that give the Gardai a bad image.

Son Of A Vidic

cobwebs wrote: »

Tax evasion through working in the black economy.

That's merely a symptom, guess what caused it? Treat the disease, not the symptom.

tayto lover

People spending time on protests like Rossport. Wasting Garda time and preventing people doing their lawful work while they themselves are drawing the dole. Then having the cheek to come on here and complain about it. Disgusting.

Dangerous Man

orourkeda wrote: »

Would it be fair to suggest that we will never know the true extent of the problem of suicide?

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic or crude, how can we accurately determine the prevalence. How many people have stepped back from the brink or have have made unsuccessful attempts that were not accompanied by serious injuries?

Neither unsympathetic or crude - a good question that hits at the crux of the problem; the conditions that actually cause a person to consider such an action in the first place.

Needler

tayto lover wrote: »

People spending time on protests like Rossport. Wasting Garda time and preventing people doing their lawful work while they themselves are drawing the dole. Then having the cheek to come on here and complain about it. Disgusting.

Obvious troll is obvious

Fremen

Replying to your title rather than your post.

It's not exactly an outrage, but dogs shít on the street because on-one reports people who let them.

London: no dogshít.

Edinburgh: no dogshít.

Dublin: Feckin' drowning in the stuff.

Needler

So the OP essentially thinks our lack of a snitching culture as found in some other (mostly densely populated countries) is a bad thing?

py2006

orourkeda wrote: »

Would it be fair to suggest that we will never know the true extent of the problem of suicide?

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic or crude, how can we accurately determine the prevalence. How many people have stepped back from the brink or have have made unsuccessful attempts that were not accompanied by serious injuries?

Perhaps we could raise awareness of the telltale sign? Keep an eye on introverted people! Friends/relatives who suddenly become reclusive and distant?

tayto lover

py2006 wrote: »

Perhaps we could raise awareness of the telltale sign? Keep an eye on introverted people! Friends/relatives who suddenly become reclusive and distant?

Also people giving away prized possessions or as asking if you would mind their dog if anything happened to them.

tayto lover

Needler wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious

No way. Just replying to hypocrisy.

Dyr

Dionysus wrote: »

With all the justified outrage at how people - e.g. our parents or our relatives or our neighbours (perhaps, dare I say it, even 'and')- said nothing at the time about abuse scandals in church and state institutions throughout the decades, I'm wondering what things continue in Irish society that we, or at least many people in Irish society in 2011, keep quiet about?

It's fairly easy to look on the past and think modern society isn't as depraved, but you can be sure that people in 1940s/50s/60s/70s/80s/90s Ireland felt they were more "civilised" (a horribly misused word) than people in former generations. It's much harder to see the fundamental failings in our own time.

Can anybody get beyond the vested interests today and point out injustices or mistreatment in Ireland in 2011 that could be the things which outrage Irish people in the future?

20 years from now we'll probably claim that we didn't know when it turns out that many women abused kids but got away with it.

Same with professional classes, like doctors and solicitors, they were the equivalent of being a priest for many years such was the deference given to them.

I'm sure there's lots of sacred cows and white elephants still in Ireland. We just replaced the previous generations herd with our own.