Ideas for front wall

BullBauld

I am looking for some ideas for my front wall which I hope to start soon.

My planning states that 'the new wall shall not be greater than 1m high and shall be finished similiarily to the dwelling'.

Now I take it this means a blocked/plastered/painted wall (there is no stone in the house). If so then fair enough. But my girlfriend does not like this plastered/painted look at all and is pushing for a stone wall.

I have been telling her that planning will not allow this (based on the above condition) but its like talking to the wall if pardon the pun . Am I right in this?

Now let me state at this point that I'm not trying to flout planning requirements or go outside conditions, not in the slightest. I just want to make sure I'm taking the right interpretation from the above while trying to add some 'character' to the wall, if at all possible.

So is there anything we can do that would keep my girlfriend happy but stay within the above planning condition? I am thinking a natural stone capping would go someway but not sure if this would go with the painted finish of the wall, or even be in breach of the condition.

Any thoughts/ideas?

Thanks

Bull

Slig

Unfortunately, the planning department put in these standard planning conditions in a copy and paste manner that IMO is completely unnecessary.

As with all palnning conditions you could run the risk and build a stone wall BUT be prepared to stop building and/or tear down all the work you have done if the council decide to enforce the condition or pay for retention fees on a retention application that could still prove unsuccessful. TBH why would you spend so much money building a stone clad/stone wall that would be such a risk, simply for a boundary wall. It serves its purpose whether its stone or brick or rendered blockwork.

hbarstone

maybe can do both, build block wall cavity block with panel sections 4 inch block. then fill sections with stonework to 10 mm proud cavity block. have built like this before, can add nice character to otherwise plain wall, of course other option simply ask council if any problem with build stone wall

BullBauld

Slig wrote: »

Unfortunately, the planning department put in these standard planning conditions in a copy and paste manner that IMO is completely unnecessary.

As with all palnning conditions you could run the risk and build a stone wall BUT be prepared to stop building and/or tear down all the work you have done if the council decide to enforce the condition or pay for retention fees on a retention application that could still prove unsuccessful. TBH why would you spend so much money building a stone clad/stone wall that would be such a risk, simply for a boundary wall. It serves its purpose whether its stone or brick or rendered blockwork.

Thanks for reply. Yeah to be honest I don't really want to spend so much money on a stone wall, the girlfriend wouldn't mind though.

I suppose I'm looking for ideas to 'jazz up' the block wall a bit...if possible. Would a stone (as opposed to precast) capping on a block wall look a bit daft? Could maybe tie kerbing in with it then.

hbarstone wrote: »

maybe can do both, build block wall cavity block with panel sections 4 inch block. then fill sections with stonework to 10 mm proud cavity block. have built like this before, can add nice character to otherwise plain wall, of course other option simply ask council if any problem with build stone wall

Thats sounds good, will look into this too. Thanks

starbelgrade

You can appeal any condition attached to a planning condition. If you are in the time period between the notification of the grant of permission & the final grant, you should write directly to the local authority stating the reasons why you wish to have the condition removed or altered.

Failing this, or if you have already received the final grant, you can appeal to an Bord Pleanala to have the condition overturned.

Your architect should be able to look after all this for you.

muffler

starbelgrade wrote: »

You can appeal any condition attached to a planning condition. If you are in the time period between the notification of the grant of permission & the final grant, you should write directly to the local authority stating the reasons why you wish to have the condition removed or altered.

Thats 100% wrong. There are only 2 normal ways to remove a condition and that is to appeal to An Bord Pleanala (not the planning authority) or reapply for permission.

starbelgrade wrote: »

Failing this, or if you have already received the final grant, you can appeal to an Bord Pleanala to have the condition overturned.

100% wrong again. An appeal cannot be made after the final grant has issued.

starbelgrade wrote: »

Your architect should be able to look after all this for you.

Let's hope so. The OP wouldnt want to rely on your offerings.


mod hat on: starbelgrade, if you don't know or don't understand the planning regulations then please dont post. We are dealing in facts here and not your (inaccurate) personal opinions

hbarstone

panels and piers i suggest in stone would be low cost, if wish see what look like go google earth street view and see wall like i suggest

location roscommon town street the walk


co-ordinates to locate 53-38.21.59n 8-10.26.96


hope above helps

BullBauld

hbarstone wrote: »

panels and piers i suggest in stone would be low cost, if wish see what look like go google earth street view and see wall like i suggest

location roscommon town street the walk


co-ordinates to locate 53-38.21.59n 8-10.26.96


hope above helps

Ha thats freaky, I'm from Roscommon Town. Did you know that? Will take a spin up the walk later on for a gawk at the wall. You must be from around so?

Thanks for the help again.

plasteritup

there is also a stencil that you can buy,a plasterer can apply render to the wall,with a brown dye in the mortar,apply the stencil when he floats and sponges the wall,remove stencil which is designed to leave a stone effect,nice job if done correctly.

Slig

plasteritup wrote: »

there is also a stencil that you can buy,a plasterer can apply render to the wall,with a brown dye in the mortar,apply the stencil when he floats and sponges the wall,remove stencil which is designed to leave a stone effect,nice job if done correctly.

............but an absolute disaster if not done correctly.

Talk to the planner and ask if the finish you choose would be acceptable. Its how you ask that may make the difference.
If you ask their opinion they will tell you nap plaster is all you can do as it is in the grant conditions ,however, if you start by asking would a stone wall be acceptable you may get a yes.

Happyman42

plasteritup wrote: »

there is also a stencil that you can buy,a plasterer can apply render to the wall,with a brown dye in the mortar,apply the stencil when he floats and sponges the wall,remove stencil which is designed to leave a stone effect,nice job if done correctly.

Any examples of that?

RKQ

Slig wrote: »

Talk to the planner and ask if the finish you choose would be acceptable. Its how you ask that may make the difference.
If you ask their opinion they will tell you nap plaster is all you can do as it is in the grant conditions ,however, if you start by asking would a stone wall be acceptable you may get a yes.

Good advice Slig.
Stone walls are traditional, dry stone, random rubble or layered rubble walls. It would be hard to argue against using a natural, local material in a tradional way. Talk to your Planner.

Neighbouring properties or properties near yours with natural stone walls would add to your wish to maintain local vernacular. An old church or old masion nearby, with a stone wall would be great.

IMO real natural stone looks like natural real stone. While stick on stone or plumice looks like stick on stone or plumice. Coloured or dyed render looks like coloured or dyed render.

plasteritup

Happyman42 wrote: »

Any examples of that?

sorry happy,just came across this again there,no im afraid, done it myself on a house a few years back.(around both dormers at the front)looked very nice.
i will try and find some examples online and post em over next couple of days.:)