Did Met Eireann Get It Wrong Today

Storm 10

Today they said it would be damp a drizzle in the West Coast but here in Galway its blue sky and 20 degrees, if you look at their website and look at Galway now at 4pm it says Fog !!!!!!!!!!
phoned my cousin in Dublin at 1pm and he said it was raining

Here is their forecast for the West today

Cloudy misty conditions will continue to persist from the West coast to the Midlands this afternoon. Ulster will remain sunny and the cloudy skies will tend to break up across the northeast of the country. Highest temperatures of 17 to 21 degrees with light winds.

Harps

As ever when they didnt pinpoint the weather over your house it means they're totally wrong :rolleyes:

Current sat24 image, cloudy/misty over the south and west, sunny over Ulster and the north east

DOCARCH

Storm 10 wrote: »

phoned my cousin in Dublin at 1pm and he said it was raining

What part of Dublin was that? Sunny here (as it was at 1pm) and 22.5c atm. Really lovely.

Storm 10

DOCARCH wrote: »

What part of Dublin was that? Sunny here (as it was at 1pm) and 22.5c atm. Really lovely.

Turns out he was messing :rolleyes:, I know that it can change all the time but it was really nice where I am, hope it turns out great where you are, nice to get a bit of summer when ever we can get it.

redsteveireland

There was drizzle/mist in Galway until about 1.
Was down the beach in Renmore(ballyloughane) around 3 and there was eerie fog blowing in across the beach every few minutes.
It would be humid one minute then a sudden chill came with the fog, then humid again.

Thick sea fog out past Clifden set in last night, i left around 3 and it hadnt cleared the coast

johngalway

Storm 10 wrote: »

Cloudy misty conditions will continue to persist from the West coast to the Midlands this afternoon.

I had planned on shearing sheep today. Looked out this morning and could see where water was pooling on the footpaths, not rain but heavy misty foggy stuff. (Can't shear in the wet). That cleared off in the afternoon, though it could be seen loitering with intent just offshore. It was very warm and very muggy here today.

Hal Emmerich

How many people said "When do they get it right" when they read the Thread Title?

Su Campu

Is the Met Éireann bashing nonsense going to go on for much longer lads? It's getting pretty pathetic now. There are some people (and two in particular) on here who's main contribution is posting only negative comments, even when unjustified. First the Cusack apology, now this. I know there's not much happening with the weather at the moment, and things to post are scarce, but if you have nothing to post, then post nothing.

BEASTERLY

Su Campu wrote: »

Is the Met Éireann bashing nonsense going to go on for much longer lads? It's getting pretty pathetic now. There are some people (and two in particular) on here who's main contribution is posting only negative comments, even when unjustified. First the Cusack apology, now this. I know there's not much happening with the weather at the moment, and things to post are scarce, but if you have nothing to post, then post nothing.

Funny thing is, most of the complaints are not caused by ME's accuarcy just morons' inability to listen to a forecast properly. E.g people hearing ''showers in the north-west'' and take it as every will get showers, then give out stink about ME because there was no showers in Wexford.

Speak Now

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Funny thing is, most of the complaints are not caused by ME's accuarcy just morons' inability to listen to a forecast properly. E.g people hearing ''showers in the north-west'' and take it as every will get showers, then give out stink about ME because there was no showers in Wexford.

South east radio thought they meant north west Wexford

weisses

Su Campu wrote: »

Is the Met Éireann bashing nonsense going to go on for much longer lads? It's getting pretty pathetic now. There are some people (and two in particular) on here who's main contribution is posting only negative comments, even when unjustified. First the Cusack apology, now this. I know there's not much happening with the weather at the moment, and things to post are scarce, but if you have nothing to post, then post nothing.

at least the topic is weather related !!

And this week there is quite a difference of opinion between the ME and the MTC forecasts

And as long as the discussions are not ending up in flame wars and insults i can't see nothing wrong with it (and i am surprised/pissed of as well by the sometimes inaccurate forecasting by ME )

And to called it "nonsense bashing" is not on i think .. you of all people shouldknow they are wrong a lot of times

Storm 10

weisses wrote: »

at least the topic is weather related !!

And this week there is quite a difference of opinion between the ME and the MTC forecasts

And as long as the discussions are not ending up in flame wars and insults i can't see nothing wrong with it (and i am surprised/pissed of as well by the sometimes inaccurate forecasting by ME )

And to called it "nonsense bashing" is not on i think .. you of all people shouldknow they are wrong a lot of times

This morning now Met Eireann are more or less going with what MT forecast last week, they say rain tomorrow and now the weekend will be fine and warm despite saying earlier the weather would break down on Saturday with cooler conditions, I dont like to knock them but there is no doubt they are not getting it right at present.

weisses

Storm 10 wrote: »

This morning now Met Eireann are more or less going with what MT forecast last week, they say rain tomorrow and now the weekend will be fine and warm despite saying earlier the weather would break down on Saturday with cooler conditions, I dont like to knock them but there is no doubt they are not getting it right at present.

Whenever they forecasting fog drifting in or drizzle they are very accurate (for where i live anyway) the bastards

weisses

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Funny thing is, most of the complaints are not caused by ME's accuarcy just morons' inability to listen to a forecast properly. E.g people hearing ''showers in the north-west'' and take it as every will get showers, then give out stink about ME because there was no showers in Wexford.

If they updated their forecast more then once every day maybe they get a bit more reliable example they use the data from 9 am in their 1 pm forecast and there are more examples of their inaccurate forecasting etc
so instead of calling people "morons" who are not agreeing with your ME fanboyism you think before talking nonsense

and Su campu giving that a thumbs up says it all

Storm 10

weisses wrote: »

If they updated their forecast more then once every day maybe they get a bit more reliable example they use the data from 9 am in their 1 pm forecast and there are more examples of their inaccurate forecasting etc
so instead of calling people "morons" who are not agreeing with your ME fanboyism you think before talking nonsense

and Su campu giving that a thumbs up says it all

Look this is where I am coming from I know when they they say rain in the West it does not always happen in your area, Once some friends wanted to go to the Aran Islands, the forecast was for rain for the day in the West so they decided not to go, you guessed it the day was smashing with no rain at all and that was in the City and the Aran Islands. As weisses says they should update more often as it changes by the hour.

I dont like it when some guys on the board here knock people down for asking/posting questions. some people take things to seriously and feel they are more up to speed with the weather than everyone else.

johngalway

Storm 10 wrote: »

Once some friends wanted to go to the Aran Islands, the forecast was for rain for the day in the West so they decided not to go, you guessed it the day was smashing with no rain at all.

I've often heard that Aran has it's own micro climate (if that's the right term).

jArgHA

johngalway wrote: »

I've often heard that Aran has it's own micro climate (if that's the right term).

Yes it's true I've often been out there with cracking weather when it has been dark and rainy back on the mainland, even as close as Galway city. Was there week of June bank holiday this year, which was shocking weather on the mainland (strong winds and plenty of rain), but we had plenty of sun and came back with a bad case of Irish tan aka sunburn. The ME forecast was totally inconsistent every day with the actual weather out there (apart from the wind predictions).

weisses

Storm 10 wrote: »

Look this is where I am coming from I know when they they say rain in the West it does not always happen in your area, Once some friends wanted to go to the Aran Islands, the forecast was for rain for the day in the West so they decided not to go, you guessed it the day was smashing with no rain at all. As weisses says they should update more often as it changes by the hour.

I dont like it when some guys on the board here knock people down for asking/posting questions. some people take things to seriously and feel they are more up tp speed with the weather than everyone else.

couldn't agree more its tough predicting in this climate where in 1 town the sun is splitting rocks and 3 miles down the road its pissing rain for the whole day

And then you get a forecast like this

Today

Cloudy at first today with patches of mist and drizzle in many places. These will generally clear through the morning, and most places will be dry from the afternoon onwards. Warm and close again today with highest temperatures of 18 to 20 degrees and light winds.

Tonight

Misty conditions will re-occur tonight, but otherwise the night will be dry with lowest temperatures of 12 or 13 degrees.

Tomorrow

Outbreaks of light rain will gradually spread eastwards during tomorrow.

and i like the picture that says cloudy with rain over here when its almost clear skies from here to killarney ... they couldn't even agree among themselves in the forecast

snowstreams

jArgHA wrote: »

Yes it's true I've often been out there with cracking weather when it has been dark and rainy back on the mainland, even as close as Galway city. Was there week of June bank holiday this year, which was shocking weather on the mainland (strong winds and plenty of rain), but we had plenty of sun and came back with a bad case of Irish tan aka sunburn. The ME forecast was totally inconsistent every day with the actual weather out there (apart from the wind predictions).

The islands seem to get far more sunshine than the mainland alright. Especially when there is lots of convection going on.
On some days the entire mainland of ireland could be cloudy but from looking at the satellite you can see that there is no clouds at all out over the sea.
I got my worst ever sunburn out there onetime. The weather was predicted to be cloudy so i didnt bring suncream, it was a painful mistake! Everyone back on the mainland wondered if i had gone abroad for the sun because it was so cloudy and showery there.

BEASTERLY

weisses wrote: »

If they updated their forecast more then once every day maybe they get a bit more reliable example they use the data from 9 am in their 1 pm forecast and there are more examples of their inaccurate forecasting etc
so instead of calling people "morons" who are not agreeing with your ME fanboyism you think before talking nonsense

and Su campu giving that a thumbs up says it all

Fanboyism? Seriously its a government organisation were talking about not a soccer club:rolleyes: Im only saying it as I see it from past experience. If you want to take as im calling you a moron then thats your problem, i was just referring to the countless morons make that mistake before then blame the forecast.

Su Campu giving it thumbs up only says he agrees with the point, or could you enlighten us to what ''it all'' means.

weisses

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Fanboyism? Seriously its a government organisation were talking about not a soccer club:rolleyes: Im only saying it as I see it from past experience. If you want to take as im calling you a moron then thats your problem, i was just referring to the countless morons make that mistake before then blame the forecast.

Su Campu giving it thumbs up only says he agrees with the point, or could you enlighten us to what ''it all'' means.

I think your post doesn't add anything to the discussion (maybe a few people get a bit offended about the language used)

I could say he's giving the thumbs up for you calling some people morons

Meanwhile ME is saying overcast with possible rain here and its clear blue skies for miles around .. that's the discussion here

Maybe its an idea to get one ME FECKS UP AGAIN (rant) topic sticky it so all people can post in there and maybe ME will use it for some constructive feedback

Tom Cruises Left Nut

Just my personal opinion but ME are not the weather and this is a weather forum.

If I had an issue with a company / body I would email them directly.

Again not trying to get at anyone, thats just my opinion.

BEASTERLY

weisses wrote: »

I think your post doesn't add anything to the discussion (maybe a few people get a bit offended about the language used)

I could say he's giving the thumbs up for you calling some people morons

Meanwhile ME is saying overcast with possible rain here and its clear blue skies for miles around .. that's the discussion here

LOL, read my previous post, you have just proven my point 100%. People complaining because the think the entire ME forecast is for their local village only:rolleyes:. For example for the vast majority of the country it is overcast with bits of rain.

http://www.sat24.com/gb

dsmythy

For tomorrow ME don't write anything about temperature but their graphic shows temps at 21 at the highest. MT goes 23-27. That's some difference for a next day forecast.

Danno

Lads, the forecast for this week was/is one of the messiest conditions to predict after snow. In this humid flow, a drizzle shower can dump down on the flow side of the hills, whilst it's sunny on the lee.

Think of a moist SW flow, Dingle is drizzle all day, even light rain, whereas Tralee is under part cloud and sunshine. These two towns are barely 30 miles apart yet it can be two totally different days.

That is the way of it. ME don't have the time on TV to explain this as RTE put savage time constraints on broadcasts to make way for advertising. There is no web team in ME headquarters and have to outsource all work, again on a tight budget.

The way forward for more detailed forecasts is either, increase taxes to pay for Met Eireann to have a more extensive service, or to visit ameteur online websites, IWN, IWO and Boards374.

weisses

BEASTERLY wrote: »

LOL, read my previous post, you have just proven my point 100%. People complaining because the think the entire ME forecast is for their local village only:rolleyes:. For example for the vast majority of the country it is overcast with bits of rain.

http://www.sat24.com/gb

In an earlier post i said clear skies from where i live all the way to killarney .... So the only thing you are proofing is that you only read what suits you:rolleyes:

Ohh and according to your latest post the ME forecast is wrong .... And that is what i was saying all along ....... Im happy we finaly agree

weisses

Danno wrote: »

Lads, the forecast for this week was/is one of the messiest conditions to predict after snow. In this humid flow, a drizzle shower can dump down on the flow side of the hills, whilst it's sunny on the lee.

Think of a moist SW flow, Dingle is drizzle all day, even light rain, whereas Tralee is under part cloud and sunshine. These two towns are barely 30 miles apart yet it can be two totally different days.

That is the way of it. ME don't have the time on TV to explain this as RTE put savage time constraints on broadcasts to make way for advertising. There is no web team in ME headquarters and have to outsource all work, again on a tight budget.

The way forward for more detailed forecasts is either, increase taxes to pay for Met Eireann to have a more extensive service, or to visit ameteur online websites, IWN, IWO and Boards374.

I agree with almost everything you say ..... But if you make a forecast as an national weather service you do it 100% or not at all ..... Thats why you get discussions on wtf is goin on in there .... I dont know with how much budget and people they are working ..... There is much difference in weather in ireland thats why its so important that you can rely on accurate mountain and coastal forecasts from ME ..... Right now they make a mess out of things imo

BEASTERLY

weisses wrote: »

I agree with almost everything you say ..... But if you make a forecast as an national weather service you do it 100% or not at all ..... Thats why you get discussions on wtf is goin on in there .... I dont know with how much budget and people they are working ..... There is much difference in weather in ireland thats why its so important that you can rely on accurate mountain and coastal forecasts from ME ..... Right now they make a mess out of things imo

Maybe you could point out a national weather service that does it ''100%''? Believe me, there isn't one.

Danno

Just to re-enforce my earlier point... staff cutbacks means less time for forecasters to work on giving forecasts to the media. They have to concentrate on producing forecasts for aviation as this is the priority, not from some lad taking a hike up a mountain.

They don't have the budget for an inhouse web service, the bit they have is outsourced and they simply have a login to put up daily forecasts. Nearly all the charts on ME.ie are automated.

RTE are very strict on the time ME get to broadcast forecasts. RTE are only interested in advertising and probably would drop half of the forecasts if the Govt allowed it.

Under the above constraints it is impossible to give a 100% forecast and to make sure that Farmer Joe out on the Barra peninsula can go and shear his sheep today, outdoors.

IMHO, Met Eireann give a good service for fairly limited resources, in what must be one of the most difficult regions to forecast in on the face of the planet.

weisses

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Maybe you could point out a national weather service that does it ''100%''? Believe me, there isn't one.

no met office is 100 % i meant give 100% effort

If you cant run a website just close it down

But just keep ignoring the valid points made here ... So far you only proved my point

BEASTERLY

weisses wrote: »

no met office is 100 % i meant give 100% effort

If you cant run a website just close it down

But just keep ignoring the valid points made here ... So far you only proved my point

:rolleyes: Good man, i havnt proven any of your points, because you actually havnt made any! But if it makes you feel better you can keep spouting that ****e if youd like, doesnt bother me!

Anyway, im out of this thread as once the axe grinding process has started theres is no stopping it...

weisses

BEASTERLY wrote: »

:rolleyes: Good man, i havnt proven any of your points, because you actually havnt made any! But if it makes you feel better you can keep spouting that ****e if youd like, doesnt bother me

Again try reading properly instead of acting like a little troll ..... The only thing u probably managed is to get this thread locked .... Kudos for that .... Bye now

johngalway

Danno wrote: »

Under the above constraints it is impossible to give a 100% forecast and to make sure that Farmer Joe out on the Barra peninsula can go and shear his sheep today, outdoors.

Call me paranoid But was that meant for me?

Deep Easterly

weisses wrote: »

If they updated their forecast more then once every day maybe they get a bit more reliable example they use the data from 9 am in their 1 pm forecast and there are more examples of their inaccurate forecasting etc

Met Eireann update their forecast at least twice a day on their website. How many times though do you need a forecast updated in anyone day? there are only so many ways you can tell people it is going to drizzle!

However, if they were to update their forecast more often I am pretty sure the likes of yourself & Storm 10 would start complaining that the forecasts are constantly changing and contradicting earlier ones (see S10's earlier post)

As to fanboyism, maybe some people just have the cop on to know that doing up a forecast for an entire country in a way the general public will understand is not the easiest thing in the world to do.

Su Campu

This thread is becoming another mud-slinging match. Guys, keep the personal insults down or you will get a 7 day ban - period.

To answer weisses' question (not that I have to) as to why I gave beasterly a thumbs up - from personal experience (and not on boards) I hear people saying things like "where's that bloody sun we were to get today", etc. when in fact if they had properly listened to the forecast they would have heard that the sun was for later on, or somewhere else, etc. People only seem to hear certain key words in a forecast, like rain, sun, warm, cold - while filtering out the other important words, like "....in the west", "...in the afternoon", etc. Their ignorance is then put down as ME's incompetence, or as weisses puts it - laziness. That's why I agree with Beasterly's point.

ME use four different models in their forecasts, plus of course their own experience and knowledge. When you have, as was stated earlier, such a mild southwesterly airmass, and the models are chopping and changing in their finer details, then it's nigh on impossible to get a 100% accurate forecast for the whole country. The current setup is walking a very fine line between cloudiness and clear, with fractions dictating where gets the cloud. HiRLAM may help somewhat, but the ECMWF, from which the HiRLAM gets its initial conditions, has been having some problems with upper features the last few days, leading to some errors down the line. Garbage in, garbage out. So IMO there's nothing wrong with ME refining their forecasts as new data come in - something some people seem to have a problem with.

Anyway, if everyone wants to have a discussion on ME's forecasts, then no problem. Just do it in a civil and courteous fashion, otherwise bans will be issued.

jon burrows

I am planning on going to Donabate beach tomorrow based on MT's forecast of 23-27oC. ME are only saying 20-22, probably wouldn't go based on that. Although MT is very accurate in his forecast so I think I'll go anyway.

Chicken1

Well as the original OP says it they really got it wrong today, I watched the 6pm and the 9pm news last night and at the end of both the weather forecast for Galway Races today was sunshine, he even gave a warning about the high sunshine index at Galway Races for today and warned people to be aware. So what went wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont anyone say they did not get it wrong today, as the commentator from the races on RTE has just said "Its chilly here today" :mad:

mickger844posts

Chicken1 wrote: »

Well as the original OP says it they really got it wrong today, I watched the 6pm and the 9pm news last night and at the end of both the weather forecast for Galway Races today was sunshine, he even gave a warning about the high sunshine index at Galway Races for today and warned people to be aware. So what went wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont anyone say they did not get it wrong today, as the commentator from the races on RTE has just said "Its chilly here today" :mad:

Saw both forecasts with Gerry Murphy yesterday and he did say the sunburn index would be high and that it would be a nice day after a cloudy start in the East. Here in Waterford its been mostly cloudy today with a cool NNW breeze. Very disappointing after what was forecasted. I think all forecasters are having trouble this week getting it right.

compsys

mickger844posts wrote: »

Saw both forecasts with Gerry Murphy yesterday and he did say the sunburn index would be high and that it would be a nice day after a cloudy start in the East. Here in Waterford its been mostly cloudy today with a cool NNW breeze. Very disappointing after what was forecasted. I think all forecasters are having trouble this week getting it right.

In fairness I think Met E's forecast all this week has been fairly spot on and far more accurate than MT's (no disrespect MT). I mean MT was forecasting temps of up to 24 degrees today which didn't happen at all, yet you don't hear people lambasting him. I think Met E should get credit when it's due.

traecy1

Chicken1 wrote: »

Well as the original OP says it they really got it wrong today, I watched the 6pm and the 9pm news last night and at the end of both the weather forecast for Galway Races today was sunshine, he even gave a warning about the high sunshine index at Galway Races for today and warned people to be aware. So what went wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dont anyone say they did not get it wrong today, as the commentator from the races on RTE has just said "Its chilly here today" :mad:

He did say that it would be cooler and fresher today. I think the sunburn warning was for the whole country rather than just the Galway races. Admittedly there was a lot of cloud around the country today but it only produced the odd spit of drizzle here and there. Nothing to get excited about in my opinion.

km79

im glad they got it wrong for today here got the lawn cut

Chicken1

Met a family in Galway City this morning who were planning a trip to the Cliffs of Moher but after hearing the weather on radio this morning which forecast rain spreading from the West they cancelled, we have had about ten minutes of drizzle here at around 2pm its clearing now and this morning was lovely and sunny. Boy but they got this wrong as well.

In fairness MT was not correct either
Wednesday, 3 August, 2011
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TODAY ... Cloudy, warm and humid, with just a few brief sunny intervals in north Leinster and parts of Ulster this morning. Rain slowly moving into west Munster this morning and reaching Connacht, east Munster by afternoon, rest of Ireland by this evening. Rainfall amounts 5-10 mms in south and west. Highs near 17 in the rain but 19-21 C further east and in most of Ulster. Winds gradually increasing to SSE 15-25 mph.

thetonynator

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

They made a big boo boo today. Whats goin on ME!

In fairness its just one of those days. We don't need someone to blame every time they, or any other forecaster, are a bit off.

John.Icy

Christ. Weather is unpredictable folks....Jesus, 5 year olds would know that by now.

Met Eireann go by what the computers show, they make the forecast based on that, the models then have a 100 mile swing, which is a total pile of nothing with some of the models, and their forecast won't be totally accurate. If anyone watches models during Winter, I'm sure they'd agree that from the Oz through to the 18z, there's 100 mile corrections from all over the shop, similar outcomes, but for troughs and fronts as such, they can appear, dissapear, re-appear further south and so on. Within a few hours, things go wrong, again using last winter, Snow being forecast, not getting it, snow not being forecast in huge amounts, then you end up with several inches after falling. Things change, things go wrong, forecasts aren't always going to be 100% accurate, so deal with it. It's the weather, it's never been predictable, most likely never will be.

If your so fed up of Met Eireann, stop watching/listening, sure there's many other places to go, but if you think think they'll be 100% right, your wrong.

dexter647

Well said john.Icy...All this met eireann bashing over the last few weeks is getting very tiring. They are doing there best on a limited budget, and as already stated, with the readings the models give..Tbh since early jan this year all the models have seemed to be pretty unrealible past 48 hrs or so which makes it very hard for every forecaster..

Su Campu

Again the HiRLAM has had a stinker. Last night it was forecasting pretty substantial rain for a lot of the country today, but in this morning's run that rain forecast had all but vanished. That's not ME's fault. They would use that model for refining their forecasts, so if it does a 180 like that literally overnight then what chance have they?

Why doesn't Met Eireann televise a proper forecast in the mornings for the next 12 hours? Surely they could manage that.

The forecast after 9pm news give rain yesterday/today, but it was dry in then NW all this week

redsteveireland

salonfire wrote: »

Why doesn't Met Eireann televise a proper forecast in the mornings for the next 12 hours? Surely they could manage that.

The forecast after 9pm news give rain yesterday/today, but it was dry in then NW all this week

Seriously? Still? The NW is a big place. I can look out my window any day and see a shower that never came near me.
In fairness she was extra cautious and stressed that showers may or may not get everyone.

traecy1

salonfire wrote: »

Why doesn't Met Eireann televise a proper forecast in the mornings for the next 12 hours? Surely they could manage that.

The forecast after 9pm news give rain yesterday/today, but it was dry in then NW all this week

The forecast was for well scattered showers for today, which if you looked at the rainfall radar throughout the day, was correct. Just because your area didn't get a shower doesn't mean there was none anywhere else. There are televised forecasts giving details for the next 24 hours after news bulletins during the mornings. Usually Nuala Carey or someone like that presents them. The main forecasts are after the evening news, this is when most people are likely to be viewing the television. There are radio forecasts at about 7:55am, 12:50pm, 6:00pm and just before midnight so I don't think there are a lack of weather forecasts by Met Eireann.

Oscar Bravo

And to be fair to Met Eireann the website is useually updated 4 times a day,early morning around 0530,1130,1630 and of late 2130.With regard showers,its hit and miss,it could be wet where you are and 5 miles(less)down the road it could be dry.