Saint Mary Magdalene

alex73

Happened to come across the relic of the arm of Mary Magdalene while on a retreat in a Greek Monastery. In the day that's in it, lets remember the woman of faith who teaches us that only those without sin can condemn those who have sinned.

PatricaMcKay

http://www.vitae-patrum.org.uk/page46.html

St Pelagia I always found very interesting.

PDN

There is no evidence in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was ever a prostitute. That appears to have originated in a 6th Century sermon by Pope Gregory I.

antiskeptic

PDN wrote: »

There is no evidence in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was ever a prostitute. That appears to have originated in a 6th Century sermon by Pope Gregory I.

.mutter..mutter..Magisterium..mutter..sacred Tradition..mutter..OTC..mutter..

alex73

PDN wrote: »

There is no evidence in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was ever a prostitute. That appears to have originated in a 6th Century sermon by Pope Gregory I.

Well they were going to stone her? What did she do?

lmaopml

Mary is a Doctor of the Church. She is only one of three known Mary's in the Gospels, or maybe four, I'm not sure? - Maybe somebody could clarify... Mary's in the bible - well, it's not known which was the fallen woman who was condemned to be stoned to death. It seems that history treated Mary Magdelene unkindly ( I think an apology and clarification was issued from Rome when it was a commonly held belief? ) Mary Magdelene was portrayed as the fallen woman who was 'saved' - However, the truth is, that it could very well be another 'Mary' and not Mary Magdelene. Mary Magdelene was one of the first to see the risen Christ - she holds a special place - but not the same one that a Dan Brown fan might believe.

PDN

alex73 wrote: »

Well they were going to stone her? What did she do?

Really? Who was going to stone Mary Magdalene?

PatricaMcKay

PDN wrote: »

There is no evidence in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was ever a prostitute. That appears to have originated in a 6th Century sermon by Pope Gregory I.

I have heard that from Eastern Orthodox people, not saying that ALL Eastern Orthodox believe that, but its interesting to here from someone who isnt Eastern Orthodox.

lmaopml

It should also be useful to learn it from somebody who is Roman Catholic too? No? No matter what one may 'hear' from the old faith etc. ? The Catholic Church never made it a 'common understanding' under direct edict or dogma, that Mary Magdalene was the woman who was saved by Jesus from stoning to death by her accusers - a Pope gave a 'sermon' - the end! ...In fact, she recognised the ambiguity in Scripture after the all too common 'loooongg' time that elapses to pronouce it. Which is prudent imo.

Mary Magdalene is 'Apostle to the Apostles' in the Catholic Church. Nough said.

alex73

@lmaopml I stand corrected... I changed the title of the thread.

Onesimus

Just out of interest.....has anyone got that homily by His Holiness Pope Gregory?

getz

the plot thickens,mary of magdala was the closest to jesus,she is more than just mentioned in the many of the early writings of jesus,all rejected by the early church fathers,and some of the jewish/christain apostles,because of the belief that woman should not be educated,[quote;what would she know she is just a woman]we know little about mary magdalene except the fact she had enough income to support jesus on his travels, forget the dan brown ideas,but one thing is sure,she must have bee close to jesus ,to be allowed to go with mary mother of jesus and his sister to anoint his his dead naked body with oil,at that period of time un-married women who were not blood relatives were not allowed to touch a naked male body,[even kissing on the mouth was believed to make you pregnent] pity the church rejected and destroyed most of the eighty original jesus writings,

gimmebroadband

St. Mary Magdelene "The Penitent"


St. Luke records that she was a notorious sinner, and had seven devils removed from her. She was present at Our Lords' Crucifixion, and with Joanna and Mary, the mother of James and Salome, at Jesus' empty tomb.

More......

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=83

PDN

gimmebroadband wrote: »

St. Mary Magdelene "The Penitent"


St. Luke records that she was a notorious sinner, and had seven devils removed from her. She was present at Our Lords' Crucifixion, and with Joanna and Mary, the mother of James and Salome, at Jesus' empty tomb.

Really? Could you please tell us the reference where Luke says that she was a notorious sinner?

gimmebroadband

PDN wrote: »

Really? Could you please tell us the reference where Luke says that she was a notorious sinner?

Luke 7:37

PDN

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Luke 7:37

Doesn't mention Mary Magdalene, does it?

gimmebroadband

PDN wrote: »

Doesn't mention Mary Magdalene, does it?

You're right!!

I found another link that suggests the two aren't the same!

http://www.ucatholic.com/saints/saint-mary-magdalene/

getz

all i would expect from a church is truth and accuracy,what the roman church has said is certainly no true or accurate

Onesimus

St.Mary Magdelene was being stoned for commiting adultry. all one has to do is examine the Jewish law for deaths punishable by stoning. One of them was adultery.

Has anyone got the text to His holiness homily? would be interesting to read it in its proper context.

PDN

Onesimus wrote: »

St.Mary Magdelene was being stoned for commiting adultry. all one has to do is examine the Jewish law for deaths punishable by stoning. One of them was adultery.

Has anyone got the text to His holiness homily? would be interesting to read it in its proper context.

The Bible does not mention Mary Magdalene in connection with adultery. All one has to do is to open the Bible and read it.

JimiTime

Its mad how the whole 'Mary Magdelene the protitute who was going to be stoned' gathers legs and is accepted. It wasn't until fairly recently that it was pointed out that the common Mary Magdalene story was not actually the fact I once thought it was. Yet I read that passage many times and never really thought about it any other way. Its mad. Just shows the power of planting an idea.

getz

JimiTime wrote: »

Its mad how the whole 'Mary Magdelene the protitute who was going to be stoned' gathers legs and is accepted. It wasn't until fairly recently that it was pointed out that the common Mary Magdalene story was not actually the fact I once thought it was. Yet I read that passage many times and never really thought about it any other way. Its mad. Just shows the power of planting an idea.

the roman church planted that lie for their own agenda,no other christian church ever believed it,

Ghost Buster

alex73 wrote: »

Happened to come across the relic of the arm of Mary Magdalene while on a retreat in a Greek Monastery. In the day that's in it, lets remember the woman of faith who teaches us that only those without sin can condemn those who have sinned.

They kept her arm or a bit of it?
Thats nasty! Is this sort of thing common in Christianity?

JimiTime

Ghost Buster wrote: »

They kept her arm or a bit of it?
Thats nasty! Is this sort of thing common in Christianity?

No, its common in Roman Catholocism though. Ever here of St Peters Church in Drogheda? thats where the head of Oliver Plunkett is.

Theres also things like a claim by a church in Belgium (I think) to have some dried out breast milk from Mary from when she was feeding Jesus. Crazy stuff.

getz

Ghost Buster wrote: »

They kept her arm or a bit of it?
Thats nasty! Is this sort of thing common in Christianity?

its all tradition without any fact,during the crusades every man and his dog,wanted to collect so called holy relics.no one knows what happened to mary,simply because the church in the third century eliminated any mention of mary from the scriptures,and tried to down play her part in early christianity,bede called her a prostitute,yet we know she herself was a women of means,and supported jesus with her own money, only jewish males were educated ,so women were deemed not worthy,if any of the church leaders had bothered to read their own book,it would not of taken over a thousand years to rectify their mistake,

Ghost Buster

Not meaning to derail the thread and Mods please advise if i am but isnt it a little disrespectful to the dead and perhaps uncatholic to lop off a bit of a corpse before burial or entombment or what ever and to keep it?
Seems very at odds with Catholicism. From a bit of a Google it seems that this is not a relic (:D) of catholicism but actually continues to this day.
It strikes me as barbaric:eek:

getz

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Not meaning to derail the thread and Mods please advise if i am but isnt it a little disrespectful to the dead and perhaps uncatholic to lop off a bit of a corpse before burial or entombment or what ever and to keep it?
Seems very at odds with Catholicism. From a bit of a Google it seems that this is not a relic (:D) of catholicism but actually continues to this day.
It strikes me as barbaric:eek:

only barbaric in this day and age,in the not to long passed it was common practice for the bones of dead saints to be shared between churches and states,every one wanted a holy relic to bring in the devout [and wealthy] to their church,read an allegory by john bunyan, pilgrims progress published in 1678,

Slav

Ghost Buster wrote: »

isnt it a little disrespectful to the dead and perhaps uncatholic to lop off a bit of a corpse before burial or entombment or what ever and to keep it?

No, nobody chops bodies before burial. However is someone is proclaimed a saint then normally the body is exhumed and becomes a relic.

lmaopml

The piece of cloth or clothing, the relic, of a saint, or even the body of a saint don't in and of themselves convey grace - never have - obviously. They are simply a way of making physical the connection with the saint, and concentrating prayer, asking for intercession and for the saint to pray for us too. I think every Christian knows when they say a prayer filled with power and desperation etc. It's going to shoot right up - Like the prayer of a righteous soul.

I know some don't believe that the living saints do pray for us, or hear our prayers, but Catholics do! We believe that Christ conquered death, literally really really believe that he conquered death - and the saints don't need the internet to respond to request for prayers on our behalf, as part of our family ever joyfully living because of the gift we've been given in Jesus - They are only too happy to pray for us and also to set the example...

So, if you look at Oliver Plunkett, with his sparce hair etc. lol ( which I hope to do soon, as I am taking a break for a couple of weeks down that way :-) ) And will most likely drop in to see Oliver and ask him to remember me in his prayers..

Don't think of the medieval aspect, the ( Dante ) version of everything.. think - WOW! It's nice to meet you and to have the ability to concentrate my prayer and think of you and how you were a 'true' saint.

Jesus himself spat on clay and cured a blind man. Did he have to do that? No.....He wasn't scared of becoming 'human' and all the crude and bodily stuff that it entails, he wasn't afraid of being human, the 'body' etc. - he was NOT afraid of the physical - He became it! He didn't require everything to be 'spirit' and imaterial representations etc. etc....but he understood the ways the spirit would use the physical material world to his ends - just like he did only a short step in time ago. The miraculous is still very much with us - if only we had faith enough.