Busier roads seem to get right of way onto roundabouts

Rabidlamb

I come out of an Industrial Est every evening I could be waiting for ages to get onto the main road roundabout cause the main road traffic believe they have right of way.
As they form a constant stream there is no way to butt in until the exit road backs up then someone will let you on.
I always thought that you were meant to yield at roundabouts but apparently not if your in a train of traffic.
Anyway, it's not policed so it's a moot point.

harry21

Ya yield, so if nothing is coming from their right they just cruise though meaning your stuck.

Tough luck I'm afraid :rolleyes:

Rabidlamb

If I pulled out I'd be done wouldn't I, cause they were on the roundabout first.
I believe a stinger should be allowed in these situations.
It's a roundabout, take a number.

Rabidlamb

Rabidlamb wrote: »

............I always thought that you were meant to yield at roundabouts but apparently not if your in a train of traffic.
Anyway, it's not policed so it's a moot point.

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Yield to traffic coming from the right, ie stuff already on the roundabout.

keithclancy

Roundabout .... another bloody leftover from the Brits

Delta Kilo

That was the reason why the roundabout at the Arch de Triomphe in Paris has the opposite rules to every other roundabout. Those entering the roundabout have right of way, so traffic already on the roundabout has to slow down and give way to traffic joining the roundabout. It is unusual and scary when you see it, but it works, otherwise nobody would be able to get on the roundabout at all!

_Kaiser_

As a general rule I can't stand roundabouts - most drivers don't know how to use them (remember the infamous "which lane should I be in" monster thread here a few months back??), nobody indicates on them and (as the OP says) on a busy one you could be waiting ages to get across.

Lazy excuse for a proper signal-controlled junction IMO

dell1211

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I come out of an Industrial Est every evening I could be waiting for ages to get onto the main road roundabout cause the main road traffic believe they have right of way.
As they form a constant stream there is no way to butt in until the exit road backs up then someone will let you on.
I always thought that you were meant to yield at roundabouts but apparently not if your in a train of traffic.
Anyway, it's not policed so it's a moot point.

Similar situation as yourself. People dont realise that the car already on the roundabout has the right of way. So in my case I am entering the roundabout from a stationary position(as I have to stop to be able to see if its clear because my lane comes from an underground car park) so my car will be 30% onto the roundabout before the cars coming from the exit before mine even reach the yield sign but they approach it as such speed they think that they have the right of way and act as if I have pulled out in front of them.

Del2005

dell1211 wrote: »

Similar situation as yourself. People dont realise that the car already on the roundabout has the right of way. So in my case I am entering the roundabout from a stationary position(as I have to stop to be able to see if its clear because my lane comes from an underground car park) so my car will be 30% onto the roundabout before the cars coming from the exit before mine even reach the yield sign but they approach it as such speed they think that they have the right of way and act as if I have pulled out in front of them.

You have pulled out on them. If they are coming from the exit before yours you need to yield to them, the badly designed roundabout entrance isn't their problem. The only people who you have to yield to are people coming from your right not left.

When you reach the roundabout

Give way to traffic approaching from your right, unless signs, road markings or traffic lights tell you otherwise.

Where traffic lights control the roundabout, you must obey them.

You must obey any road markings on the lanes and/or other instructions to show what lane to use if you intend to take a particular exit from the roundabout.

Pay attention to vehicles already on the roundabout. In particular, be aware of their signals and try to judge where they plan to exit.

Watch out for other users of the road and be aware of any cyclists or motorcyclists on your left or right.

Look forward before moving on to make sure that traffic in front of you on the roundabout has moved off. This means that you will be able to move on to the roundabout without blocking any traffic coming from your right.

From ROTR, which I know isn't law but I can never find anything on the Irish Statue Book site

corktina

Del2005 wrote: »

You have pulled out on them. ]

nope...he said this "before the cars coming from the exit before mine even reach the yield sign"

langdang

corktina wrote: »

nope...he said this "before the cars coming from the exit before mine even reach the yield sign"

hmmm, for my own safety I don't pull out if there's a car travelling toward the roundabout (but not on it yet) from my right at such a pace that they'll have to brake if I pull out. Dunno if that is the correct way to interpret "yield to traffic approaching from the right" but it works for me!

dell1211

Del2005 wrote: »

You have pulled out on them. If they are coming from the exit before yours you need to yield to them, the badly designed roundabout entrance isn't their problem. The only people who you have to yield to are people coming from your right not left.



From ROTR, which I know isn't law but I can never find anything on the Irish Statue Book site

IMO the ROTR quoted above is an abreviated version and can be therefore can be misinterpreted.

Would whats contained in your quote above not refer to traffic that are already on the roundabout and approaching from the right, not traffic who are on a road leading to the roundabout, as I said I am already on the roundabout before they even arrive at the roundabout.

Taken from http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7604-0.pdf

ROUNDABOUTS
The specific rule relating to roundabouts is contained in Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997- article 15 requires that “a driver shall enter a roundabout by turning to the left”
The following should also be carefully noted:
You should:
60
• Treat the roundabout as a normal junction, which means you yield right of way to traffic approaching on the roundabout.

delta_bravo

Rabidlamb wrote: »

It's a roundabout, take a number.

Emm is that how you actually think roundabouts work?

Antikythera

keithclancy wrote: »

Roundabout .... another bloody leftover from the Brits

Idiotic statement.

Idleater

dell1211 wrote: »

Similar situation as yourself. People dont realise that the car already on the roundabout has the right of way. So in my case I am entering the roundabout from a stationary position(as I have to stop to be able to see if its clear because my lane comes from an underground car park) so my car will be 30% onto the roundabout before the cars coming from the exit before mine even reach the yield sign but they approach it as such speed they think that they have the right of way and act as if I have pulled out in front of them.

This is very easy to do on the motorbike.
The other one that's legal but you do have to be confident, is to turn left from the left (of two) when someone is approaching from the right but in the right of two lanes on the roundabout. i.e. you assume (yes I know ) that the right lane hogger is not for some reason going to suddenly head for the left lane exiting the roundabout. Obviously this is about timing and not pulling out in front of someone, more like filtering beside and behind them, and of course it only applies to the larger roundabouts.

Cabaal

keithclancy wrote: »

Roundabout .... another bloody leftover from the Brits

Yeah because they are a foolish idea.
So foolish they've been adopted the world over as a much petter alternative to junctions as they allow the traffic to flow better.

God damn English and their good ideas
:rolleyes:

Next topic:
What have the Romans ever done for us?

:pac:

-Chris-

Antikythera wrote: »

Idiotic statement.

Post constructively or don't post at all.

MarkR

Cabaal wrote: »

Yeah because they are a foolish idea.
So foolish they've been adopted the world over as a much petter alternative to junctions as they allow the traffic to flow better.

God damn English and their good ideas
:rolleyes:

Next topic:
What have the Romans ever done for us?

:pac:

Well, at least they aren't the romans...

keithclancy

Cabaal wrote: »

Yeah because they are a foolish idea.
So foolish they've been adopted the world over as a much petter alternative to junctions as they allow the traffic to flow better.

God damn English and their good ideas
:rolleyes:

Next topic:
What have the Romans ever done for us?

:pac:

I never said they were a bad idea:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13863498

daedalus2097

Idleater wrote: »

This is very easy to do on the motorbike.
The other one that's legal but you do have to be confident, is to turn left from the left (of two) when someone is approaching from the right but in the right of two lanes on the roundabout. i.e. you assume (yes I know ) that the right lane hogger is not for some reason going to suddenly head for the left lane exiting the roundabout. Obviously this is about timing and not pulling out in front of someone, more like filtering beside and behind them, and of course it only applies to the larger roundabouts.

Thing is with that method though, is that if they're coming from the entrance opposite yours and heading for the same exit as yours, and it only has one lane leading out, they have the right of way to pull left across you.

Antikythera

-Chris- wrote: »

keithclancy wrote: »

Roundabout .... another bloody leftover from the Brits

Antikythera wrote: »

Idiotic statement.

Post constructively or don't post at all.

His statement is idiotic and offensive, not to mention unconstructive.

Milton Keynes, in Buckinghamshire, is built on a grid system and has a roundabout at every intersection. I spent many hours navigating these roads when I was in the airfreight business and cannot recall ever being stuck in a traffic jam.

Roundabouts are good for traffic flow.

In OP's case, where he is entering from a less busy road, and traffic on the roundabout can see there is slow progress ahead, all people have to do (somewhat contrary to the ethic of giving way to traffic coming from the right), is leave a gap for the odd car or two entering from the left.

It is a similar courtesy to letting people out of side roads at T junctions, and if people would only take off the blinkers, driving would be a far more enjoyable experience for everyone.

-Chris-

Antikythera wrote: »

His statement is idiotic and offensive, not to mention unconstructive.

Report any posts you have an issue with.

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Idleater

daedalus2097 wrote: »

Thing is with that method though, is that if they're coming from the entrance opposite yours and heading for the same exit as yours, and it only has one lane leading out, they have the right of way to pull left across you.

You are right, it should only work when there are two proper lanes on exit. I forgot to put in that point in my post.
Anyway, I do this moreso on the motorbike than car as it's easier to get out of the way should the other car swerve across. But it can work in heavy traffic in the car due to both lanes actually following their respective paths. Left turners not making progress because something is approaching from the right even though a lane is free is what backs the system up.

Antikythera

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Fuuck off you silly cuunt.

Glib enough?

-Chris-

Antikythera wrote: »

Fuuck off you silly cuunt.

Glib enough?

Banned for a month for personal abuse.

And fair play on making two different edits to the post. I don't think I would have gotten the point if you had left it as **** :rolleyes:

keithclancy

Turbo roundabouts sort alot of this out as in allot of locations its not easy to see which lane on the roundabout they are taking becuase people choose lane after they enter the roundabout.

With roundabouts in Ireland that have this problem, they tend to put traffic lights on them, which negates the whole purpose.

Basically people in a rush create the problem by tailgating and speeding to get onto the roundabout as quickly as possible.

During my first days of driving I remember I went, before another guy was on the roundabout, he came around behind me and then started beeping his horn, proceeded to follow me down the road, started walking over towards my car screaming all sorts, I got out with a hammer face melts, he runs back to his car and speeds off.

Being an inexperienced driver I thought I was in the wrong, I was freaked out though, I didnt know what he was going to do.

corktina

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what a pity he had to go off on one,, the rest of his post was actually quite good!

Del2005

dell1211 wrote: »

IMO the ROTR quoted above is an abreviated version and can be therefore can be misinterpreted.

Would whats contained in your quote above not refer to traffic that are already on the roundabout and approaching from the right, not traffic who are on a road leading to the roundabout, as I said I am already on the roundabout before they even arrive at the roundabout.

Taken from http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/7604-0.pdf

ROUNDABOUTS
The specific rule relating to roundabouts is contained in Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997- article 15 requires that “a driver shall enter a roundabout by turning to the left”
The following should also be carefully noted:
You should:
60
• Treat the roundabout as a normal junction, which means you yield right of way to traffic approaching on the roundabout.

You are emphasizing "on" but missing the approaching bit.

You aren't approaching them, they are approaching you and since a roundabout is a serious of T junctions you need to give way to the right. Would you pull into a T junction with someone approaching on the road to your right?

dell1211

Del2005 wrote: »

You are emphasizing "on" but missing the approaching bit.

You aren't approaching them, they are approaching you and since a roundabout is a serious of T junctions you need to give way to the right. Would you pull into a T junction with someone approaching on the road to your right?

Im sorry but I dont agree with you and maintain that the word "on" is the important word and unless you can show me otherwise we'll have to agree to disagree. In my case my car is 30% on the roundabout before they arrive at the yield sign so I will be well on the roundabout before they enter it.

I also found this:
http://www.theorytestadvice.co.uk/learn-to-drive/roundabouts.php

Traffic entering the roundabout must give way to traffic already on the roundabout approaching from the right.

As the other car is not yet on the roundabout why would you give way to them?

Del2005 wrote: »

Would you pull into a T junction with someone approaching on the road to your right?

Your comparison to a T junction would be like saying that my car(A) is joining a road at a T-junction has to give right of way to another car(L) that is joining the same road further up via another T junction dispite the fact that the other car(L) is not even on the road and that my car(A) will be on the road well before they are on the road(as my car(A) would both arrived at the junction before the other car(L) and will also have joined the road before the other car(L)). Illustrated on the diagram below

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corktina

you yield right of way to someone ON the roundabout, you dont have to yield to some guy approching the Yield at the entrance before yours as he isnt ON the roundabout. To use the T junction analogy, that guy is approaching the T junction BEFORE the one you are at, not on the main drag