Badger cull uk

customrifle

Just printed Financial Times for tmo(wed 20th) and there is interesting article on proposed badger cull in uk and the issue of special hunting licences for them. Wonder we we see something along those lines here?

sonofthegun

i have heard of badger culls down here in tipp all above board these were carried out on cattle farms where there was a massive population of badgers i suppose it most happen all over the contry but i would like to know who carries out such culls. no interest in it just curiosity
stog

Spunk84

They should allow farmers to cull badgers on their own land in Ireland,something like a section 42 for pesky deer;) The only problem is that from the article it has to be done with the shottie:) So unless your waiting outside their broc to them to come out, how they going to do it. Plus the antis are going to have a field day if it ever comes threw

In my younger days i witnessed an approved cull up near monaghan/glaslough area. Myself and a few others where coursing when we spotted 4 men in hi viz and a white transit van in the middle of the field near a well known broc :rolleyes: so we wandered over to them. They where city workers doing a cull that day. Farmer was a friend and he invited us in for a looksee:eek: It was actual quite good, they had one of those video snakes/rods which they put down to see what was at home. Then they fed a dog catcher loop on a rod to put over the badger neck, all the while we where watching it on a small 10 inch screen above ground.

I wont go into gorey details about what happened when the badger came out but it did involve a nice big pitch fork;) So after the 7th badger was culled they where all numbered and a fello which must of been the TB tester took samples and then they where all bagged and tagged. We where actual there for quite a long time but it was very interesting to see. The farmer had alot of cattle put down for TB so it was the reason of the cull.

Birdnuts

sonofthegun wrote: »

i have heard of badger culls down here in tipp all above board these were carried out on cattle farms where there was a massive population of badgers i suppose it most happen all over the contry but i would like to know who carries out such culls. no interest in it just curiosity
stog

AFAIK its done by DOA personal under special licence above and beyond your typical sec 42. Someone told me they use special snares but I'm not 100% on that. In any case its only done where there is persistant problems with TB reactors - there is still much debate in scientific circles as to the significance of badgers role in TB spread compared to cattle to cattle transmission. Indeed wild deer could play a more signficant role in transmission according to some of the stuff I've read - one of the reasons cattle were removed from the Phoenix park in the late 80's apparently.

homerhop

They use snares around here, also got rifles with NV scopes. Guy down here lost the whole heard and they even wanted to take his cattle dog.

Birdnuts

homerhop wrote: »

They use snares around here, also got rifles with NV scopes. Guy down here lost the whole heard and they even wanted to take his cattle dog.

In the UK its twice as common in Dairy herds compared to suckler herds. An area that needs to be looked into since dairy farming is usually more intensive then the latter.

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

In the UK its twice as common in Dairy herds compared to suckler herds. An area that needs to be looked into since dairy farming is usually more intensive then the latter.

And I'd go as far as to say in dry stock it is almost non existent

I do not believe it is the badgers, but something else.

They wiped out the badgers in my area in April and 3 farms went down with TB recently...

fallowbuck

Would the terrier-man be aloud to get in on the show if it came about here unlikely, even tho i have also seen badger,s in south tipp area been snared with a horrific outcome:eek:. Sure would be nice to see the terrier work a worthy apponent:).

Spunk84

fallowbuck wrote: »

Would the terrier-man be aloud to get in on the show if it came about here unlikely, even tho i have also seen badger,s in south tipp area been snared with a horrific outcome:eek:. Sure would be nice to see the terrier work a worthy apponent:).

In the instance if terrier work I really doubt it, the antis would really go bananas if a doggy was to be hurt. I'd say GAS,rifles and snares will be used if it's passed threw.

sonofthegun

fallowbuck wrote: »

Would the terrier-man be aloud to get in on the show if it came about here unlikely, even tho i have also seen badger,s in south tipp area been snared with a horrific outcome:eek:. Sure would be nice to see the terrier work a worthy apponent:).

jesus lad would a lone terrier stand a chance against a badger or would it take a few dogs seen a rodesian ridgeback back down against a badger a this dog wasnt a soft pet
+1 on the snares it aint pretty sight
stog

landkeeper

pmsl spunk ,the only way a terrier will kill a badger is by getting stuck in it's throat

fallowbuck

I am well aware this sport will never return thanks to the barberic fools who ruined it. I ve seen some horrible **** on the web no need to go into detail but no wonder it was banned, but the true worker of terriers would only let down 1 terrier to hold his badger at bay until his master dug to him and then the animal would be dispatched of humainly (pistol) but folk were led to believe that all terrier men were acting cruel and that was all thanks to the media and the courts :mad:.I believe badger digging is a good and fair sport when it is carried out properly it was just brought into the same category as badger baiting which is two complete different things:(

fallowbuck

sonofthegun wrote: »

jesus lad would a lone terrier stand a chance against a badger or would it take a few dogs seen a rodesian ridgeback back down against a badger a this dog wasnt a soft pet
+1 on the snares it aint pretty sight
stog

On occasions a good terrier can be capable of killing a badger but it would generally be in a confined space usually like underground. A badger would be twice its size so the heart of a terrier is something to be admired:)

ring 20

thats one good looking terrier

fallowbuck

Patterdales are a gorgeous looking terrier its great to see them working around the globe and not on some old woman's lap :rolleyes:
Check out the jagd terrier a german breed very gutsy

Eddy Hill

customrifle wrote: »

Just printed Financial Times for tmo(wed 20th) and there is interesting article on proposed badger cull in uk and the issue of special hunting licences for them. Wonder we we see something along those lines here?

Already here !

Dept of Ag have an open licence to trap and kill badgers anywhere
Badgers are vectors in the spread of disease (bovine TB)
A few years ago badgers were eradicated from large areas in Offally and Monaghan by the Dept , not sure how that turned out but despite millions of tax payers bucks expended on eradicating TB
we still have TB in cattle , some poor farm hygiene

and we still have lots of badgers

thelurcher

Does anyone remember the idiot on here that was working for a 3rd party company who had the contract down south to do the cull. He was looking to buy an air pistol to use to kill them in the snares.........:mad:
That wouldn't exactly fill you with confidence that it being carried out intelligently and humanely.

landkeeper

the auld dept is commiting badgercide anywhere it can there will be very few left the way they are carrying on, snaring through the breeding season etc etc
there are hundreds of acres round here were they have eliminated them big old long established setts empty and un used
broc will be a thing of the past in some counties soon :mad:

fallowbuck

I really can't see the reason why a man and his terrier can't go out and keep the numbers down and to hell with the anti's, it makes me so angry:mad:. The farmers benifit with having one less disease to worry about and the terrier-man benifits from having a well worth while sport been brought back. I no it will never happen but surely it would be the most affected approach. Have rules in the lines of terriers must get monthly check up's all terrier's must go to ground wearing locaters, only terrier breed can escort his/her master in this sport . There is no need for big lurcher breeds. Certain times a the month the badger can only be dug to and so on... Im just saying and guessing what could be done to get the anti's to lay off a bit maybe????? People should no the terrier was bred for this, just like the sheepdog was bred to herd sheep and the greyhound was to race.

John_Rambo

landkeeper wrote: »

broc will be a thing of the past in some counties soon

Agreed, if they keep this up kids from rural areas will be visiting cities to see wildlife. There are a few sets very near me a few clicks from Dublin city.

Anyway, it's widely known that localised badger culls increases TB on farms, the perturbation effect is well documented.

Best thing to do is leave them be.