Tolls to be rolled out right across the countries motorways.

Run_to_da_hills

EDIT POST:

A plan is being put forward to toll all motorways throughout the country including splitting up the city's M50 to include sections not covered my the Westlink.

The only way this system can operate successfully is to install ANPR / RFID gantries. Many of these gantries are already in place along stretches of the M50 as illuminated signage and just require the cameras.

When this system is fully fledged the system can track all your day to day movements and be required to hold the data for two years under the 2006 EU data retention directive. This technology can also be used for SPECS

Just make sure all your screeds are up to date and that you are not doing anything "out of line" before you hit the motorways.

On a serious note, tolls will only drive motorists on to using bidirectional secondary roads which will in turn increase road traffic accidents again and cause traffic congestion defeating the purpose of having motorways in the first place.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/toll-booth-levy-to-be-imposed-on-all-motorways-in-republic-of-ireland-16025095.html

:eek: breaking news :pac:

Big Nasty

Run_For_Your_Life!

Brazilmorgyn

Another scam to destroy the motorists of Ireland, every few months the toll charges will rise, and we will do nothing, like the speed cameras, clamping, tolls, road tax, the ministers can not think up anymore scams only screw the people,

im invisible

Problem?

Slig

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

EDIT POST:

A plan is being put forward to toll all motorways throughout the country including splitting up the city's M50 to include sections not covered my the Westlink.

The only way this system can operate successfully is to install ANPR / RFID gantries. Many of these gantries are already in place along stretches of the M50 as illuminated signage and just require the cameras.

When this system is fully fledged the system can track all your day to day movements and be required to hold the data for two years under the 2006 EU data retention directive. This technology can also be used for SPECS

Just make sure all your screeds are up to date and that you are not doing anything "out of line" before you hit the motorways.

On a serious note, tolls will only drive motorists on to using bidirectional secondary roads which will in turn increase road traffic accidents again and cause traffic congestion defeating the purpose of having motorways in the first place.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/toll-booth-levy-to-be-imposed-on-all-motorways-in-republic-of-ireland-16025095.html

Thats a moot point. The only factor that is considered is that motorway tolls will make more tax money and more tax is good

ardmacha

some of these tolls make sense. Everyone on the M50 should pay, not just those crossing the river and these should be higher at peak periods as the recent upgrade for for the benefit of those travelling at peak periods. The M9 could have a toll, it cost a lot. Some of the other ideas seem excessive.

every few months the toll charges will rise,

Sensible comment on these proposals is not helped by this type of nonsense comment. The last change in existing tolls was a decrease, it does not follow that tolls will be increased in a random manner.

Brazilmorgyn

Slig wrote: »

Thats a moot point. The only factor that is considered is that motorway tolls will make more tax money and more tax is good

Yes and when they see how much they make it will happen to more roads.

Brazilmorgyn

ardmacha wrote: »

some of these tolls make sense. Everyone on the M50 should pay, not just those crossing the river and these should be higher at peak periods as the recent upgrade for for the benefit of those travelling at peak periods. The M9 could have a toll, it cost a lot. Some of the other ideas seem excessive.



Sensible comment on these proposals is not helped by this type of nonsense comment. The last change in existing tolls was a decrease, it does not follow that tolls will be increased in a random manner.

Europe made us charge vat on tolls rem? Tolls will continue to rise because its a business . what about road tax will that decrease if we are paying more tolls? Think not

Slig

I dont know whats more disgusting, that there is this race to generate more and more tax revenue and provide less and less or that we just seem to accept it.

I have no problem with tolls, if I'm in a rush I'll take the toll road if not I just use the alternative routes, its great to have that option and there is a brilliant motorway network throughout the country because of it. I know that more often than not the toll roads are better maintained (during the snow last year the only stretch of road actually gritted and ice free between Dublin and Sligo was the tolled section of the M4) and I like to thing that at least some of the money generated goes into that.

As road tax has absolutely nothing to do with maintenance or provision of roads (LA gets a budget no matter how much or little road tax is generated) I disagree with the way that it is structured. I think it should be a flat rate tax or based on the value of the car. This combined with tolls on "good" roads would be a fair system. Dont see it happening though as there is no incentive for anyone in power to be "fair" when there are no adverse concequences

Run_to_da_hills

These tolls will further devalue properties and increase negative equity to those living on the outskirts of the capital. I also thought it was illegal to place tolls on roads when there wasn't a proper alternative particularly with ring roads. I don't know how they got away with the Westlink for so long. In Paris its the opposite, the ring roads are free.

Slig

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

These tolls will further devalue properties and increase negative equity to those living on the outskirts of the capital. I also thought it was illegal to place tolls on roads when there wasn't a proper alternative particularly with ring roads. I don't know how they got away with the Westlink for so long. In Paris its the opposite, the ring roads are free.

Ya, surely you would want people to use the ring roads rather than causing traffic problems in the city......I smell a congestion charge on the way:D

whippet

Imagine all the wasted millions on administration of more toll ... Why not abolish tolls, abolish motortax and add a 10c levy to each litre of fuel (or whatever would be tax neutral) and the end result is that the user pays

Run_to_da_hills

Slig wrote: »

Ya, surely you would want people to use the ring roads rather than causing traffic problems in the city......I smell a congestion charge on the way:D

That is when the system really tracks your movements.

If two cars are driving around central London using the same registration plates both of them are flagged automatically within an average of five minutes. They can also set them up as SPECS (Average speed cameras between several locations.)

charlemont

This better not happen.

Trampas

Have it in other countries.

I paid nearly $12 on a toll in usa the other week as you got a ticket when you got on the interstate and depending how far you went you paid for that journey.

Slig

That may cut down on admisnistration but what would be the point, we cant lay off any more public servants anyway. Innovative thinking like that will never be seen as a solution anyway. Every time a new tax is thought up the politician in charge has to back up their reasoning by "this has been done very successfully in X country"

Abolishing a golden goose like motor tax, even for a more lucrative tax gain would be completely out of the question. however, adding an extra 10c onto a litre of petrol in conjunction to existing tax would be a brilliant idea

bazzachazza

The M50 proposal is good currently it's a tax on people who only cross the river. Yet this money helped upgrade 80% of the length of the M50 and a huge amount of people have benefited from this upgrade yet rarely pay the tax.

I hope the max charge is kept at €2 to drive the full length of the M50 that way it will be fair. I imagine though that a LOT of drivers will still whine and moan about having to pay. I won't be one as I have had to pay it for the last 12 years 10 times a week.

Doylers

bazzachazza wrote: »

The M50 proposal is good currently it's a tax on people who only cross the river. Yet this money helped upgrade 80% of the length of the M50 and a huge amount of people have benefited from this upgrade yet rarely pay the tax.

I hope the max charge is kept at €2 to drive the full length of the M50 that way it will be fair. I imagine though that a LOT of drivers will still whine and moan about having to pay. I won't be one as I have had to pay it for the last 12 years 10 times a week.

Thats a sh** load of cash you have paid :eek:

Eric Cartman

bazzachazza wrote: »

The M50 proposal is good currently it's a tax on people who only cross the river. Yet this money helped upgrade 80% of the length of the M50 and a huge amount of people have benefited from this upgrade yet rarely pay the tax.

I hope the max charge is kept at €2 to drive the full length of the M50 that way it will be fair. I imagine though that a LOT of drivers will still whine and moan about having to pay. I won't be one as I have had to pay it for the last 12 years 10 times a week.

that was your choice, but it was always tolled the rest of the m50 isnt, this isnt about 1 trip or so , the nature of my work means that if i used the same routes I use every day id end up paying near 15 euro a day easily. Its just not feasable for all the businesses operating near there getting goods out from ballymount, tallaght etc..

Brazilmorgyn

Slig wrote: »

That may cut down on admisnistration but what would be the point, we cant lay off any more public servants anyway. Innovative thinking like that will never be seen as a solution anyway. Every time a new tax is thought up the politician in charge has to back up their reasoning by "this has been done very successfully in X country"

Abolishing a golden goose like motor tax, even for a more lucrative tax gain would be completely out of the question. however, adding an extra 10c onto a litre of petrol in conjunction to existing tax would be a brilliant idea

No matter what we do they screw us, road tax, tolls , speed cameras , second home tax, prescription fees clampers parking fines parking meters,
Paying to park in hospitals, airport taxes, school books, uniforms, insurance, doctors fees, school fees collage fees, bus fares, petrol prices, vrt on cars, vat on everything, ministers wages, tribunals, licence fees, driving test fees, bin charges, water rates, electricity prices, ferry prices, house values, food prices, all the time the scum bags in dail don't even pay for their meals and do a runner, print their names and shame them, this country is rotting away from the inside.

coolbeans

Brazilmorgyn wrote: »

No matter what we do they screw us, road tax, tolls , speed cameras , second home tax, prescription fees clampers parking fines parking meters,
Paying to park in hospitals, airport taxes, school books, uniforms, insurance, doctors fees, school fees collage fees, bus fares, petrol prices, vrt on cars, vat on everything, ministers wages, tribunals, licence fees, driving test fees, bin charges, water rates, electricity prices, ferry prices, house values, food prices

And in what nirvana pray tell do the fortunate citizens not pay for these things?To be honest you sound like a victim. Head over to other countries and see how rosy it is there. I've been in some serious ****holes where people have to struggle for every little thing they have. A little perspective is needed.

philstar

well the IMF have to be paid off some how

-Chris-

Brazilmorgyn wrote: »

No matter what we do they screw us, road tax, tolls , speed cameras , second home tax, prescription fees clampers parking fines parking meters,
Paying to park in hospitals, airport taxes, school books, uniforms, insurance, doctors fees, school fees collage fees, bus fares, petrol prices, vrt on cars, vat on everything, ministers wages, tribunals, licence fees, driving test fees, bin charges, water rates, electricity prices, ferry prices, house values, food prices, all the time the scum bags in dail don't even pay for their meals and do a runner, print their names and shame them, this country is rotting away from the inside.

Alright, this is the Motors forum, let's keep things Motors related rather than expanding the discussion to all of the country's current ills.

ei.sdraob

Trampas wrote: »

Have it in other countries.

I paid nearly $12 on a toll in usa the other week as you got a ticket when you got on the interstate and depending how far you went you paid for that journey.

Did you go on the Florida turnpike or something? the interstate system is free afaik

bladebrew

its not just motorways,
there is still the ongoing talk of putting a toll on the jack lynch tunnel in cork, and other ring roads,
when it was built they were going to toll it, but decided not to because nobody would use it and would just drive through the city centre instead, apparently now they have changed there mind:)

it will cause mayhem,

shedweller

I posted a link the other day highlighting how much petrol and diesel is used in Ireland per day. The total figure was something like 79,000 barrels of both petrol and diesel per day or 12.561 million litres per day. 0.10 cent per litre extra tax will net an extra 1.256 million euro per day or 458 million per year, at current fuel usage rates. Which is declining slowly due to so many people being laid off work etc.
10 cent sounds small but it will net our great leaders plenty of money. Tolling is just inefficient

Trampas

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Did you go on the Florida turnpike or something? the interstate system is free afaik

No. Trying from Buffalo to Washington.

Paid other tolls along the way but this was the most I paid.

Paid a few dollars around Chicago also

keithclancy

Between Roscoff and my House is 32 euros in Tolls

The Swiss have have that sticker you buy and it does you for the year, much better idea than having all these fancy cameras, toll gates and hiring a load of people.

Just have a 'motorway sticker' those that have them can use it, those that don't pay a big whopping fine.

Saying that ... I hate tolls, I have a bag of coins in the car, just for the purpose :P

Sure we have lots of Toll Cameras around here (Gatso) :rolleyes:

ei.sdraob

Trampas wrote: »

No. Trying from Buffalo to Washington.

Paid other tolls along the way but this was the most I paid.

Paid a few dollars around Chicago also

Hmm ok, drove the better part of 7000km there recently, only tools paid was 0.75$ by Dulles airport (no signs anywhere that it was tolled until seen a booth) and about 8$ on Florida turnpike once again no toll on the i95 going quite literary parallel to it, but it gets you thru Miami rush hour traffic faster
the interstate system itself was quite nice and free

Slig

As long as the people in charge are able to tell the difference between a motorway and a bypass (NRA?) and only put tolls on the approporate roads the system may work.
I would hate to see a system where you cant leave the house without a pocket full of change.

keithclancy

As long as they don't make an absolute balls of it like the Germans did:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/98679/High_tech_truck_toll_system_finally_launched_in_Germany

antodeco

It should be charged at a 12 hour rate. If you pay to use one section, you can use it as much as you want in that time. I see larger sales in Sat Navs because there are alot of people out there who only know the route of the M50!

Slig

antodeco wrote: »

It should be charged at a 12 hour rate. If you pay to use one section, you can use it as much as you want in that time. I see larger sales in Sat Navs because there are alot of people out there who only know the route of the M50!

The m50 is grand, I dont have a tag as I'll rarely use it but I am video registered. The way around is a pain in the hole but on principle I'll only take the toll if I'm in a hurry.
I absolutely hate having to keep change in my car or pockets for the other tolls though.