Ideal Airport

Bazzy

I was watching a few air crash investigation programmes of late

One in paticular caught my attention the crash was due to an air traffic controller error at lax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_1493

would an ideal airport have two runway one for landing and one for taking off obviously a few of them but would this not be feasible if you were building your ideal airport (and obviously an excellent public spotting deck)

What else would you add or change from existing set ups?

radar0976

Bazzy wrote: »

I was watching a few air crash investigation programmes of late

One in paticular caught my attention the crash was due to an air traffic controller error at lax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_1493

would an ideal airport have two runway one for landing and one for taking off obviously a few of them but would this not be feasible if you were building your ideal airport (and obviously an excellent public spotting deck)

What else would you add or change from existing set ups?

Well I think one thing which an airport at a major city should have is a rail link to the city. Is it true that Dublin is the only EU capital city whose airport does not have a rail link to the city ?

A320

What else would help is not having Collier or the DAA anywhere near it,infact bar them from it...

Stinicker

radar0976 wrote: »

Well I think one thing which an airport at a major city should have is a rail link to the city. Is it true that Dublin is the only EU capital city whose airport does not have a rail link to the city ?

Not true, The airport in Prague doesn't have a rail link and I'm sure there is probably a few more also.

Jammyc

Stinicker wrote: »

Not true, The airport in Prague doesn't have a rail link and I'm sure there is probably a few more also.

Nor does Edinburgh, though they do have a great bus service.

radar0976

Stinicker wrote: »

Not true, The airport in Prague doesn't have a rail link and I'm sure there is probably a few more also.

Ah right. Thanks for the info.

AfterDusk

Jammyc wrote: »

Nor does Edinburgh, though they do have a great bus service.

Edinburgh isn't a capital.

alan85

neil2304 wrote: »

Edinburgh isn't a capital.

Yes it is. Scotland is a country! Didn't do geography?!

AfterDusk

alan85 wrote: »

Yes it is. Scotland is a country! Didn't do geography?!

My mistake thought it was Glasgow

Bearcat

i've been around the block a bit and with out doubt for both sides of the atlantic, munich sticks out as the best....parrallel rwys, easy ground movements, deicing at the runway......pax terminals.....place was purpose built as against DUB which resembles legoland

John C

Bearcat wrote: »

i've been around the block a bit and with out doubt for both sides of the atlantic, munich sticks out as the best....parrallel rwys, easy ground movements, deicing at the runway......pax terminals.....place was purpose built as against DUB which resembles legoland

Munich's Airport (MUC) was planned in the eighties. It was built in Erdinger Moos a large moor and opened in May 1992. It then had two runaways and one terminal.
Today MUC has two terminals and 34 million pax per year.
DUB has been in Collinstown much longer than 1992.

MUC's pax come from the State of Bavaria (over 12 million inhabitants) and parts of Austria. DUB does not have this catchment area.


Munich's people have coped with snow and ice for generations. Many days of persistent snow and ice are relatively new to DUB. Thus MUC is better geared up for deicing.
One week last winter in MUC in a freeze, these deicing units were incapable of deicing all the airplanes.

MUC was mainly built by the State of Bavaria with its huge resources.
It is unlikely that Dublin Airport could be built again from scratch.

Above quote is correct. MUC was purpose built around 1990. The planners in the eighties knew more about the volume of passengers than those who planned DUB in Collinstown.

John C

radar0976 wrote: »

Well I think one thing which an airport at a major city should have is a rail link to the city. Is it true that Dublin is the only EU capital city whose airport does not have a rail link to the city ?

When I visited Warsaw in the year 2004 it not have a rail link. However this information is dated by seven years. Infrastructure in Poland has greatly improved in the last years.
Has anyone in this forum been to Warsaw airport recently? Can anyone ask a polish person this queston?

KCAccidental

John C wrote: »

When I visited Warsaw in the year 2004 it not have a rail link. However this information is dated by seven years. Infrastructure in Poland has greatly improved in the last years.
Has anyone in this forum been to Warsaw airport recently? Can anyone ask a polish person this queston?

the government are building one at the moment i think. there is a rail link to Krakow airport though. once bought the wrong ticket from the machine on the train and 'fessed up to the conducter offering to pay the 5 zloty i owed. he pocketed the coin and said "no worries"

PrzemoF

John C wrote: »

When I visited Warsaw in the year 2004 it not have a rail link. However this information is dated by seven years. Infrastructure in Poland has greatly improved in the last years.
Has anyone in this forum been to Warsaw airport recently? Can anyone ask a polish person this queston?

There is railway stop "Warszawa Okecie" 1 km (?) east of Terminal 1 and there should be a new one in the airport opened in Dec 2011. Link to a Polish article (google translate): http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.polskatimes.pl/warszawa/stronaglowna/365681,juz-w-grudniu-pojedziemy-pociagiem-na-lotnisko-chopina,id,t.html%3Fcookie%3D1&usg=ALkJrhiv-woYZi4eHoRc2IzeVgtoDGl1Iw

homerjay2005

Stinicker wrote: »

Not true, The airport in Prague doesn't have a rail link and I'm sure there is probably a few more also.

cant believe we are forced to compare dublin airport to prague and warsaw, 2 countries only to emerge in recent years from alot of poverty and other troubles.

dublin is one of the worst serviced major airports in the world, the bus system is shocking. surely there can be a public bus for €1 like other countries that leaves stephens green, goes up o connell street and straight out making only 5 or 6 stops. having to pay 6euro for this, is a f*cking joke.

warsaw airport is lovely, was there 2 times last year and once in 09 and they are making huge progression there, due to the euro2012 next yeasr. prague ive only been there once and dont recall anything really, though its pretty similar to warsaw from what i remember. we got a taxi into the city as there was 3 of us, not sure if there was a train, i though there was but if you say there aint, then fine.

i think the argument was that dublin would be considered one of the main cities in europe and its the only one not to have an airport rail link. UK has about 15 airports connected better than dublin.

John C

radar0976 wrote: »

Well I think one thing which an airport at a major city should have is a rail link to the city. Is it true that Dublin is the only EU capital city whose airport does not have a rail link to the city ?

Here is a selection of European airports which have no passenger rail connection.

Berlin Tegel, Germany
Bratislava, Slovakia
Budapest, Hungary: Correction Budapest does have a rail link from Terminal1.

Helsinki, Finland
Larnaca, Cyprus
Lisbon, Portugal

Luxembourg
Malta
Riga, Latvia

Tallin, Estonia
Vilnius, Lithuania

My source is partly Wikipedia. If someone knows better I'd be glad of correction.

Stinicker

John C wrote: »

Here is a selection of European airports which have no passenger rail connection.

Berlin Tegel, Germany
Bratislava, Slovakia
Budapest, Hungary

Helsinki, Finland
Larnaca, Cyprus
Lisbon, Portugal

Luxembourg
Malta
Riga, Latvia

Tallin, Estonia
Vilnius, Lithuania

My source is partly Wikipedia. If someone knows better I'd be glad of correction.

Budapest has a rail link but only from one of the terminals afaik!

John C

Stinicker wrote: »

Budapest has a rail link but only from one of the terminals afaik!

Danke für diese Auskunft. When I flew into Budapest with Lufthansa we landed in Terminal 2. I went to Budapest city with "Budapest Airport Minibusz".

Back on topic. Budapest does have a rail link from Terminal 1.
http://www.bud.hu/english/passengers/transport_and_parking/by_train

L1011

Jammyc wrote: »

Nor does Edinburgh, though they do have a great bus service.

Its getting one, but their tram system has had cost overruns and delays that make the Port Tunnel seem like an on-time bargain...

Lapin

neil2304 wrote: »

Edinburgh isn't a capital.

neil2304 wrote: »

My mistake thought it was Glasgow

Capital or not there is no direct rail link to Glasgow Airport either.

Prestwick yes, but not Glasgow Airport.

Jamie2k9

Edinburgh isn't a capital.

Edinburgh is the capitial of Scotland but Glasgow is the largest city.

John C

John C wrote: »

Here is a selection of European airports which have no passenger rail connection.

Berlin Tegel, Germany
Bratislava, Slovakia
Budapest, Hungary: Correction Budapest does have a rail link from Terminal1.

Helsinki, Finland
Larnaca, Cyprus
Lisbon, Portugal

Luxembourg
Malta
Riga, Latvia

Tallin, Estonia
Vilnius, Lithuania Correction: Vilnius does have a rail link

My source is partly Wikipedia. If someone knows better I'd be glad of correction.

I am correcting my own post. Vilnius, Lithuania has had a railway station since October 2008. http://www.vilnius-airport.lt/en/

On that topic of EU capital cities with a rail link at its airport. Sofia airport in Bulgaria does not have a rail link to its city centre.

mayotom

Madrid, Frankfurt, Schipol, all have fantastic airports, both for Passengers and airlines.

outside Europe, the upgraded Abu Dhabi Airport and the new Al Maktoom Airport in Dubai are among the best in the world, and neither have a rail link YET

Tabnabs

Schipol is so big though that at times it felt like the taxi in to the ramp took almost as long as the flight itself.

Copenhagen deserves a mention as a great airport.

Davidth88

OP , I can't comment from a pilots/crew's point of view , but I can from a passenger.

Two runways , I don't care one way or the other , the only advantage I suppose is there is less possible delays trying to land at an airport with two runways ( have been in hold for LGW a few times , then again I have also been in hold for LHR and AMS )

Short taxi's , AMS is unreal for this , sometimes the taxi can be 15-20 mins if you are landing on the runway the other side of the motorway.

I prefer small quiet airports, I like Cagliari ( Sardinia ) , neat little airport , it has about 8 air bridges ( I think ) , its a modernish place .

But Ill be honest , my ideal airport , the one closest to home as I arrive home . The whole flying experience is basically horrible now a days , with the security/ bad customer service from airlines / lack of space etc