Outright Accumulator

Gavin "shels"

Anyone planning on doing a season long accum with the "winter" leagues?

Man Utd, Crawley, Luton and Barca to win the Champions League works out at 125/1.:eek:

mike65

Something to look at certainly esp after that fella won a packet last May. (I think)

The Walsho

I'll probably do some outright bets just in my excitement for the season being back. Good christ I've missed decent football.

Warper

Think Schalke are a decent price @ 20-1 for the Europa League considering they made the CL semi's this year. Spurs arent a bad price@ 14-1 but you just can see them messing up somewhere along the line

Yardie

Will be doing some accums. One's to watch:

PSG for Ligue 1 @ 7/2

Bayern Munich for Bundesliga @ 8/13 and Champions League @ 25/1- Final on in Allianz Arena and Bayern have made some top signings.

Malaga for Top 4 finish @ 7/2. Toulalan, Mathiejsen and Van Nistleroy could be decent signings and Jaoquin may do a job too..Also linked with Diego and Pastore. Pelegrini is a top manager too.

West Ham for promotion @ 13/8. If Allardyce keeps most of squad they should be far too strong in Championship

Brighton for promotion @ 7/1 could be worth a look too.

Championship Relegation- Coventry @ 2/1 ( In trouble financially- may be docked points) and Birmingham @ 12/1( Yeung is a disaster, losing lots of players too)

Bankers: obviously Porto should kick on granted they maintain current squad- 1/2 on William Hill, Man U for prem and Barca for La liga

okidoki987

Think Schalke are a decent price @ 20-1 for the Europa League considering they made the CL semi's this year. Spurs arent a bad price@ 14-1 but you just can see them messing up somewhere along the line

I'd never back a team for the Europa this early when you don't know a lot of the "main" teams that will be playing in it i.e. the teams that finish 3rd in the CL Group stages.
I remember some years ago asking a bookie for odds on a CL team winning it when they were 5/1 the field with only the Europa teams quoted.
7/4 was the reply, they were taking about 120% on the book and also had the 7/4 fav not quoted :eek:.

Fowler87

Ive just the one (optimistic) accum done so far...

Liverpool top 4 finish @ 11/8
Luton Blue Sq winners @ 11/4
Huddersfield promotion from league 1 @ 11/8
Birmingham promotion from championship @ 9/4

10 returns 687

Fancy them all but theres always one to let ya down:pac:

SteelyDanJalapeno

Yep..... Liverpool

Corvo

Possibly a shock winner in Serie A. I have a feeling Pastore may head to Napoli and if Inter keep stumbling and AC keep aging, then who knows.

Fowler87

Griffin1988 wrote: »

Possibly a shock winner in Serie A. I have a feeling Pastore may head to Napoli and if Inter keep stumbling and AC keep aging, then who knows.

They signed Inler from Udinese too which will only strengthen the midfield. Good shout that..

EDIT: 22/1 with PP, Im sure yal get bigger price elsewhere

Warper

okidoki987 wrote: »

I'd never back a team for the Europa this early when you don't know a lot of the "main" teams that will be playing in it i.e. the teams that finish 3rd in the CL Group stages.
I remember some years ago asking a bookie for odds on a CL team winning it when they were 5/1 the field with only the Europa teams quoted.
7/4 was the reply, they were taking about 120% on the book and also had the 7/4 fav not quoted :eek:.

I know what you mean but the value is gone for a lot of teams by that stage. Last year i had Porto backed @ 22-1 from the start and were nowhere near that by the time the CL teams came down. Plus AFAIK no CL third placed team has ever won the Europa Leage/UEFA Cup. Plus the third placed teams are generally pretty average with so many poor Champions in the CL proper.
eg 2011 teams dropping down from CL: Twente, Benfica, Rangers, Rubin Kazan, Basel, Spartak, Ajax and Braga.

No real big-guns there.

Yardie

Malaga in the running for tevez

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2011/07/20/2583278/inter-real-madrid-malaga-chelsea-or-staying-at-manchester

If they get him snap up that top 4 finish @ 7/2

The Walsho

Warper wrote: »

I know what you mean but the value is gone for a lot of teams by that stage. Last year i had Porto backed @ 22-1 from the start and were nowhere near that by the time the CL teams came down. Plus AFAIK no CL third placed team has ever won the Europa Leage/UEFA Cup. Plus the third placed teams are generally pretty average with so many poor Champions in the CL proper.
eg 2011 teams dropping down from CL: Twente, Benfica, Rangers, Rubin Kazan, Basel, Spartak, Ajax and Braga.

No real big-guns there.

Two of those contested a semi-final between them. Fair point you've made though.

christy_b

I think Cardiff are decent e/w value @20/1 for the championship with PP (9/2 for promotion).

They've been pretty busy in the transfer market and if they get Kenny Miller I don't think the price will remain that generous.

Corvo

christy_b wrote: »

I think Cardiff are decent e/w value @20/1 for the championship with PP (9/2 for promotion).

They've been pretty busy in the transfer market and if they get Kenny Miller I don't think the price will remain that generous.

Good shout that. Though the loss of Jay Bothroyd will surely affect a team that are prone to shaky times at their best.

The Volt

I'm going to throw a euro on about 10 of these.

Crawley, West Ham, Sheff Utd returns odds of 198/1

Backstreet Moyes

Stupid Boylesports only win markets for European Leagues. So 250/1

Luton to win Blue Square 11/4
Crawley to win League 2 3/1
West Ham to be promoted 11/8
P.S.G. to win French League 7/2
Bayern to win German League 4/7

Last €1.34 in my account a few weeks ago returns €1800.

Bayern to win German League 8/15
Barca for Champions League 2/1
Celtic for Scottish League 8/11
Man City for Carling Cup 11/2
West Ham to be promoted 11/8
Chicarito top Premiership scorer 9/1

LightningBolt

I've tipped it in the rugby forum but if you're looking to boost any accumulators I think Ulster are way overpriced to win the Rabo Direct Pro 12 (formerly magners league). They won't lose too many guys to the World Cup, they've got some great young players in their second/third season, they've got a brutal draw in the Heineken Cup meaning they'll probably play weakened sides by the end fifth/sixth round if they're out of running. Add in the fact that there's the six nations and the heineken cup knock outs they're way under priced in my mind. I've done a nice sized single but am adding it to an accumulator for the lolz!

fkiely

Have one, very speculative mind, so far.

Hearts tow in Scotland outside the big two (8/11)
West Ham to win the Championship (4/1)
Australia to reach RWC final (6/5)
PSG to win France (10/3)
QPR to be relegated (13/8)
Kilkenny to win the hurling (11/8)
Kerry to win the football (13/8)

30 pays out 40,422.13

Very speculative!

SteelyDanJalapeno

fkiely wrote: »

Have one, very speculative mind, so far.

Hearts tow in Scotland outside the big two (8/11)
West Ham to win the Championship (4/1)
Australia to reach RWC final (6/5)
PSG to win France (10/3)
QPR to be relegated (13/8)
Kilkenny to win the hurling (11/8)
Kerry to win the football (13/8)

30 pays out 40,422.13

Very speculative!

I'd replace West Ham with Leceister, And Kilkenny with Tipp!

fkiely

Horgan wrote: »

I'd replace West Ham with Leceister, And Kilkenny with Tipp!

Was really a toss up between Kilkenny and Tipp to be honest! Just think that Kilkenny will be out for serious revenge for last year. Could go either way though.

And I have to go for West Ham, thus committing the cardinal sin of gambling and backing your own team...

jjll

man utd will not win league this year FACT

Fowler87

jjll wrote: »

man utd will not win league this year FACT

Well they have as good a chance as last year!

eoin123

Prob a few 2 many in this but i like it all the same west ham crawley nd luton all for promotion celtic bayern munich nd barca all to win there leagues and wigan to get relegated at 105 t 1!!

djPSB

Double:

Liverpool top 4 finish

West ham to be promoted

€50 pays €261.25

djPSB

Blackburn, Swansea, QPR to be relegated 35/1

noelpat

jjll wrote: »

man utd will not win league this year FACT

Chelsea fan?

_Tipsbymark

jjll wrote: »

man utd will not win league this year FACT

Thats a fact? Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Just give Alex a buzz there and tell him not to bother.

Derek!

jjll wrote: »

man utd will not win league this year FACT

If you want to put your money were your mouth is you can lay United @ 2.92

Dolph Starbeam

Going to do one for a bit of interest.

An Eightfold of;



Fingers crossed

Melion

PSG are 14/1 to win the Europa League, they are way overpriced considering the business they have done this summer. They signed Pastore the other day apparently.

Fowler87

Melion wrote: »

PSG are 14/1 to win the Europa League, they are way overpriced considering the business they have done this summer. They signed Pastore the other day apparently.

Got them 16/1 on bet365..

Gavin "shels"

Mark! wrote: »

Going to do one for a bit of interest.

An Eightfold of;



Fingers crossed

Who did you do this with? Boyles and Powers won't let me do Barca to win La Liga and Champions League!:mad:

Dolph Starbeam

Gavin shels wrote: »

Who did you do this with? Boyles and Powers won't let me do Barca to win La Liga and Champions League!:mad:

Did it with Boyles. Tried it again and you can still do a double or accumulator on Barca to win both, good luck.

Edit; Sorry Boyles is going slow on me so i'm not sure what the story is, mine above is an Eight-fold bet so maybe thats why i could do it.

Corvo

@ Gavin "shels"

Now thats a sweet accum. Though I think Barcelona for the Champions League may let you down

Gavin "shels"

Man Utd to finish in the top 2
Swansea to be Relegated
Barca to win La Liga
Bayern Munich to win Bundesliga
PSG to win Frence Ligue 1
Porto to win Portugal Liga Sagres
West Ham to be Promoted
Huddersfield to be Promoted
Crawley Town to be Promoted
Luton to be Promoted



Any opinions on the above?

Yardie

The Big Kickoff is in the Racing Post. Extensive analysis of all the ante=post bets.

One I think could be worth sticking in too is Mario Gomez top scorer in Bundeslig @ 10/3. If he stays fit he'll easily top 30 goals

Gavin "shels"

Yardie wrote: »

The Big Kickoff is in the Racing Post. Extensive analysis of all the ante=post bets.

Is there much info on outright League betting, for England and European leagues?

inforfun

1 FC Porto Portugal Supaliga 2011/12 @1.57
2 AC Milan Italy Serie A 2011/12 @2.20
3 Man City Barclays Premier League 2011/12 Without Man Utd & Chelsea @2.10
4 PSG France Le Championnat 2011/12 @3.75
5 PSV Holland Eredivisie 2011/12 @4.33
6 Bayern Munich Germany Bundesliga I 2011/12 @1.57
7 Barcelona Spain Primera Liga 2011/12 @1.53

Works out @284.26

Yardie

Gavin shels wrote: »

Is there much info on outright League betting, for England and European leagues?

Yeah tonnes of stuff. Goalscorer Markets, ref stats, over 2.5 stats etc..You can get an online edition on the Rp website but I'll post up the highlights of it when I get chance to crunch some numbers on value accumulators.

Value for PSG has gone now. Lille, Marseille and Lyon alll with shot of title..Man U are too short IMO too.

Gavin "shels"

Yardie wrote: »

Yeah tonnes of stuff. Goalscorer Markets, ref stats, over 2.5 stats etc..You can get an online edition on the Rp website but I'll post up the highlights of it when I get chance to crunch some numbers on value accumulators.

Any chance of getting it up by tomorrow?

_Tipsbymark

For the nPower Championship, it has the following as tips

Tony Cascarino goes 1 point each way outright on both brighton and blackpool

Dan Childs goes 2 points each way on brighton, and 1.5 points each way on southampton,
- 4 pts coventry relegation
-2 points derby relegation
-1 point each way milwall +26 season handicap
-1 point each way bristol city +24 season handicap
- 1.5 points each way mackail smith top scorer
- 1 point each way adam rooney top scorer

then season match betting they have -
5pts leeds to bt middlesbrough
6pts milwall to beat derby
5 points doncaster to beat barnsley
4 pts peterborough to beat coventry

Gavin "shels"

Sound. Any chance you want to throw up the other English league ones and European? Personnally I'm not looking for match bets or top goalscorers, just their opinions on winners, promotion and relegation.:D

_Tipsbymark

PL

Virtually any outright tip in the whole thing is for Man Utd.
They tip Man U- Man C straight forecast 1 pt

Cascarino tips 2 pts Norwich top promoted team and 3pts QPR to be relegated

Mark Langdon tips 5 points Norwich to be relegated and 2 points blackburn to be relegated

1 pt bolton lowest scoring team

Kenwyne Jones, Hernandez, Suarez, Bent and Sturridge all get top goalscorer tips from different places

Steve Bruce is tipped by two people to be first PL boss gone

Then Swansea is tipped to be top promoted club 3 pts. ( They virtually tip every permutation regarding the 3 promoted clubs )

On the season handicap betting they go 1 pt United +0
1 pt City +6

Then .5 point on stoke without the big six.

Gillington

I got crap odds compared to the rest

Man Utd @ 9/5 Premier League
Barcelona @ 4/7 La Liga
PSG @ 21/10 Ligue 1
Celtic @ 4/7 Scotland
Bayern @ 8/15 Bundesliga
Leicester @ 4/1 Championship

163/1

Yardie

Gavin shels wrote: »

Any chance of getting it up by tomorrow?

Most of it already covered by Mark.

The info on European leagues is pretty meagre and will be covered more extensively in the Friday editions of the RP before the leagues kickoff, so Bundesliga special this Friday.

Some ones they mention as alternatives to the favorites are worth considering

Portugal- Sporting Lisbon @ 15/2- have made good signings, Porto lost Villas-Boas, Falcao/Hulk could leave at Christmas

Holland- PSV @ 7/2

Italy- Napoli @ 25/1- They have held onto their best players and added Inler and a couple of others. Great price. They recommend 2pts e/w

Teams highest % over 2.5

Italy: Palermo 71%, Inter/Juve 55% (Lowest Bologna,Parma,Lazio-34%)

Germany: Munich 68%, Stuttgart 65%, Hannover 62% ( Lowest Dormund 41% Mainz 44 % and Hamburg 47%)

France: Sochaux, PSG, Marseille- all 58% ( Toulouse/Auxerre 29%, Brest 32%)

Spain: Bilbao 74%, Sociedad 71%, Malaga 63% (Gijon 32%, Villareal /Levante 45%)

KingdomYid

Gone with the following accumulator:

Messi top scores in la liga
Swansea to be relegated
West ham to be promoted
Bayern Munich to win Bundesliga
Stokes top scorer in SPL

10 euro returns 1166. Will keep things interesting for a while

Samich

KingdomYid wrote: »

Gone with the following accumulator:

Messi top scores in la liga
Swansea to be relegated
West ham to be promoted
Bayern Munich to win Bundesliga
Stokes top scorer in SPL

10 euro returns 1166. Will keep things interesting for a while

Nice bet

dundalkfc10

Sham Rovers win LOI
Linfield win Northern League
Celtic win SPL
Utd win Prem
Swansea relegated
QPR relegated

wp_rathead

Napoli win Seria A
Bayern Munich win Bundesliga
West Ham to be Promoted
Huddersfield to be Promoted
Malaga 3rd La Liga
Liverpool Top 4 Premiership

put €1 accumulator- €1282.50

improbable but not impossible

Keyser Söze

Barcelona to stay undefeated in La Liga
PSG to win Ligue 1
Germany to win Euro 2012

all long term 418/1