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Fracking - A Coming Catastrophe?

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    Registered Users Posts: 9,934 ✭✭✭ JupiterKid


    Fracking for natural gas - where very deep wells are drilled into shale rock beds that hold pockets of natural gas and are then injected with high pressure water, sand and numerous highly toxic chemicals, is becoming a major environmental concern in the USA, where this practice of extracting methane gas is at its most developed.

    There is a good article on "fracking" here:
    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/06/fracking-in-pennsylvania-201006?currentPage=3

    There are now plans to use this fracking technique to extract gas from the Lough Allen basin in County Letirim, which could have devastaing health and environmental effects if the poisonous cehmicals get into the water supply or the river Shannon itself. Is risking the future of the Shannon basin really worth it for profits for gas and oil companies?:(


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  • I think I've heard of "issues" with this in the UK as well, Can't remember where I read about it though. It's banned in France.




  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland

    The film Gasland will be shown a couple of times in the Trades Club in Sligo from 5pm on Saturday 30th of July.

    The film explores what hydraulic fracturing or 'fracking' can do to people's health and the Environment.

    And it may be coming to a field near you....
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  • muckish wrote: »
    I think I've heard of "issues" with this in the UK as well, Can't remember where I read about it though. It's banned in France.

    Fair play to the French, We of course wont ban it, Unfortunately.




  • JupiterKid wrote: »
    Is risking the future of the Shannon basin really worth it for profits for gas and oil companies?:(

    Not my area of expertise. It should be pointed out, however, that oil and gas companies make profits because they manufacture products that people want.

    Maybe that question should be re-phrased as 'Is risking the future of the Shannon basin really worth it so that we can drive our cars?'

    For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be in favour of onshore fracking.


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  • Hi all, Gasland is showing on sky ch183 'Current TV' a few times over the next week. I've only caught a short clip of it myself and it seems worth watching.




  • Appalling if true. Greed and short-term gain still prevails in our seemingly 'failed state.

    http://oceanfm.ie/article/Coillte-denies-signing-deal-for-gas-extraction/




  • Complete madness.

    Black, Foamy Water Worries Fracking Neighbors
    Preliminary results of the three-year federal study in Pavillion, Wyoming, show chemicals associated with hydraulic fracturing gas wells in the area are turning up in the ground water.




  • Coles wrote: »

    There are two good, objective interviews on fracking on the IGI website, www.igi.ie for anyone who's interested. One of the more significant things is that the companies involved say that they won't need to use additives, just water. That is a totally plausible scenario, with plenty of precedent.




  • Some links to follow later and copy this post in case the PTB dont like it

    http://frackingfreeireland.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Fracking-Matters-Newsletter-22-12-57.pdf

    Follow this Canadian woman Jesse Ernst who has taken fracking mining company Encana in Canada to court . She also came to Ireland to explain to Irish the sheer vast scale horror story of fracking. She for example has to drive with her pick over a hundred miles to bring in clean drinking and washing water as the water around her is too toxic to even touch it

    The air is so polluted its more like living in a oil refinery .The air is nearly close to too toxic to live in that region for hundreds of square miles She lives in the middle for nowhere with often neighbors several miles away and small town often large distances .
    Fracking can make in short time periods hundreds of square miles uninhabitable to animals and humans and make crops grown there to toxic to eat . Fracking can make hundreds of square miles of overground and underground water sources to toxic for life form to drink or even wash or bath in.

    The reality of fracking is has nothing to do with extracting gas and everything to do with a scorched earth policy and blue gold .
    It seems that often the oil and gas companies that do the fracking have before hand bought up all the local rights to selling the water in one region .
    Then they go to the rest of the surrounding regions and ensure that they destroy all the above and underground water in the rest of the regions with injecting toxic chemicals and frequently they use diesel oils .
    Once all the water for many hundreds of square miles around is now too poisonous to drink they then have a new water company open up in the region that hasn't been fracked and with this non poisonous water they sell it for a premium price to the locals who used to get water for a fraction of the price.
    Locals also cant grow food as the toxic water makes all the crops too toxic to eat

    The fracking companies when entering regions always promise they will only use water to extract the gas and they always lie and use chemicals and diesel fuels .
    They also use very fine sands that if breathed in act like asbestos and these sands get blown all around the region killing everything.
    These fracking companies often barely make as much energy as they extract from the ground .They have to repeatedly drill bore holes close to each other as the extraction methods rarely take gas from more than 50 feet from a bore hole .
    If it is taken into account the gas extraction companies often inject diesel oil and we do our energy sums a high density energy rich fuel like diesel extracting a low energy density fuel like gas you would have to conclude from energy and economic projections that fracking isn't a very economically viable solution compared to other forms of oil and gas extraction .
    Some mining company reports suggest fracking is a barley viable form of gas extraction.The energy inputs barley exceed the energy outputs .However it is rumored that the advantage for the fracking and oil and gas industry is that the expensive to dispose of oil waste and chemical products that the routinely make at oil refinery's and similar can now be just dumped into the ground under the cover of the fracking industries need to pump chemicals into the ground .Some reports even suggest that the real reason to do fracking is simply to dump the oil toxic products into the ground . Gas production if it occurs is just a interesting side effect that helps cover the costs .Those that would say surly it costs a bomb to inject diesel fuel are not aware that for the oil companies diesel fuel costs are often less than 20 cents a liter .Oil companies do not have to pay tax on diesel they don't sell to the country transport and heating uses so it simply the cost of the raw material from the refinery If its low quality coke oil grade diesel fuel that is costly to reform into higher quality diesel fuel then this diesel fuel worth is a few cents a liter at best and when oil prices are low is classed as oil waste products to be treated at a expensive oil waste specialist company.
    One city in Ivory west Africa (links below) had the misfortune to be used as dumping ground for ~500 tons of highly toxic oil waste . The poisoning of the locals happened as the toxic products taken off the ship in barrels were poured down local sewer drains .It killed some people and injured many and over 100,000 people needed medical attention with many thousands of people permanently injured . From the supplied video we can see that the same types of often lethal poisoning effects to the locals are taking place and the theory that fracking is really just a new way to dump oil waste is becoming much more provable .
    Often even the drilling crews mostly not in unions are getting injured and killed from the toxic nature of Fracking . However for oil and gas extraction companies they can always find new crews to replace sick or dead drilling crews.

    The way to sum up fracking is say fracking is a process that is done for economic reasons that don't make any real sense. For non oil industry people it often hurts the locals and their environment where the fracking takes place .This damage is usually lasting for decades and often even for periods that could exceed a few hundred years . Sometimes gas is produced as side effect . Others say more clearly it it is a scorched earth depopulation policy and gas extraction is only the Trojan horse that allows this to happen
    Given a few decades of intensive fracking all around Ireland we would find that most all of Ireland would become a toxic waste land where only a few small region were remaining barely habitable. The population of Ireland would be forced to cram in there pay high prices for small patches of land and import water and food at very high prices from the few remaining regions with cleanish water and safe-ish food production.

    Fracking is a neighbour from hell out to exterminate you coming to place near to you .

    Derry


    Links and ivory coast story of toxic chemicals in a city environment
    Trafigura and the Ivory coast pollution event


    The basics of the Ivory Coast oil waste dumping pollution event are simple. In court the oil waste dumping company was forced to pay out Billions in compensation to people from Accra in Ivory Coast west Africa. The company Trafigura is a large mineral ore and oil company which sent the ship full of about 500 tons of highly toxic oil waste products to Ivory Coast in 2009 .
    When the ship arrived they got trucks and filled open oil barrels of this oil waste into these barrels. The trucks then drove around the city pouring this toxic waste into the cities sewerage drains and local river and streams.
    The real questions is was this done purely to save money or just some sort of accident or was it done as experiment to see what levels of oil waste pollution would impact the most people .
    The story starts in Texas USA . A tanker load of coke oil was taken from Texas to Norway. There the oil was pumped into onshore tanks. Then Lye was added to this waste oil . The small remaining oil products like low grade gasoline and low grade diesel oils separated out and were pulled off. These low grade products were then shipped to a Lithuania and mixed in with refined fuels. These contaminated fuels were then shipped to west Africa to be used in car and trucks where the allowed levels of Sulfer content is higher EU limit is 50ppm where as west Africa it more like 5000 PPM.
    The now very toxic waste was put on a ship and sent to Holland .There they tried to pass it off as ship slops .That didn’t work so the Dutch demanded 1/2 million dollars to take this toxic waste to be cleaned up. The ship then sailed to west Africa where it dumped this toxic waste in Ivory Coast.

    For a large corporation non of this made any sense economically when you look oil prices of that period
    It was pretty clear that the company doing the dumping could never possibly expect not to end up in court for openly dumping these toxic products in a major city in Africa . Logic dictates the $ 1/2Million dollars for the Dutch to repossess the toxic oil waste was far cheaper than paying over $1 Billion in compensation to the people of Ivory coast .However if the experiment was successful as vast laboratory experiment then it might be worth the price to see the long term effects in closed environment if depopulation is your agenda

    The logical suspicion is that the oil company involved did this to experiment what levels of toxic oil waste are needed to exterminate the peoples of the city .
    The fracking policies of creating massive pollution on purpose also fit this agenda
    There are also many reasons why they want to depopulate most of Ireland and I will supply that info at a later date

    links below for Trafigura

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafigura
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/16/bbc-newsnight-trafigura-lawyers-libel

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/10/ivory-coast-trafigura-oil-lawsuit?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/13/trafigura-ivory-coast-documents-toxic-waste
    Newsnight - Trafigura 1 of 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x04vIFmsJec
    bbc-trafigura-part2.flv
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySImPiktYWg&feature=related


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  • "It seems that often the oil and gas companies that do the fracking have before hand bought up all the local rights to selling the water in one region"

    Derry, I have spotted an advert for "C h e v r o n Recruitment,, side of a van. The script of the adv . states that C R. are looking to take on ppl for training to install water meters. I know this is a long shot (dearly hope so) but C h e v r o n are also a leading name in US Oil exploration. what do you think of this?
    So now one can gather why the identity of the 'fracking 'chemicals' are kept a trade secret..

    Ghastly stuff.

    The vehicle was spotted outside a filling station near L o n g f o r d..
    And it started back in Texas, you'd wonder w h y...




  • "It seems that often the oil and gas companies that do the fracking have before hand bought up all the local rights to selling the water in one region"

    Derry, I have spotted an advert for "C h e v r o n Recruitment,, side of a van. The script of the adv . states that C R. are looking to take on ppl for training to install water meters. I know this is a long shot (dearly hope so) but C h e v r o n are also a leading name in US Oil exploration. what do you think of this?
    So now one can gather why the identity of the 'fracking 'chemicals' are kept a trade secret..

    Ghastly stuff.

    The vehicle was spotted outside a filling station near L o n g f o r d..
    And it started back in Texas, you'd wonder w h y...

    Again suggest copy this post in case the PTB dont like it

    I don't know about these vans there are so many heads to this multi headed snake but its sounds good intel thanks

    Blue gold is the name of the game .This might mean they destroy most of the countries water supplies to get the price up
    It might mean they use fracking as threat weapon to get us to surrender and they take all the water rights .
    It might be half and half for example destroy the northern parts of Ireland water regions and force us to surrender so we come small amount of the water to save the remaining southern parts of Ireland.
    Its their plan not mine but they hold the most cards they got the regimes whatever or whoever is in power in their pockets lock stock and barrel

    The proof is that the EU has made in most all EU water is a commodity . In the UK collecting rain water anywhere including on your land is illegal the water companies own it ALL.
    So now in EIRE we see the €5 euro septic tank charge .This is so that farmers register the tank .When the farmers register they hand ownership of ALL the water in their lands to the government. A few mega bungs later to Enda and the boys and they use the IMF loans and demand the water as collateral on the IMF debt
    Then The water companies can charge the farmers any price they want for the rain that falls on their lands . After a while the charges get too high the farmers go bust and the IMF own the lands and the waters or BLUE GOLD
    Then the entire Irish race is forced to live in squalor in grid cites pay big amounts for water.No money no water no live and they exterminate the Irish
    Its just like the British did before in 1845 potatoes famine exporting food while the Irish starved . In this case Irish will thirst to death as Irish water gets exported .
    Any Irish caught catching rain water will go to jail or pay huge fines for stealing IMF water companies water or BLUE GOLD


    Fracking is a new Trojan horse and is merely part of the many weapons the Globalist use to conquer a country so that they can get their banks the IMF they own
    to buy up the gaff for cents on the dollar .Then they make the natives work as landless peasants on the IMF plantations for less than a $1 a day

    The camels nose is no longer sniffing around under the tent the IMF camel is inside the tent and it plans to take all the BLUE GOLD they can stuff into the IMF camels hump and what they cant sell they intend to destroy as part of the scorched earth policy the UN makes to reduce human populations ASAP

    The IMF the EU and the UN policies like agenda 21 all paid and controlled agents of the Globalists make the Stalins the Hitler's or the Brits look like nice guys

    The last attempted extinction of the Irish peoples event in ~1845 killed closer to ~4 million Irish peoples.It was triggered when the scum bag Malthusian follower Darwin deliberately imported to Ireland the potato Blight . Exactly as we see today his groups in the British government of the day planned in advance and beefed up the British army one year in advance of the potatoes blight introduction event in ~1845 .This ensured the British could take all other food to to be extorted to the mainland Britain and ensure the plan to exterminate the Irish peoples would proceed without a hitch .
    The plan was to say it was all some terrible act of nature all the Irish starved and proves survival of the fittest is the rule of nature not letting on Darwinists and Malthusians gave nature a serious helping hand .
    If it wasn't for world opinion so appalled at the in your face extermination event the British were doing in 1845 onwards the Irish would have been virtually exterminated of the face of the earth as a race .
    As it was we Irish in Ireland were seriously culled from 10 million down to 4 millions
    Now history looks like it repeats itself in 2012 onwards


    Darwin was never survival of the fittest he was extermination of the weakest but they used the first phrase to be seen to be politically correct

    Now we see the new EU army rules means the army of any EU nation can be deployed under Lisbon treaty to any part of the EU in this case Ireland if they natives ever get an idea to rebel.

    Also the EU insists we Irish increase the Irish army to help out suppress the revolutions against the EU and IMF in Ireland or else where like Spain or Greece
    Note the Irish army regularly train and works with the Garda in the Curragh camps in fake suburbs and city streets in riot control.They don't train for fun they know that that trouble is brewing . As long as the gombeen men control them there isn't much hope the Irish defense forces will side with the peoples in the revolutions sweeping across the EU

    The system of control of the Irish is largely in place it just the question when do they drop the hammer and import the new potatoes blight maybe some bio weapon bird flu or similar they have ready and waiting and declare a UN level 6 which means they can forcably vaccine us irish against our will and kill us off faster .
    The fracking is the weapon to force us into the grid cities so that bio weapons Globalists have can work faster and quicker in the second extermination event they plan for the Irish peoples

    Needless to say if any gombeen man in power says do this it is good for you use your noggin you been fooled countless times before and don't fall it this time

    The economy tanking like this is also a plnned event to force us to accept the destructive fracking which we might normally not accept in the hope that it would be good for us

    As he native north American Indian s would say white man speaks with forked tongue and the fracker brigade are the new Calvary in your face come to exterminate you in the reservation of EIRE the Globalists think they will own when all dead


    Derry




  • Not meaning to criticize or belittle the whole revolution and extermination theme. However IHMO the last couple of posts have no place within an Enviromental Science forum.




  • Lads,

    I'm after only having a read of this thread and to be honest this is not environmental science.

    I'm going to close it now and if you want to have a real scientific discussion on the merits and flaws of fracking then feel free to PM me about and we'll get it going.

    However, I will be laying down a ban hammer on anyone pandering the political ****e that has gone on thus far.

    No more non-scientific discussions are to take place regarding fracking.


    You have been warned.


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