Should people do something about taxes on fuel?

Sobanek

Don't you think there should be something done about the high taxes on fuel?
You pay the fuel tax, VAT & excise tax - this adds up to almost 80 cents!!

0.744210387 EUR is the cost of one litre of Brent processed into petrol.


That means that if an average litre of petrol is 1.46, about 72 cents of that is taxes.

Why do you pay taxes on fuel if you pay road tax too? In almost every other country, road tax is included in the cost of petrol.

Don't you people think that there should be something done about this?

TestTransmission

What do you suggest?

Sobanek

TestTransmission wrote: »

What do you suggest?

Gasouts? Protests?

jaffa20

Road tax?:pac:

Sobanek

jaffa20 wrote: »

Road tax?

That little thing I've to pay 614 quid a year for.

stimpson

Sobanek wrote: »

That little thing I've to pay 614 quid a year for.

Oh dear. Wait for it...

Guy:Incognito

Sobanek wrote: »

That little thing I've to pay 614 quid a year for.

That would be "motor tax" and nothign to do with roads.

We could all boycott the fuel here and buy our fuel cheaper up North.............

Needler

We'd have more luck trying to fend off the impending property tax and other sh1te they are wanting to bring in rather than get the fuel tax down. We'll be lucky if fuel tax doesn't go up by at least 10 cents next budget.

Each time they increase or bring in a new thing its bringing Ireland in line with Europe although the past few years its more like still not the highest in Europe

Sobanek

Needler wrote: »

We'd have more luck trying to fend off the impending property tax and other sh1te they are wanting to bring in rather than get the fuel tax down. We'll be lucky if fuel tax doesn't go up by at least 10 cents next budget.

Each time they increase or bring in a new thing its bringing Ireland in line with Europe although the past few years its more like still not the highest in Europe

And yet it's still not the lowest.

That would be "motor tax" and nothign to do with roads.

Currently in Ireland there are 2 systems under which road tax is calculated for passenger cars and this is always a source of confusion, hopefully the following with explain the system to you.

All cars older than 2008 have their road tax calculated based on the cars engine cc's. All cars that are 2008 or newer have their road tax calculated based on the cars CO2 emissions. The above is true in 99% of cases.

The CO2 based system came into force in July 2008 meaning new cars registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 initially had their motor tax charged on the basis of the existing engine size (c.c.) system. However, a low CO2 emitting new car registered between 1 January 2008 and 30 June 2008 had its motor tax switched to the lower CO2 based motor tax rate on first renewal of motor tax post 1 July 2008, when the new CO2 based system commenced. New cars which were registered in the first 6 months of 2008 whose tax would be more under the new CO2 based system continue to pay motortax on the basis of engine size. "

Guy:Incognito

Sobanek wrote: »

And yet it's still not the lowest.

where did you get that info from?

Theres no such thing as "road tax" here.

Thats why the site is www.motortax.ie and has no reference to road tax

Most of the car companies advertise "road tax" rates too, doesnt mean it exists. They are either pandering to the ignorance of their customers or they are ignorant themselves. Or are you saying the government are wrong?

Needler

Sobanek wrote: »

And yet it's still not the lowest.

We're the lowest tax country out of a list of countries selected by a higher taxation proponent, not too far down from Denmark. We havn't beaten Denmark yet so we shouldn't be worried about our taxes being too high, new taxes will benefit us immeasurably. Also you owe the government over a grand every year simply because you own a brick box.

Doesn't matter if you havn't a cent to spare and you're not earning because you have a roof over your head that's actually yours means you're wealthy and have at least a grand to give the Government and expect nothing in return.

Sobanek

Needler wrote: »

We're the lowest tax country out of a list of countries selected by a higher taxation proponent, not too far down from Denmark. We havn't beaten Denmark yet so we shouldn't be worried about our taxes being too high, new taxes will benefit us immeasurably. Also you owe the government over a grand every year simply because you own a brick box.

Doesn't matter if you havn't a cent to spare and you're not earning because you have a roof over your head that's actually yours means you're wealthy and have at least a grand to give the Government and expect nothing in return.

What do you have ot back that up? The only tax I'm aware that is very low is the VAT which is 13.5% (But I've no idea why it's 21% sometimes - which is not low at all)

Besides Ireland has the most expensive food, alcohol, cigarettes and drinks in WHOLE Europe.

Guy:Incognito

Sobanek wrote: »

Besides Ireland has the most expensive food, alcohol, cigarettes and drinks in WHOLE Europe.

Does it? Anyone I know thats been to Paris drinking reckons a pint is much more expensive than here.

Sobanek

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Does it? Anyone I know thats been to Paris drinking reckons a pint is much more expensive than here.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ireland+most+expensive+2011

Needler

Sobanek wrote: »

What do you have ot back that up? The only tax I'm aware that is very low is the VAT which is 13.5% (But I've no idea why it's 21% - which is not low at all)

Besides Ireland has the most expensive food, alcohol, cigarettes and drinks in WHOLE Europe.

Non-serious post wasn't serious.

But if you look in the Irish Economy forum people do actually have that point of view, with hand picked lists of countries and charts that "prove" Ireland is a low tax economy

Ireland might not be the highest on the list but if there was a chart made of services rendered vs tax paid we'd be near the bottom

Guy:Incognito

Sobanek wrote: »

http://www.google.com/search?q=ireland+most+expensive+2011

Is that an anser to peopel whove actually gone and bought a pint there and found it dearer

Sobanek

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is that an anser to peopel whove actually gone and bought a pint there and found it dearer

It obviously depends where you go to. I've been in France shopping before and I've found food and alcohol much cheaper than in Ireland.

unkel

Sobanek wrote: »

0.744210387 EUR is the cost of one litre of Brent processed into petrol.

Out of interest, where did you get that figure from? I could be wrong, but it seems on the high side. And I think we don't get any North Sea oil derived fuel at the pumps here. The last time we did, that dirty oil fecked up many a nice motor. Don't mention the BMW N issue...

Petrol in Venezuela costs 2 cents per litre at the pumps The only good thing we could say about that gobsh1te Chavez

And in many of the middle east OPEC countries it's like 10-20c

Sobanek

Brent Crude + Refinery cost.

Senna

1. Buy a pre 00's diesel (certain cars, defiantly not common rail)
2. Get friendly with the local chipper, restaurant, hotel etc
3. Take their used oil
4. Settle, de-water, filter (possibly make bio-fuel)
5. Put in car
6. Profit
7. Hell, if you really want to go the whole hog, pay 43c tax and your fully legal ( i dont) There's a thread there about the tax/legal side.

Sobanek

Senna wrote: »

1. Buy a pre 00's diesel (certain cars, defiantly not common rail)
2. Get friendly with the local chipper, restaurant, hotel etc
3. Take their used oil
4. Settle, de-water, filter (possibly make bio-fuel)
5. Put in car
6. Profit
7. Hell, if you really want to go the whole hog, pay 43c tax and your fully legal ( i dont) There's a thread there about the tax/legal side.

My friend does this with his 200D W123

keithclancy

Sobanek wrote: »

What do you have ot back that up? The only tax I'm aware that is very low is the VAT which is 13.5% (But I've no idea why it's 21% sometimes - which is not low at all)

Besides Ireland has the most expensive food, alcohol, cigarettes and drinks in WHOLE Europe.

I live in the Netherlands and work in Germany.

My Motor Tax is 1246 / year on a 2005 2.0 Litre Diesel.

My deductions on my wages at source is 52%, hell it took me 6 months to get out of paying Church Tax.

I couldn't give a sh*te about cheap booze and cigarettes as I don't live off booze and cigarettes.

Food is around the same price. Some stuff in Holland is cheaper (Coffee) and other things are more expensive (Beef).

Cars in Holland carry a BPM tax similar to VRT:
http://www.vdsautomotive.nl/en/zakelijk/bpm-calculator/bpm-on-new-car

Income tax, health insurance and Social Insurance is much lower in Ireland than here.

Saying that the quality of life is much better here, peoples lives revolve less about going to the pub and is much more active, the City Center doesn't look like there was a fight with Big Macs and Whopper Meals involved after a Saturday night.

-Chris-

So, apart from all the ranting, boo-hooing etc, what do you actually propose OP?

Let's move the conversation on beyond impotent whinging and discuss practical and realistic alternatives.

Do you want all the tax taken off the fuel and put on Motor Tax?
Do you want it removed entirely and make driving cheaper? If so, what will the gov't replace that revenue with?
What's a gasout?
Who would you protest to and what would you say? Do you think you have an angle the haulier's association haven't thought of?

Berty

Short answer is that If you move one Tax away from something the Net Loss must be attached to something else.

If you really think about it we will still pay for it someway or other.