Maggies & Crows

fodda

Been searching ages and cant find correct answers.

Crows......Protected unless attacking crops/livestock so then shoot. I think this is correct yes/no?

Maggies.....No protection shoot away. Correct yes/no?

Birdnuts

AFAIK Hoodies and Mags can be shot/trapped on sight - other corivds ie. jackdaws and rooks can be shot over crops and around farmyards,feedlots etc.

Tackleberrywho

Birdnuts wrote: »

AFAIK Hoodies and Mags can be shot/trapped on sight - other corivds like jackdaws and rooks can be shot over crops and around farmyards

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declarationfor%20Leinster.pdf

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Air%20Safety.pdf

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Munster.pdf
http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Cavan,%20Donegal%20and%20Monaghan.pdf

Tackleberrywho

People forget because they eat carrion that they can spread disease.
No farmer wants them around their feed stuffs bring disease from other farms

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declarationfor%20Leinster.pdf

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Air%20Safety.pdf

http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Munster.pdf
http://www.npws.ie/media/npws/publications/legaldocs/Declaration%20for%20Cavan,%20Donegal%20and%20Monaghan.pdf

Yep - that sums things up, though obviously the second link only applies to airports/airfields:). I know a few lads who do BCU work on a number of airfields and they mostly use falconry to clear the airspace and will only shoot birds as a last resort.

johngalway

fodda wrote: »

Been searching ages and cant find correct answers.

Crows......Protected unless attacking crops/livestock so then shoot. I think this is correct yes/no?

Maggies.....No protection shoot away. Correct yes/no?

http://www.npws.ie/legislationandconventions/irishlaw/eubirdsdirectivederogations/

FISMA

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

People forget because they eat carrion that they can spread disease.
No farmer wants them around their feed stuffs bring disease from other farms

+1 - so true.

People in general have little clue as to the daily battle farmers have in ensuring the livestock stays healthy. Constant battle. So hard to turn a profit.

Then they wonder why prices rise when they buy their neat, tidy, cellophane wrapped styrofoam packages of beef.

Those people that make the most noise about culling birds would be the first to scream hygiene if they saw silage covered in droppings.

fodda

FISMA wrote: »

+1 - so true.

People in general have little clue as to the daily battle farmers have in ensuring the livestock stays healthy. Constant battle. So hard to turn a profit.

Then they wonder why prices rise when they buy their neat, tidy, cellophane wrapped styrofoam packages of beef.

Those people that make the most noise about culling birds would be the first to scream hygiene if they saw silage covered in droppings.

Thanks all for the information.:)

On the topic of farmers......The reason they make no profit certainly isnt down to any pests, but down to supermarkets and the general public refusing to change their food buying habits. I watched a chicken farming programme recently were the farmer makes just .04p per bird.:eek:

fodda

Confusion:mad:.........When it gives dates i.e. May 1st to August 31st.....does that mean they can only be shot for the reasons stated between those dates and at no other time of the year?

al28283

Maggies has the same amount of letters as Magpies.

Birdnuts

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

People forget because they eat carrion that they can spread disease.
No farmer wants them around their feed stuffs bring disease from other farms

Yes - the lack of specialized species like vultures/kites that clean up carrion without hanging around farmyards and feedlots is a problem since it allows corvids to grow in numbers to unnaturally high levels. This is a growing worldwide problem given the ongoing decline in the former species which has caused increasing human and animal health problems everywhere from Kenya to India eg. In the latter country the massive decline in vulture populations has lead to a big increase in problems with rabid feral dogs and pest species like House Crows. In Kenya rotting animal carcasses are generating increased problems with fly born diseases in both livestock and wild game for the same reasons:(

Birdnuts

fodda wrote: »

Confusion:mad:.........When it gives dates i.e. May 1st to August 31st.....does that mean they can only be shot for the reasons stated between those dates and at no other time of the year?

No - for vermin species the declaration will be rolled over again at the end of august to cover the period of September to April. This happens every year and is signed off by the minister concerned.

johngalway

fodda wrote: »

Confusion:mad:.........When it gives dates i.e. May 1st to August 31st.....does that mean they can only be shot for the reasons stated between those dates and at no other time of the year?

Like Birdnuts says, they roll over. Often it will look like the declaration has expired, only to be updated retrospectively.

Eddy Hill

fodda wrote: »

Been searching ages and cant find correct answers.

Crows......Protected unless attacking crops/livestock so then shoot. I think this is correct yes/no?

Maggies.....No protection shoot away. Correct yes/no?

its as clear as mud but here goes..

a rule of thumb for all hunters /predator controllers or vermin shooters

all bird species are protected in Ireland ( EU Birds Directive )!!
but we can using specified means , hunt certain species during the open season (named in the relevant open seasons order eg mallard, teal, pheasant etc )

certain other species can be controlled ( shot, scared even poisoned under licence ) but these must be a reason
e.g.
certain named species where acting as vectors in the spread of disease.
spoiling/soiling feed lots
danger to public / human health or safety (aircraft landing areas )
causing damage to certain crops eg grain , brassicas, legumes
threat to ground nesting birds

so its not a simple case of shoot on sight ! There is an ambiguity in the relevant Act relating to who can do the shooting for instance but to be perfectly safe -there are zealots out there - this should be the relevant landowner ( crop owner in the case of crops ) manager /owner of a food preparation facility or storage facility
or a person entitled to sporting rights in the case of ground nesting birds ( land owner, occupier ,agent of aforesaid persons etc )

There are cases which have gone before the courts relating to the above -the outcomes are a bit mixed.

One more point, the Birds Directive derogation which allows the control of certain 'vermin' bird species is active for 3 or 4 months at a time and must be signed into order by the relevant Minister -and that was an issue in the Minister verus a shooter in the pigeon shooting case a while ago .