Place to hear Irish nationalist music

snorkleberry

Hi... I posted about this in the nightlife forum, I guess it wasnt the most appropriate forum to post in.

I'm visiting Dublin starting on 7/25 for a week. My grandfather (and his wife) were from Ireland, immigrated to the US when they were young. He was really into Irish nationalist music, and talked about resistance to British rule constantly. When he was in Ireland, it wasn't an independent nation yet!

At any rate, I really don't mean to stoke any political controversies, but he used to listen to Irish nationalist/rebel music all the time, and I'd like to go somewhere to hear that kind of music live. Revisit childhood memories, and so on. Lots of songs I heard in his house, I haven't been able to find elsewhere on the internet.

I'm glad the "troubles" appear to be more or less over, and I really dont mean to start a "political" thread, but I'd love to visit some place where I can hear Irish nationalist music. Any place in Dublin that could be recommended?

Just to address the political question, not that I consider myself very well informed on the topic, but it seems the Belfast Agreement came up with a good solution and path to peace for all sides and I'm all for that. But I would really like to relive some childhood memories and listen to some of the music my grandfather was into, from the source. I have a full itinerary planned for the week and I know Ireland has thankfully moved on from that period of time, but I would like to hear some of this music performed live, and who knows, maybe even hear a few tunes that I used to hear him listen to, performed live at the source.

Thanks for any advice.

Corsendonk

snorkleberry wrote: »

Hi... I posted about this in the nightlife forum, I guess it wasnt the most appropriate forum to post in.

I'm visiting Dublin starting on 7/25 for a week. My grandfather (and his wife) were from Ireland, immigrated to the US when they were young. He was really into Irish nationalist music, and talked about resistance to British rule constantly. When he was in Ireland, it wasn't an independent nation yet!

At any rate, I really don't mean to stoke any political controversies, but he used to listen to Irish nationalist/rebel music all the time, and I'd like to go somewhere to hear that kind of music live. Revisit childhood memories, and so on. Lots of songs I heard in his house, I haven't been able to find elsewhere on the internet.

I'm glad the "troubles" appear to be more or less over, and I really dont mean to start a "political" thread, but I'd love to visit some place where I can hear Irish nationalist music. Any place in Dublin that could be recommended?

Just to address the political question, not that I consider myself very well informed on the topic, but it seems the Belfast Agreement came up with a good solution and path to peace for all sides and I'm all for that. But I would really like to relive some childhood memories and listen to some of the music my grandfather was into, from the source. I have a full itinerary planned for the week and I know Ireland has thankfully moved on from that period of time, but I would like to hear some of this music performed live, and who knows, maybe even hear a few tunes that I used to hear him listen to, performed live at the source.

Thanks for any advice.

This place , special branch will even take photo's of you entering and leaving the premises.

Dionysus

Darkey Kelly's on Fishamble Street usually has a very lively rebel song session on a Sunday at least.

It's in a gorgeous part of old Dublin, right next to Christchurch Cathedral and a few doors up from where Handel's Messiah had its world premiere on 13 April in 1742. You could stay across the road in Jurys Inn Christchurch and you could hear the cathedral bells at night and wander around the medieval walls of Dublin during the day.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Dionysus wrote: »

Darkey Kelly's on Fishamble Street usually has a very lively rebel song session on a Sunday at least.

It's in a gorgeous part of old Dublin, right next to Christchurch Cathedral and a few doors up from where Handel's Messiah had its world premiere on 13 April in 1742. You could stay across the road in Jurys Inn Christchurch and you could hear the cathedral bells at night and wander around the medieval walls of Dublin during the day.

+1 on this place.

My advice would be to ignore The Players Lounge, there's nothing up that way to interest a visitor to our city.

Here's my advice, in the morning do the Glasnevin graves tour. The grave yard has recently completed its renovations and looks great.

Follow that with a visit to Darkeys, get a seat up front near the band. If your hungry they'll deliver your food from their bistro to your table.. The the band what your interested in, if you can sing you'll be invited up or sit there and listen to the regular's/locals.

Darkeys is also part of the Harding Hotel, I've seen them advertising rooms from €40 recently so might be worth checking that out too.

snorkleberry

Thanks I will check out Darkey Kelley's. The hotel didnt have a schedule posted on the website but I'll email them and ask what music they have planned for the week I'm there.

As far as the player's lounge is concerned... looks interesting but I dont think I want any special branches taking my picture!!

snorkleberry

Just been listening to some rebel music on youtube... one must admit, as far as political movements go, Irish republicanism seems pretty much at the top in the musical propaganda category.

Esel

Not many venues playing this stuff nowadays.

You could get some CDs of The Wolfe Tones. Visit the Sinn Fein shop on Parnell Square - I'd say they have a good selection of (old and new) rebel songs.

Walton's music shop nearby on Nth Frederick St would be worth a visit too. They have a branch on the southside also - Sth Gt George's St.

Dionysus

snorkleberry wrote: »

Just been listening to some rebel music on youtube... one must admit, as far as political movements go, Irish republicanism seems pretty much at the top in the musical propaganda category.

Nothing of the sort. As the song says ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ln9QnLaWrY

hehe.

HellFireClub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUkLTqPLePw

snorkleberry

Just an update, the players' lounge mentioned earlier has a rebel music festival this week from Fri through next Monday with several well known irish rebel music/celtic bands.... a good week to be in dublin to hear this stuff

Chucky the tree

Just as a heads up, the players longue is a dump full of scum, I only shudder at the type of crowd it would attract at a rebel music festival.

easygoing39

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Just as a heads up, the players longue is a dump full of scum, I only shudder at the type of crowd it would attract at a rebel music festival.

Special branch will be busy taking pic's outside,they better bring a couple of spare memory cards for the camera!! Celtic/Liverpool jerseys and trackie bottoms all over the place!!

snorkleberry

easygoing39 wrote: »

Special branch will be busy taking pic's outside,they better bring a couple of spare memory cards for the camera!! Celtic/Liverpool jerseys and trackie bottoms all over the place!!

Are you saying this just in fun, or do you really think they would be there taking pictures?

The bands they have lined up are good, I'm just interested in hearing good music of the genre that my grandfather used to listen to all the time, this looks like a good opportunity.

snorkleberry

I wasnt intending to make this thread too political, but Irish nationalist music is an important part of the history of Ireland and it did serve to bring unity and hope to people when both were sorely needed... let's try to give it some respect...
Sorry to say this as just an American of Irish heritage, I know I don't understand the issues as well as Irish people would, but I do think this music should be respected as a part of Irish history that helped the Irish people get through hard times of oppression.

arybvtcw0eolkf

snorkleberry wrote: »

I wasnt intending to make this thread too political, but Irish nationalist music is an important part of the history of Ireland and it did serve to bring unity and hope to people when both were sorely needed... let's try to give it some respect...
Sorry to say this as just an American of Irish heritage, I know I don't understand the issues as well as Irish people would, but I do think this music should be respected as a part of Irish history that helped the Irish people get through hard times of oppression.

Most of us respect Irish music, and our history but thats not what the guys are getting at.

Personally I'd choose another venue.

bigred100

The lads are half taking the mick, but I would go somewhere other than The Players Lounge

Mahou

Celtic football club are playing in a friendly tournament this coming weekend. Charlie and the bhoys and Gary Og are probably in town. There could be over ten thousand Celtic fans coming over from Scotland, England and down from the North so I imagine venues will be overflowing and the price of drinks could be put up. Should be a crazy weekend(in a good way). Have fun.

Chucky the tree

snorkleberry wrote: »

I wasnt intending to make this thread too political, but Irish nationalist music is an important part of the history of Ireland and it did serve to bring unity and hope to people when both were sorely needed... let's try to give it some respect...
Sorry to say this as just an American of Irish heritage, I know I don't understand the issues as well as Irish people would, but I do think this music should be respected as a part of Irish history that helped the Irish people get through hard times of oppression.

Here's a few articles on the pub you'll be going to

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/real-ira-behind-players-shooting-2280478.html

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/stokes-father-faces-threat-charge-15155998.html


Have fun!

wonderfulname

snorkleberry wrote: »

I wasnt intending to make this thread too political, but Irish nationalist music is an important part of the history of Ireland and it did serve to bring unity and hope to people when both were sorely needed... let's try to give it some respect...
Sorry to say this as just an American of Irish heritage, I know I don't understand the issues as well as Irish people would, but I do think this music should be respected as a part of Irish history that helped the Irish people get through hard times of oppression.

You picked up the vibes but not where they were directed, and why you thought it was directed at our own heritage is beyond me. That's one well known pub for all the wrong reasons, have a read of a few other threads on it, see where it takes you;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056006828
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056279729

The Scientician

My impression is that anywhere that plays that sorta music is a tad ropey. Pity, I wouldn't mind going along to hear some of that music live.

My dad was interested in going along to bands like these but being from the north he was always worried the Special Branch would be following him home.

wonderfulname

Ah that's not entirely true, it is a bit in Dublin where trad is a magnet for scumbags, but not everywhere, and certainly not countrywide.

OP if you feel like a trip out I've just realised I should be recommending the Harbour Bar in bray to you, it's 40min outside of the city by dart, 30 by car.

The Scientician

"Irish nationalist music" = rebel songs presumably which are a somewhat distinct subset of trad, I've never been in a fistfight in the Cobblestone.

wonderfulname

Oops, true, well, that depends, there's more nationalist music than just the aul rebel belters.

who the fug

wonderfulname wrote: »

Oops, true, well, that depends, there's more nationalist music than just the aul rebel belters.

yes but I give up when the harp plyers beat up the fiddlers for being blow ins and let us not start about the drums

Wolfe Tone

I know a few lads who always go to the players lounge for Celtic games and know people who live across the road from it, its a lot better than it used to be apparently, all speak highly of the guy who runs it, very anti drugs.

You can find worse places, they get some very good rebel bands in too. Its a working class pub, of course some would equate working class with scumbags, but not myself. You know the type of people who think that just because someone is wearing a Celtic tracksuit they are scumbags.

Been meaning to go down there myself, but I cant afford to get a taxi home.


I will have to check out Darkeys too, how much are the pints?

Miguel_Sanchez

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You know the type of people who think that just because someone is wearing a Celtic tracksuit they are scumbags.

I think people are more worried with the alleged threats the owner has made against other business owners than what type of clothes his clientele wear.

Wolfe Tone

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

I think people are more worried with the alleged threats the owner has made against other business owners than what type of clothes his clientele wear.

Note that word there, alleged.

Its not as if there are no positive pieces out there on him...

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/lsquoirsquom-not-going-to-be-intimidated-by-drug-dealersrsquo-ndash-irish-soccer-acersquos-dad-2363804.html

Miguel_Sanchez

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Note that word there, alleged.

Of course I noted the word. I wrote it.

However my point is that more people are worried about that sort of thing and the various things that have happened in and around the pub rather than the pub's customers being working-class.

It's very easy to say everyone is being a snob but when the pub owner hangs childish attention-seeking banners up when the Queen comes to visit then it's hard to take him seriously at all.

latenia

I saw a poster for this today:

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/Celtic-Double-Header-tickets/artist/1112381?tm_link=edp_Artist_Name

Wolfe Tone

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

Of course I noted the word. I wrote it.

However my point is that more people are worried about that sort of thing and the various things that have happened in and around the pub rather than the pub's customers being working-class.

It's very easy to say everyone is being a snob but when the pub owner hangs childish attention-seeking banners up when the Queen comes to visit then it's hard to take him seriously at all.

I think that poster was pretty clever tbh, he got tons of free advertising, all over the radio too.

The mans entitled to his politics, he is a republican after all.

wonderfulname

Yes, he's entitled to the politics all right, I wouldn't judge a man on that, it's the fact he appears to support the non-political aspects of republicanism that puts me off lining his pockets.

And yes I did note the word appears, but as they say there's no smoke without a fire, and there sure as hell has been a lot of smoke.

Wolfe Tone

wonderfulname wrote: »

Yes, he's entitled to the politics all right, I wouldn't judge a man on that, it's the fact he appears to support the non-political aspects of republicanism that puts me off lining his pockets.

And yes I did note the word appears, but as they say there's no smoke without a fire, and there sure as hell has been a lot of smoke.

What sort of rubbish felon setting is that? There is feck all to suggest that he is any way funding any kind of illegal activities, a handful of bullets in a shed out back means nothing, anyone could have put them there, and they could have been there for years.

Are you accusing him anything? Because thats dangerous ground, your "no smoke without fire" certainly suggests so.

southsiderosie

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What sort of rubbish felon setting is that? There is feck all to suggest that he is any way funding any kind of illegal activities, a handful of bullets in a shed out back means nothing, anyone could have put them there, and they could have been there for years.

Are you accusing him anything? Because thats dangerous ground, your "no smoke without fire" certainly suggests so.

Regardless of his politics, there seems to have been a lot of nonsense in and around that pub, so why send a tourist out there? Especially when there are venues that are a) in the city center and b) do not have such a dodgy reputation?

wonderfulname

Why are you getting so defensive? Ooh it's you isn't it?

How were the bullets found again? There was reason to suspect that there was RIRA activity going on, and hence there was a raid on the premises. In much the same manner I have reason to suspect the man is not who he strives to present himself as, it's not enough that I am going to accuse him of anything, despite your assertions I am doing so, but it is enough to warrant my choice in not drinking there.

Wolfe Tone

southsiderosie wrote: »

Regardless of his politics, there seems to have been a lot of nonsense in and around that pub, so why send a tourist out there? Especially when there are venues that are a) in the city center and b) do not have such a dodgy reputation?

The OP wants to hear rebel music, the Players Lounge is having a rebel music festival with some top rebel bands when he/she is in Ireland.




That sounds really good actually, I would love to see Athenrye.

Thats those lads OP.

southsiderosie

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The OP wants to hear rebel music, the Players Lounge is having a rebel music festival with some top rebel bands when he/she is in Ireland.

Yeah I understand that. But I doubt we would be having this conversation if the festival was at Wheelan's.

Wolfe Tone

southsiderosie wrote: »

Yeah I understand that. But I doubt we would be having this conversation if the festival was at Wheelan's.

Probably not, but some of the reaction to the Players Lounge is a bit OTT in fairness.

At the end of the day its the OPs choice, but I can't imagine there being a better selection of top rebel bands playing when he is in Dublin than those in the Players Lounge, its a very good lineup. The other places may be handier though.

I forgot about those Celtic games, the place will be buzzing too, I'm gutted I can't get down to Dublin myself now!

Wolfe Tone

Just heard that the special guest band from the poster above is "Derek Warfield and the Young Wolfe Tones"


Now that is a very very good line up, I doubt anywhere else could top it

Miguel_Sanchez

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I think that poster was pretty clever tbh, he got tons of free advertising, all over the radio too.

The mans entitled to his politics, he is a republican after all.

So was the banner about his politic views or just about cheap advertising?

I believe yours and my definition of what's clever differ greatly.

bobbysands81

Note to OP - Players Lounge will be a fantastic place to be this weekend, fantastic!

I guarantee the crowd there will be friendly and you'll have a ball. I've been going to gigs such as these for years and the craic at them is magic!

The place will be rocking but, although the whole thing is free, I think you still need a ticket cos the crowds there will be massive.

Like any large crowds there's always propensity for a clown to cause trouble but (and you'd never guess it from reading myopic posts on this Board) Celtic fans are renowned worldwide for being friendly, not fighting with other fans and self policing.

Gavin "shels"

Christ that poster says it all, "DUBLINS NO 1 CETLIC SUPPORTERS PUB"!

CrackisWhack

Go to the players lounge for a couple of hours and see what you think(It's only 15 mins outside town on a bus), you won't be interrogated by the special branch or bombed etc. as some of the hysterical posters would suggest.

Miguel_Sanchez

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Go to the players lounge for a couple of hours and see what you think(It's only 15 mins outside town on a bus), you won't be interrogated by the special branch or bombed etc. as some of the hysterical posters would suggest.

I think you'll find they were taking the p*ss.

Wolfe Tone

Well, the place was raided at 2am, the manager tied up, money stolen, and the place burned down.

That sucks.

latenia

I love the way this thread ended. Keep up the good tourist advice lads!!

kfallon

He had the Irish Brigade down there all weekend and now he has the fire brigade there