Irish take on a barn conversion

Slig

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/houses/2301031

Looks interresting!

martinn123

Slig wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/houses/2301031

Looks interresting!

Looks like the Arch'd bit is empty, probably to store the hay bales

Suppose that will improve the insulation, and keep them snug for the winter.

muffler

I find the slatted sheds much closer to nature :pac:

Poor Uncle Tom

muffler wrote: »

I find the slatted sheds much closer to nature :pac:

very convenient meal time arrangements too.......:p

Poor Uncle Tom

On a serious note, I've seen where some fellas have put a mobile home or caravan into a lean-to like the one above and stayed there for lambing or calving, it's very convenient.

We have previously gotten planning permission to direct a shower, toilet and whb into a slatted tank, on a lot of occasions.

muffler

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

very convenient meal time arrangements too.......:p

Lol

YouTookMyName

Rain noise off that galvanise would be chronic.

Outkast_IRE

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Rain noise off that galvanise would be chronic.

all part of the charm

Slig

Serious value to be got on that website, especially with property. If its charm you are after there are plenty of damp small cottages for sale for the price of a reasonable car

RKQ

More of a DIY job than a "barn conversion".
God only knows whats been used to build it - look at the surface mounted electrics and plumbing, no plinth to plaster etc. I wonder what else you'd find?

Slig

9" hollow block, probably no foundations and an agricultural water & electricity supply. Probably about as much insulation as your average slatted shed

the_syco

Slig wrote: »

If its charm you are after there are plenty of damp small cottages for sale for the price of a reasonable car

Many with thatched roofs that you'll have to change yearly, which you can't take off as their protected, some whose structure is protected so you can't fix the damp, and others where you'll need to dig up the loor to get at the problem..

In short; no thanks, too much hassle.

sydthebeat

thats a very expensive shed youd be buying...

i cant see how it can be sold as anything else assuming
1. no PP
2. no regulation compliance

Poor Uncle Tom

RKQ wrote: »

I wonder what else you'd find?

The resident critters might be a bit on the large side.....:pac:

Slig

the_syco wrote: »

Many with thatched roofs that you'll have to change yearly, which you can't take off as their protected, some whose structure is protected so you can't fix the damp, and others where you'll need to dig up the loor to get at the problem..

In short; no thanks, too much hassle.

You could expect to pay from €140-€200k for what you are describing above 3 years ago, thats far more than what brand new houses were going for in this area at the time.

Before we bought in 2006 we were looking for cheap cottages to do up ourselves but to buy something less than 100m2, that had a roof, no floor, no doors or windows on 3/4 acres was costing 30% more than the bigger brand new semi-d we eventually bought.

cottageology

It must have planning permission to sell as as a 2 bed, you are not allowed to sell or advertise a property without planning permission - for example - if you have an attic conversion bedroom that doesn't have planning permission then you cannot include it in your sales brochure as a bedroom. On the other hand when it comes to contracts they could just say it was a shed - which to be fair - is all it is really with some furniture thrown in.

Just to the_syco - A thatched roof will last 15-20 years - not changed yearly. Yearly maintenance will prolong its life and it is possible to take a course on thatch maintenance, this was a skill that was passed down from father to son and it is sad that it will be all but gone within our generation.

Poor Uncle Tom

cottageology wrote: »

...you are not allowed to sell or advertise a property without planning permission

Just to point out that this is not in fact correct.

A private sale can take place for any piece of ground or building whether it has planning permission or not. Obviously it is not wise to buy a property without having all the necessary planning permissions in order, but I have to point out that it is possible to do so in case anyone thinks that by being able to buy a property that all the planning permission is in order, this is not always the case.

Slig

and to add to that, additional works carried out that comply with the building regs are ok.

however, an attic conversion that has a floor to ceiling of less than 2.4m cannot be advertised as habitable space. There are also regulations regarding the ratio of ceiling to floor and fire regs etc. A room with a floor area of less than 3.5 SqM cannot be advertised as a habitable room either. These are fine points that are often overlooked by the estate agents, especially in rural Ireland

cottageology

Apologies about that - I definatley don't know the legal ins and outs of it . When I was working in Auctioneering we could not advertise any property as being a house if it didn't have permission (eg: a converted granny flat had to be advertised as a garage when it didn't have planning permission).

Cheers for the correction!

Poor Uncle Tom

cottageology wrote: »

Apologies about that - I definatley don't know the legal ins and outs of it . When I was working in Auctioneering we could not advertise any property as being a house if it didn't have permission (eg: a converted granny flat had to be advertised as a garage when it didn't have planning permission).

That was probably good office policy rather than any legal direction, good to know some firms still have morals.....:D (just joking, btw,)

sydthebeat

cottageology wrote: »

Apologies about that - I definatley don't know the legal ins and outs of it . When I was working in Auctioneering we could not advertise any property as being a house if it didn't have permission (eg: a converted granny flat had to be advertised as a garage when it didn't have planning permission).

Cheers for the correction!

if only all auctioneers were that careful.

generally, what has planning permission and what hasn't really isn't discovered until after a bid is made on the property and then the vendors solicitors are asked to produce certificates of compliance (or exemption) for the subject properties.
I know of many sales that are held up because the requirement for planning isnt discovered until well into the sales process.

By right the property for sale should have all legal required documents (certs of complaince, BER, etc) available for viewing for all prospective purchasers... .however, this is ireland and we do things ar$e ways here.

cottageology

... They were a good crowd alright - wouldn't you know they went out of business - there was only so long they could keep going against the big boys I guess!

I agree - all legal documents should be furnished up front. That would also stop a lot of messing about by sellers - If they had to make a financial outlay before sale agreed, you could be guaranteed that they are serious sellers and not just testing the market. But that would just make way too much sense for here!