Range Rover Evoque

carsfan

This is getting massive hype/exposure in the British press.
I don't think it is anything to write home about and in the UK at least is extremely expensive.
They all ridiculed the BMW x6 but this appears no more practical just a bit smaller in fact and 3doors?!
What do people think?
Will it be a success?

copacetic

There is a 5 door, it's much cheaper/smaller than an x6, it looks well, has good off road ability. It will sell very well and appears a good looking reasonably practical high set hatchback.

Marcusm

I've sat in both versions at Canary Wharf Motorexpo but not test driven. Freelander running gear, diesel and petrol engines with 2WD Eco version to follow next year. Very high end finish and entry price below top end of the Freelander range so don't think it's more than Market will bear. I'm a big guy ( all directions) and would probably choose a different SUV as I didn't find it that spacious. It will find a big Market although a worry is some feel it's being pushed towards women drivers only. It's big enough for a family car with 2 kids but no more.

I think it'll sell in huge volume and likely be very profitable. That said, I bet a lot will trade down from a RR Sport.

Needler

The SUV is dead. In a few years well be lucky if we can afford a two cylinder diesel with one gear and a centrifugal clutch

spank_inferno

I dont think the SUV is dead at all.
The last couple of years we've see a lot of them downsize and be mixed with the new breeds of "cross overs"

I think the Evoque fits the niche very well.
(though very expensive)

Does anyone know what 4x4 system it uses?
Is it the Haldex system that the likes of VAG use?

101sean

It's on the same platform as Freelander 2 and the 4wd is by Haldex combined with Land Rover's Terrain Response technology.

VolvoMan

The only people who are giving it such exposure are Autocar and we all know that's only because they are Jaguar/Land Rover's PR machine.

Needler

VolvoMan wrote: »

The only people who are giving it such exposure are Autocar and we all know that's only because they are Jaguar/Land Rover's Tata's PR machine.

Fyp

Bodhan

It's going to be €40,975 for the boggo spec here which will have very little in it for that money.
I sat in loads of them over at the Goodwood festival, it's small with a small boot. Think of a Nissan Juke size that looks a whole lot better.
Audi Q3 might give it a run for it's money, sure it doesn't look as nice but it's an Audi.

Needler

spank_inferno wrote: »

I dont think the SUV is dead at all.
The last couple of years we've see a lot of them downsize and be mixed with the new breeds of "cross overs"

I think the Evoque fits the niche very well.
(though very expensive)

Does anyone know what 4x4 system it uses?
Is it the Haldex system that the likes of VAG use?

But will it be good to pull a trailer and off road or is it a fashion accessory?

VolvoMan

Needler wrote: »

But will it be good to pull a trailer and off road or is it a fashion accessory?

No. The Evoque is merely an automotive fashion trinket with no actual purpose and is whoring the Range Rover title so top dollar can be charged for it. It is a pure sign of everything that is wrong with the automotive industry at present, where 'marketing ****' is depended on to sell cars rather than actual attributes of a specific model.

I mean, even the name is bloody stupid (Evoque???) and sounds like something Lotus would make up for one of their ligtweight sports cars, not some fat, bloated product of cynicism endorsed by celebrity low lifes.

R.O.R

VolvoMan wrote: »

No. The Evoque is merely an automotive fashion trinket with no actual purpose and is whoring the Range Rover title so top dollar can be charged for it. It is a pure sign of everything that is wrong with the automotive industry at present, where 'marketing ****' is depended on to sell cars rather than actual attributes of a specific model.

I mean, even the name is bloody stupid (Evoque???) and sounds like something Lotus would make up for one of their ligtweight sports cars, not some fat, bloated product of cynicism endorsed by celebrity low lifes.

Did you miss James May putting an Evoque through it's paces off road? Seemed to handle the rough(ish) stuff pretty admirably for a "fashion trinket".

copacetic

R.O.R wrote: »

Did you miss James May putting an Evoque through it's paces off road? Seemed to handle the rough(ish) stuff pretty admirably for a "fashion trinket".

Agreed. There have been a few other off road reviews too and they've been very careful to keep the standard Landy off road capabilities in the Evoque.

The only thing worse than people just jumping to buy because of the badge are the ill informed who spout complete rubbish about cars with absolutely no knowledge to back it up.

I've seen the 5 door and the comment above about the Juke is way off too. It's way bigger in every dimension. Equivalent to a focus hatchback or more, it has similar space to a qashqui, X1 etc. Not far off the A4 avant.

E39MSport

It will be the same as usual.

Great looker, great engine and great to drive but put together by a bunch of monkeys and falling apart before it leaves the Factory.

listermint

E39MSport wrote: »

It will be the same as usual.

Great looker, great engine and great to drive but put together by a bunch of monkeys and falling apart before it leaves the Factory.

Its not the assembly, its the cost cutting on the parts. Cheap parts with Zero Longevity.

BeardyGit

Bodhan wrote: »

....sure it doesn't look as nice but it's an Audi.

Ah here, are you just writing that to pacify the VAG-whores here, or do you think that's something that should be taken seriously? You'll be telling us a 4x4 Octavia estate would be better in a minute!

E39MSport

listermint wrote: »

Its not the assembly, its the cost cutting on the parts. Cheap parts with Zero Longevity.

good point, but the paint dribbles? rattles? panel/bonnet/boot door alignment?

R.O.R

First vehicles are due to arrive mid August, but the bad news is that they are all manuals. Starts at around €43,000.

Auto versions will start at around €50,000 as it goes up 2 VRT bands.

jmayo

Marcusm wrote: »

I've sat in both versions at Canary Wharf Motorexpo but not test driven. Freelander running gear, diesel and petrol engines with 2WD Eco version to follow next year. Very high end finish and entry price below top end of the Freelander range so don't think it's more than Market will bear.

I just don't get it.
Why use the Range Rover badge on a car based on freelander and with possible 2wd ?????
Yep I can see 2WD doing great for the one huge sales & marketing brand image advantage that Land Rover/Range Rover has, their great ability off road.
Even when their build quality was complete sh**e they still could say they were one of the best 4x4 offroaders in the world.
In fact I think they have dropped the "the best 4x4 by far" motto.

And it bloody looks awful.
It is the same as the X6, whoring the name to try and catch another little chunk of the market, people who want a hatch back with 4x4 name on it.

Marcusm wrote: »

I'm a big guy ( all directions) and would probably choose a different SUV as I didn't find it that spacious. It will find a big Market although a worry is some feel it's being pushed towards women drivers only. It's big enough for a family car with 2 kids but no more.

I think it'll sell in huge volume and likely be very profitable. That said, I bet a lot will trade down from a RR Sport.

I think it will be a flop.
People who buy Range Rovers will not touch it as they will see it as Range Rover for plebs and young wantabees.
People who have Range Rover Sports have them because they want a less expensive proper Range Rover or they want something a bit sportier but practical.
This aint anywhere near what a Range Rover Sport is.

VolvoMan wrote: »

No. The Evoque is merely an automotive fashion trinket with no actual purpose and is whoring the Range Rover title so top dollar can be charged for it. It is a pure sign of everything that is wrong with the automotive industry at present, where 'marketing ****' is depended on to sell cars rather than actual attributes of a specific model.

I mean, even the name is bloody stupid (Evoque???) and sounds like something Lotus would make up for one of their ligtweight sports cars, not some fat, bloated product of cynicism endorsed by celebrity low lifes.

Agree 100%.

BTW people should not knock TATA, afterall Ireland's richest man owns 18.5% of the company
Shure Land Rover are as good as Irish.

copacetic

R.O.R wrote: »

First vehicles are due to arrive mid August, but the bad news is that they are all manuals. Starts at around €43,000.

Auto versions will start at around €50,000 as it goes up 2 VRT bands.

Is that manual 2WD 150bhp versus auto 4WD 190bhp? I think the auto is only available with the higher bhp engines and 4WD? Not such a big jump in price if so.

Still pretty steep for the size of car.

R.O.R

copacetic wrote: »

Is that manual 2WD 150bhp versus auto 4WD 190bhp? I think the auto is only available with the higher bhp engines and 4WD? Not such a big jump in price if so.

Still pretty steep for the size of car.

I think the first lot are manual 4x4's, but I didn't actually check. Suppose they could be 4x2 and that would explain a €7k difference.

carsfan

I think it is the type of car that a few years ago would have sold well here, but at the pricing for its size we will see very few of them.
Mini/A1 drivers will not spend that much surely?

Fiskar

link to review by the Telegragh

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/land-rover/8636873/Range-Rover-Evoque-review.html

Needler

BeardyGit wrote: »

Ah here, are you just writing that to pacify the VAG-whores here, or do you think that's something that should be taken seriously? You'll be telling us a 4x4 Octavia estate would be better in a minute!

I suppose you could but the land rover in the boot of your Octavia. Would save you fuel only pull out the land rover when you need it

pajo1981

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEjj6PKu_ws

I defy you to watch this video and not want one.

E39MSport

Don't want one.

pajo1981

E39MSport wrote: »

Don't want one.

But James May...

keithclancy

BeardyGit wrote: »

Ah here, are you just writing that to pacify the VAG-whores here, or do you think that's something that should be taken seriously? You'll be telling us a 4x4 Octavia estate would be better in a minute!

Your thinking of the Skoda Yeti ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kEJ-pHkWA

Mr.David

jmayo wrote: »

I just don't get it.
Why use the Range Rover badge on a car based on freelander and with possible 2wd ?????
Yep I can see 2WD doing great for the one huge sales & marketing brand image advantage that Land Rover/Range Rover has, their great ability off road.
Even when their build quality was complete sh**e they still could say they were one of the best 4x4 offroaders in the world.
In fact I think they have dropped the "the best 4x4 by far" motto.

And it bloody looks awful.
It is the same as the X6, whoring the name to try and catch another little chunk of the market, people who want a hatch back with 4x4 name on it.



I think it will be a flop.
People who buy Range Rovers will not touch it as they will see it as Range Rover for plebs and young wantabees.
People who have Range Rover Sports have them because they want a less expensive proper Range Rover or they want something a bit sportier but practical.
This aint anywhere near what a Range Rover Sport is.



Agree 100%.

BTW people should not knock TATA, afterall Ireland's richest man owns 18.5% of the company
Shure Land Rover are as good as Irish.

All this talk of it being based on the Freelander - so what?! Audis are based on VWs, are based on Skodas etc. The Freelander 2 is a good place to start and only represents 30% of the overall vehicle.

2WD is not something LR would like to adopt, but it has to in order to survive. Those that want 4WD can have it, those that purely want the vehicle as a fashion accessory/onroad vehicle can have 2WD - and who cares, whats the big deal? Stick 4WD in every vehicle and everyone moans about pricing, weight and fuel economy. Adopt 2WD and people say its not a genuine LR - you cannot win!!

It won't be a flop. I can all but guarantee you that. Maybe in Ireland it wont sell in high volumes but thats hardly representative of the global marketplace. China will buy them by the bucketload. Expect to see some serious waiting lists for this car.

You mention RR Sport - a car I dislike (now that is a jumped up LR and unfit to wear the RR badge). This is a much truer RR than the Sport.

Who owns 18.5% of TATA from Ireland?!

VolvoMan

R.O.R wrote: »

Did you miss James May putting an Evoque through it's paces off road? Seemed to handle the rough(ish) stuff pretty admirably for a "fashion trinket".

It's still available in 2WD though. That tells you enough about it that you need to know.

R.O.R

VolvoMan wrote: »

It's still available in 2WD though. That tells you enough about it that you need to know.

Freelander is available in 2wd also - does that make it a "fashion trinket" all of a sudden?

EPM

VolvoMan wrote: »

It's still available in 2WD though. That tells you enough about it that you need to know.

That they need to get average emissions down?

VolvoMan

R.O.R wrote: »

Freelander is available in 2wd also - does that make it a "fashion trinket" all of a sudden?

No, it just makes it even more unnecessary.

EPM wrote: »

That they need to get average emissions down?

I am aware of that.

Land Rover were a sub division of Rover cars that were solely known for producing 4x4 vehicles. To produce anything in the range with 2WD is sacrilege IMO, even worse than BMW going front-wheel-drive.

EPM

But they are a business first and foremost. They need to meet market demands and the 2wd will sell. It's not as if they have turned their back on the serious stuff and you can still buy a capable version.

VolvoMan

EPM wrote: »

But they are a business first and foremost. They need to meet market demands and the 2wd will sell. It's not as if they have turned their back on the serious stuff and you can still buy a capable version.

Auto manufacturers managed to be businesses 10-20 years ago without totally selling out.

R.O.R

VolvoMan wrote: »

Auto manufacturers managed to be businesses 10-20 years ago without totally selling out.

10-20 years ago manufacturer's didn't have emission targets to hit.

VolvoMan

R.O.R wrote: »

10-20 years ago manufacturer's didn't have emission targets to hit.

10-20 years ago every second car launched wasn't an SUV either.

EPM

VolvoMan wrote: »

Auto manufacturers managed to be businesses 10-20 years ago without totally selling out.

But they haven't totally sold out.

VolvoMan

EPM wrote: »

But they haven't totally sold out.

They very nearly have.

Agree to disagree anyway.

jmayo

Mr.David wrote: »

All this talk of it being based on the Freelander - so what?! Audis are based on VWs, are based on Skodas etc. The Freelander 2 is a good place to start and only represents 30% of the overall vehicle.

Yeah and the Porsche 911 was based on a bettle.
Eh you will probably find that Skodas, Seats are based on VWs and not the other way around.
I think they are lessening the Range Rover brand and marque.

Mr.David wrote: »

2WD is not something LR would like to adopt, but it has to in order to survive.

So build a car rather than a bastardised yokie me bobs.
Next thing we will see a 4x4 offroad Jag ???

Mr.David wrote: »

...
It won't be a flop. I can all but guarantee you that. Maybe in Ireland it wont sell in high volumes but thats hardly representative of the global marketplace. China will buy them by the bucketload. Expect to see some serious waiting lists for this car.

Are you an expert on Chinese market ?
I guess they mightn't mind the cramped back.

Mr.David wrote: »

You mention RR Sport - a car I dislike (now that is a jumped up LR and unfit to wear the RR badge). This is a much truer RR than the Sport.

??

Mr.David wrote: »

Who owns 18.5% of TATA from Ireland?!

Pallonji Mistry is technically Ireland's richest man (around $6 billion) as he holds an Irish passport and not an Indian one, through his marriage to a Dublin woman.
He doesn't hold an Indian passport anymore AFAIK abut is one of the richest men in the country owning 18.5 % of Tata Sons which is the Tata Group which bought guess what
His two sons are involved in the group and may also have Irish passports.

EPM wrote: »

But they haven't totally sold out.

Not yet.

EPM

VolvoMan wrote: »

They very nearly have.

Agree to disagree anyway.

Very nearly isn't the same as totally but we'll leave it at that;)

Eric Cartman

If toyota/honda/isuzu built the normal range rover , I would buy one in the morning , the reliability is my only problem with them , The reasons I love the range rover are its massive, kind of boxy , very capable offroad, massive interior and very comfortable

this new evoque is not any of those things , its designed to fit into the 'quashqai segment' basically people who want to appear to drive a large 4x4 but like driving crappy 2wd yokes instead , I think the evoque, while it will probably be a financial success , it dilutes the brand , takes away from vehicles like the discovery and propper range rover. Not a single 4x4 one of these will be sold in Ireland , its like the lexus rx450h, its a toy for people with too much money and no taste or sense, cant wait to see a few of them stranded at the side of the road with all the quasqais in winter with dumb drivers going 'i thought a jeep could go up this snow hill'

exador

E39MSport wrote: »

It will be the same as usual.

Great looker, great engine and great to drive but put together by a bunch of monkeys and falling apart before it leaves the Factory.

? ?
stupid comment about a car that hasn't even been released yet. If it is running gear of FL2 and a lot of the same gear then it is already proven. wait and see !

E39MSport

Really??

Bit harsh there pal.

My first hand experience is that build quality and attention to detail along with parts quality of Range Rovers rolling out of North England is atrocious given the cost of ownership.

Btw, its in production since July 11. What do you mean by 'released'?

exador

The Evoque will not be available for sale in Ireland until late August at best therefore unless you have been at some ride and drive event I assume you didn't drive it and have the time to check for build quality or parts fallen off.

by released I meant on sale to the public ... of course the car is in production...

You are entitled to your opinion but I think you are been a bit presumptious and assume you are basing your opinion on previous models from the same manafacturer. I would agree with you to a point on the previous models but in my first hand experience the build quality has improved greatly and If they carry this forward to the evoque it can only be more improvent.

Time will tell if this is the case so until such time until the car is RELEASED to joe public and have got the numbers out there for a period of time I will reserve my opinion.

VolvoMan

I know I've posted in this thread before, but I'm sorry, I still don't get what all the fuss over this car is about.

-Chris-

VolvoMan wrote: »

I know I've posted in this thread before, but I'm sorry, I still don't get what all the fuss over this car is about.

Yeah, I think we all got that

VolvoMan

-Chris- wrote: »

Yeah, I think we all got that

I think it's probably to do with the fact that Victoria Beckham is associated with it.

exador

I agree there is a lot of hype about it but thats down to the marketing and PR machine. The fact that it is a new model and that it appears to be getting a lot of people talking it is obviously working.

Will the hype and FUSS be reflected by the actual sales ? time will tell.. It will need to hit the ground running as once the honeymoon period is over it will need to live up to the hype.

Time will tell..

CompleteCarGuy

Drove the Evoque today and yesterday

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http://www.completecar.ie/testdrives/article/Range_Rover/null/Evoque/389/1229