The Irish Times

SOL

Just read this in the Irish times in an article which kinda just left me thinking about the kind of people who are in academia...

"Scientists who work in quantum physics and regard the mind-born entity called knowledge as the main formative, causative factor in the making of the cosmos, normally assure us it is not as advocates of any religion that they arrive at these views."

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Morbert

SOL wrote: »

Just read this in the Irish times in an article which kinda just left me thinking about the kind of people who are in academia...

"Scientists who work in quantum physics and regard the mind-born entity called knowledge as the main formative, causative factor in the making of the cosmos, normally assure us it is not as advocates of any religion that they arrive at these views."

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What quantum physicists regard knowledge as the main formative, causative factor in the making of the cosmos? The closest I know of is speculation by wheeler, who was not a quantum physicist.

It leaves me thinking about the kind of people who are in journalism.

SOL

I was initially questioning journalists till I read who the author was:

"James P Mackey is visiting professor in the school of religions and theology at TCD and professor emeritus of theology at the University of Edinburgh. His most recent books include Christianity and Creation"

I'm not for a minute suggesting that academics are to blame for what this guy says "scientists" do, just for the fact that they count him among their numbers...

Turtwig

SOL wrote: »

I'm not for a minute suggesting that academics are to blame for what this guy says "scientists" do, just for the fact that they count him among their numbers...

What do you expect, theologians pretty much have carte blanche and can claim whatever pseudoscience nonsense they like. Do yourself a favour and never read any of the writings of William Lane Craig about physics.

El Siglo

I like this bit of the article:

Since a full understanding of it requires a broad acquaintance with both physical science (especially quantum physics) and metaphysics and few, possibly including Dawkins (a mere biologist, if not just a zoologist) can claim such broad expertise, it is sufficient to note briefly here how those properly endowed do handle it.

The metaphysics bit is really funny because it's that kind of pseudo-science crap that Richard Feynman detested when it came to these "inane" humanities types who try to hijack certain parts of the scientific method. It's also funny how he refers to Dawkins as a "mere biologist", I suppose biology is a waste of time, it's not as if anything good ever came from it... Idiot statement, that pretty much goes to show the pathetic argument your man pursued.

I'm not much of a fan of Dawkins, but I can see where he's coming from when he does the tirade on religion and all that jazz. I really hate it though when charlatans like this lecturer try to discuss real scientific work (albeit, the big picture science stuff) and literally write shite.

@SOL, I saw that book... fuck sake, belongs up here in the bible belt (North Antrim) with a title like that!

Anonymo

El Siglo wrote: »

I like this bit of the article:



The metaphysics bit is really funny because it's that kind of pseudo-science crap that Richard Feynman detested when it came to these "inane" humanities types who try to hijack certain parts of the scientific method. It's also funny how he refers to Dawkins as a "mere biologist", I suppose biology is a waste of time, it's not as if anything good ever came from it... Idiot statement, that pretty much goes to show the pathetic argument your man pursued.

I'm not much of a fan of Dawkins, but I can see where he's coming from when he does the tirade on religion and all that jazz. I really hate it though when charlatans like this lecturer try to discuss real scientific work (albeit, the big picture science stuff) and literally write shite.

@SOL, I saw that book... fuck sake, belongs up here in the bible belt (North Antrim) with a title like that!

How did the Irish Times publish this load of drivel.

Scientists who work in quantum physics and regard the mind-born entity called knowledge as the main formative, causative factor in the making of the cosmos, normally assure us it is not as advocates of any religion that they arrive at these views.

What does this mean!? Utter nonsense - the mind-born entity!!
Like you El Silgo, I'm not a big fan of Dawkins. His method of polarising groups into science people or religious people is not helpful to anything. However the muppet that wrote this article just drives people into this line of thinking.