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The Felix Circle - Fraud or Not?
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10-07-2011 11:12pm#1
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I know nothing of the Felix circle, but I do have some knowledge and experience of witnessing* physical mediumship.
The explanation I have been given for the use of darkness and curtains is because the energies used and the deep trance state of the medium make bright lights dangerous. The fact that this is also a handy situation for those who want to fake physical mediumship is to me, more than just unfortunate.
Deep trance states used in other ways seem not to have the problem with light, and are often done in lit areas, though loud noises are discouraged as they bring the medium out of trance too quickly. This something I have experienced, its a genuine issue. Contrary to this physical mediums encourage the use of loud singing during physical seances. So that kind of contradiction always leaves me a little puzzled and suspicious. Tho Im first to admit my experiences are limited.
*it was pitch dark. 0 -
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Hey Doc, happy I could serve you with some "insights" or lets say "experiences".
Your story sounds breathtaking as well. I guess we have the same aim. Investigation on a balanced way. The danger of getting tricked is high if you tend to believe everything. The risk of putting it all aside is as big if you tend more to say to say "trust noone". The problem is, in this field you have two big sides...
...the BELIEVER side
where people really tend to believe everything and cheating is easy for any fraud. I met so many people from that side it made me sick. Nice fellowes of any age from young to old. But the will to accept everything without doubt and questioning was frustrating. My last experiences concerning that was when I visited a David Thompson "spectacle" some months ago. People sat there full of fascination and hope even before DT did anything spectacular. I have to add he never did spectacular things the whole night trough but people WANTED to be be amazed and so they were.
Any C-class magician or fortune teller from a seasonal fare could have have served those people this night. What a shame. I really love this kind of people as they are open minded and friendly, but if they are confronted to anyone who abuses this character style, they really are just victims and I feel sorry for them. Second is their will to blindly believe everything does not help the idea of investigation and finding out the truth. Shame on the people who abuse those people who believe in the good. Shame on those who use this for their profit. I wont name anyone who is definitely fraud but I do not lean too much out of the window if I say Thompson took quite a bunch of money for a happening that definitely did not fulfil the wish to get prove. (I could tell more of my insights but this posting will be long enough even without those comments). I was faced with people who did not get the smallest information and prove but they came from far away to contact deceased. When Thompson said "here is your father" to a approx 66 year old lady (what aguess) she started almost crying. Note: nothing happened but she WANTED someting to happen and so she was happy already. Just one example of one day. I havebeen to many. I can tell you it is disturbing.
...the NON BELIEVER side
its all fraud. No need to speak about it anymore. Those narrow minded people seem really to be afraid of getting into something new. I can understand that somehow. If you get into that SCENE you see so many frauds and cheaters, you finally run the risk to set everything on the fraud level. Its the easy way. Seen it, judged it, up and away with that rubbish. On to something that will be more comfortable and not endangering the reputation. TV shows that debunk and close minded sceptics as Randy with his dogmatic behaviour support that flood of disbelief. (I agree that just believing is not enough, prove is needed) So many frauds, it is really hard to seperate those from the TRUE, GIFTED ones.
This side would be even more helpful to the subject if they would not refuse any further discussion on the topic. They set a wall and say. NO further. Otherwise the sceptical idea is quite fine, as you only get on results if you really question and doubt things. But the sentence is over if soemone sets a final point as is not willing to go on in "thinking about". I was in danger getting to that point as well. But I managed getting the curve in time.
Most people I met fell on the one side or the other.
Keeping the balance on that rope between both sides is hard work. And every day, every experience shakes you on your small rope you try to stay up from one side or the other.
--> You visit a seance and see its just dfraud. Danger of falling down from the rope into the "ALLFRAUD" side.
--> You get into a conversation with scientists who work on near death experiences, you tend to fall on the BELIEVERS side.
Not an easy thing. But since DEATH is the main topic of our LIFE I guess and feel its worth working on it. And I see its necessary to show the world there are people who are not dumbfolded blind and willing to believe everything but besides they are sceptic have high value reasons to believe. In the final instance the people who doubt but do not refuse the new will bring the truth to the broad instance.
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In my opinion life after death has already been proven in some ways. Not by any spirit circle working in pitch black, still sending weak excuses on not using night goggles or infrared camers. It is proven by scientists. Or for sceptics lets say, they are actually very into proving it.
We will never get results that confirm our hope on life after death from seances as long as mediums refuse to cooperate with scientists. I know scientists who are true believers, not interested in showing fraud. They had breathtaking experiences BUT they agree, as long as no scientific prove has been made, noone would believe them.
No effort, and believe me there have been many led to a cooperation with the so called gifted mediums of our days. It seems so called mediums enjoy more travelling round the globe an doing a circus show. Imagine. David Thompson travels from continent to continent like a star presenting people Louis Armstrong singing "wonderful world" (as one stupid example for the always the same schduled lineup)
Do you believe any deceased person would have nothing better to do than assisting Thompson in this banal action. Is there nothing bigger, no message to send from a world beyond but stupid acts like this. I was shocked intelligent people really see the thead as a group that has nothing better to do in the afterlife as supporting Thompson and his show. Imagine. You can get back to earth, materialize and all you are going to do is playing the drum or singing "wonderful world" day b day, month by month. if this would be the afterlife it would be far from a heaven and deceased people could not really be classified as higher beings.
So I doubt such guys like Thopson are really gifted. They may be great magicians and they may be great actors but this has nothing to do with supernatural inmy (anmd mayn others peoples eyes). Besides that I was told there are true materialisation mediums. But they refuse doing a spectacle in the public as well as taking money. They would never take any cent. They say this is a great gift and cannot be abused by making money with it. Sadly to say I never met one of those mediums. Some of them I was told have died, others are completely unknown and have good reasons to stay in the dark. But there are trustworthy sources outside in the web, griefing people who met their deceased family members, talked with them for hours, day by day, even saw them, felt them and received informations noone else could no. But those people do not appear in shows, not for money. They found a new idea of life and death, relief but they did not come to the idea making a profit out of their story.
Back to proving it. People like Dr.Klaus Volkamer in germany (you should d e f i n i t e l y mark this name) proved that there is something like an ether and a second fine structured body, which is invisible but can survive and exist independently from the normal body. This kind of materia is still unknown and even denied by science, but as said. Volkamer PROVED it exists. And he invited everyone to redo his experiments. This man has over 40 patents and is of high credibility. But do you think the big media or scientist papers take time to even mention him? He once said "when i confronted a former noble price winner with my results he said "if this would be true we would have found out long before" - Volkamer replied "you couldn`t as the machines I used are high tech and those computers were not available in earlier times. The noble price winner refused to continue the conversation. What ascientist!
I was fortunate finding Volkamers breathtaking results online, sad to say most is only in gernman. But to make a point. His results are f a c t s. Those people who do only believe what can be shown, smelled, felt, seen or measured should open up their eyes. That is exactly what can be done with VOLKAMERS results. Proven scientifically. And that is what we need if we want to reach the goal of finding out what goes on. We need more of that and we need it to presented it to the world. Most people just eat what they are fed with. Britney Spears wearing new panties. Bought. Doctor find prove for life after death. Yeah, interesting. But for sure, its easier for mass media to stay banal. So back to the panties. What a world.
Other people of high credibility who are really doing a good job in scientific prove are doctors who work in the NDE area. Pim Van Lommel is an outstanding doctor who did not have anything to win working in this area but ran the risk of losing his good reputation. His results deserve more than being mentioned. And there are many others. Youtube is a very good source for interested people. There is a lot of nonsense there, but you soon find out the pearls between the shells. And there are many.
Example of NDE experiences that cannot be explained by any means "if a patient without any brain function gets back after hours beeing able to say there is a shoe on the outher side of the builing on the 12th floor of the hospital. If a patient says he met his brother wondering why as he is still alive living on the other side of the world and is then informed this brother has died some hours ago. If a patinet was blin from birtth on and was able to describe things in his NDE, any explanation? Such "stories" cannot be simply overdone. And more than that. They cannot be explained by any brain dysfunction. Those are facts. And facts is what we need. Not Seance stories or Circle interna that is proudly presented by a group like that FELIX guys who seemingly just want to follow the SCOLE GROUP by any means, also in fame (and as said even if all they do is true it has no evidence as long as they do it in their small chamber without allowing investigation. E.G. they get apports again and again but do you think they would be fine with the idea of NOT TOUCHING the apport and checking for fingerprints to see if anyone of the group did prepare the apports. They are not.)
So let`s not waste too much time with seance room stories and people who say they can talk to the dead. This may be a convincing thing for the individual. But it wont give us results or general prove. I guess there are thousands of people from that simply enjoy making big money in the "grief industry", there may be others who still think they have a gift but they haven`t. And yes, there for sure are some who really have contacts. But if you have a barrell of rotten tomatoes it is a hard job finding out the few who are not bad (my english may be confusing sometimes).
People like Thompson were given more than a handful of chances being taken serious by proving what they are able to. But if all you earn is refusal of cooperation on a scientific way. Anyone may interpret this on his own.
I gave up entering seance rooms, I gave up doing phone contacts with mediums. I especially gave up hosting mediums other people told me to be brilliant and breathtaking as I was shocked how blind audience can be (Have a look on the book "Psychic Mafia" - the guy says some things may be true but what he saw and experienced was just fraud) I even refuse contacting anymore mediums that were officially tested and found grade A in testimonials by honorable people like Gary Schwarz and his team. I worship this guy and his work but the results I got from the tested mediums were trivial and any sceptic would have had all rights to say this was just the "fork in the dark" game they played. Maybe they are gifted, then they had a poor day when I was with them. No problem. I accept that.
Also people like Victor Zammit, sadly to say have lost the balance between the two sides. Zammit fell into the area of HARDCORE BELIEVERS now attacking anyone who is not taking all for granted. His cooperation with THOMPSON and some other people but especially his agressive way of beeing rude to peole who question his reports show he has turned to a priest-like person from the church of past centuries. Those who are not with our idea are against our idea. Worse to see. Even worse to see he has so much followers worldwide who simply take everything for granted he writes about (besidest he true facts meet the fraud stories there and appear side by side so its hard to differ) If someday any of the people he builds up all of his belief turn out to be frauds the whole building will crash. What a shame as the ground idea "life after death" is stable anyway. Maybe he got lost too much in his speakers corner days. People there also followed some vague idea, spoke for themselves and did not accept any other ideas or sceptiscism. But a park in London was not that dangerous as the web as widespread media is. My problem on him is, that his way of fighting for the right idea may have a controversal effect. He finally damages more than he reaches with his way of convincing people. (I have to say I read some reports of Zammit I have been personally and he did not host and those reports lacked the true sttaus what has happened there.)
Okay, I will end now. Sorry if I talked too much. As you see my friend this topic really has become my life. And I feel this is not a waste of time. I today have amazing contacts to scientists worldwide. Me, just a guy without diplomas or noble prices staying in contact with the great minds of our time. Wow. I should be thankful for the fact this topic is kept under the shelves, so such great people also chat with guys like me about it. And you know what. They support the idea of a life beyond. Most of them. Many of them had great experiences. Many of them search for answers, for prove. And those who did not find answers or evidence until now at least are open minded. That is what makes great people great. They are always open to the possible. Doors not locked inside the heart or brain or soul are easier to open and new things can enter. The times where all those ideas of life after death and consciousness that survives bodily death were said to be food for the death fearing and poor minded only have ended. What we have now is not a new edition of an esoteric flood but a real movement of intelligent people who want to find out the truth. Scientific results show there is so much more than we know and even if we are not able to grab it already follow a great lane that runs into the right direction I feel.
Life outside the earth. Planets that have earth like conditions. Life that came from other planets to the earth. Multidimensional models far from our oldschool 3D idea. There is so much more and its good to see there are people who care for that besides just the banal stuff. I think life was not made to concentrate on just making money, be on the winner list of materialistic thinking, supressing others. We have work to do here and it depends on our free will what we understand by saying "work to do". Life as a testimonial for a next dimension. Maybe.
Lets see what happens. I will now read again your great posting that sounds very interesting. As said such experiences may convince you in personal. Fine. But believe. In some days you will find have the first problems with that and question yourself if all has been true. I am used to that. Even quite straight readings that came to a point i recorded on tape were at least not really convincving by listening to them again and again. Even if you are a sceptic the danger to be fooled as you WANT TO HEAR SOME THINGS is enormous.
When I visited the Felixc Circle the first time things happening were quite interesting. Most were facinated. Not me. Be sure, I came to that even with a warm hearted wish to be cured of any scepticism. But it did not fulfil. The things which happened were interesting. You could not really debunk it all. But my inner told me that there was nothing on higher level going on there. It simply did not feel true. And you can trust your first intuition always. Most people do not use that great gift. Later it seemed to prove I was right with my feelings. (If I read the words from the circle guy who left the group)
As said I wished I would have been wrong. But on the other hand side I got aware of so many fascinating facts and people, results and science results geting to know the WEAK SIDE of that topic was needed to get in contact with the STRONG EVIDENCE. So also frsutration can have something positive. Do not give up if soemthing shakes you down. Do not believe if something great happens as sole event. Go on.
Have a great day and keep up balancing on the rope. Scepticism is needed in a field that is hosted by so many frauds. But as said it is NOTALLFRAUDS. :O)0 -
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I agree. I am wondering often if I am doing wrong spending so much time on this subject. We are for sure here to live our actual life. As my father often says "boy, be aware of the fact that there is also life before death" He sure is right with that. On the other hand side I am sure nothing happens accidentally. When I reached this side reading your post I felt the need to answer. Done. I feel one of my lifes subjects has to do with all this stuff. It did not only change my lifes view, it finally gave me a way to life, far from any religious rules or the idea of a senseless life that started by chance and ends someday and simply is over. I also could have lived with the fact its all just coincidence. But if I reached a small gap in life I can say I have learned it has definitely nothing to do with coincidence.
Yes. No need to enter those ideas and thoughts deeper. No way. I am sure your intuition will lead you. Enjoy your life. The rest will show. If you feel uncomfortable with the subject (as I do sometimes as well) just close the book. We are here just a short time and in my eyes you have already come to the point that there is more. Maybe there is no need to get this more precise. My inner voices tell me to stay aboard but I may not exclude this may change tomorrow and I get back to the normal life and will never ever concentrate on all of this. Free will. Free life.
In the end. We get all the answers. Everyone.
Have a great life my friend.0 -
http://felixcircle.blogspot.com/2008/09/ectoplasm-and-full-form.html
How can anyone actually believe this is anything other than a person just dressed in white cloth??
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Kai Muegge is not only real but as a gay physical medium, he is magnificent.
Ectoplasm rules!
mac
Hi, this topic will never get old therefore each posting is welcome in my eyes I accept your altitude concerning Kai. I have my reasons for some doubt anyway and those things are not second or third hand issues. But I agree some things that I by myself experienced in his auditions are remarkable.
Much more remarkable than the things I experienced at Thompsons touring trough out the world. Especially concerning ectoplasm Kai seemingly shows high interest in proving that the occurring things are real. And compared to David Thompson Kai wants to give evidence to the world and interested people.
Thompson gets very fast upset if it comes to sceptics. Sceptiscs are not NON BELIEVERS and as well not CLOSE MINDED SCEPTICS as Zammit often says, it’s just people who are very much into the thing, by experiences, magic circle informations, books and more and therefore know what is possible in trickery and fraud ... as said I strongly believe and tend to say I know there is an afterlife but anyway I am not interested in being fooled by anyone.
For sure there are some frauds out there and I always make my first hand impressions, visit the events and get to talk to the people, check backgrounds and last not least let my senses and intuition tell me what is going on. But for sure such experiences are always subjective and only worth a lot to yourself not valid if you pass the words to others. I am very interested in Kai Muegges development especially in his cooperation with experts trying to prove what happens there, I guess after some things I get to know from the Felix Circle from former times that’s a fair acting.
And for sure I see much more evidence in Kai producing ectoplasm under red light conditions and checked by experts instead of David Thompson making Louis Armstrong appearing in the dark day by day and singing "what a wonderful world". Let’s again point out: all I say is based on my personal experiences. And I did and do my best to validate what I see, feel, hear and get to know and only first hand information is okay for me in judging what is seemingly going on.
Maybe Kai has evolved very much and maybe the guy I got to know as leader of a small circle that was founded on the idea of making just a tv production has become one of the strongest mediums of the new century. All is possible in my eyes, besides, I am still sceptic...which is good for finding the truth. Warmest regards.0 -
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