Security Guards

MagicSean

Just out of curiosity, is there some exemption for security working big events {SNIP} from the new security licence rules?

Finnbar01

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, is there some exemption for security working big events {SNIP} from the new security licence rules?

I don't know but anytime we have these big events in Ireland, the laws of the country seem to get thrown out the window. Just look at what happened when the Queen and POTUS paid us a visit.

source

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I don't know but anytime we have these big events in Ireland, the laws of the country seem to get thrown out the window. Just look at what happened when the Queen and POTUS paid us a visit.

What are you on about now?????

OP no there should be fully licensed security at any event like this. Usually events like this are covered by a security company who will have their members in numbered uniforms, They should really be wearing their cards too.

twowheelsonly

AFAIK, And I stand to be corrected, Most of those that you see at events like this directing people etc will be classified as Stewards rather than Security and will not need a PSA Licence.
Those with a PSA will most likely be found at Entrances, Front of Stage and Response Teams etc.

MagicSean

Well they all seem to be from Northern Ireland and I saw moe than a few of them with paramilitary tattoos so I guess calling them stewards is one way of doing it. It seems a shame that we have this new system in place and massive domestic unemployment and yet a big event like this can hire staff from another country and bypass all the rules.

Finnbar01

foinse wrote: »

What are you on about now?????

OP no there should be fully licensed security at any event like this. Usually events like this are covered by a security company who will have their members in numbered uniforms, They should really be wearing their cards too.

Try and work it out for yourself.

Finnbar01

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Well they all seem to be from Northern Ireland and I saw moe than a few of them with paramilitary tattoos so I guess calling them stewards is one way of doing it. It seems a shame that we have this new system in place and massive domestic unemployment and yet a big event like this can hire staff from another country and bypass all the rules.

Maybe it was cheaper to higher in the 'NI' security staff? I see nothing wrong with this.

MagicSean

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Maybe it was cheaper to higher in the 'NI' security staff? I see nothing wrong with this.

It probably was. But the security here are vetted and licenced. That's like saying it's better to hire in a handyman to fix your gas fire because he's cheaper than someone who is licenced to work on gas mains.

Paulw

Even the NI guys are subject to the Irish laws and regulations.

The law certainly isn't set aside, unlike what some imply.

blueythebear

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

It probably was. But the security here are vetted and licenced. That's like saying it's better to hire in a handyman to fix your gas fire because he's cheaper than someone who is licenced to work on gas mains.

THere's a crowd from the North that have done all of the security at gigs in Ireland for years. I don;t think its entirely a case of cost, more familiarity. As for staff at these gigs, I know a guy who works occasionally for them and alot of the guys involved wouldn't have any form of security training.

MagicSean

Paulw wrote: »

Even the NI guys are subject to the Irish laws and regulations.

The law certainly isn't set aside, unlike what some imply.

I didn't see any security badges.

FreudianSlippers

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MagicSean

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Closed and re-opened with modifications. Please refrain from making defamatory or even potentially defamatory comments about groups or events and/or organisations which could reasonably be construed to be referring to certain groups.

Will do.

Marcusm

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

I didn't see any security badges.

That would presumably be something to bring up with the organisers or the regulatory (self?) body for the security industry. It sounds like you know what you are talking about with respect to whether someone is carrying out a security as opposed to stewarding role in which case it might be worthwhile putting down a marker. It's not right for anyone to think that they can circumvent consumer protection laws simply by shipping in a contractor - the organiser/promoter should still have responsibility to ensure that his site complies with the law.

source

Op if you saw security personnel who you believe were unlicensed then contact the PSA here. You can report companies providing unlicensed security services.

MagicSean

foinse wrote: »

Op if you saw security personnel who you believe were unlicensed then contact the PSA here. You can report companies providing unlicensed security services.

Thanks. I'm aware of the PSA. I'm more curious as to wether there are exemptions for staff hired from another country. If they are vetted and licenced in NI does that entitle them to work here? And if so then does this exempt them from wearing badges as they wouldn't have them.

Alternatively, would calling them "stewards" exempt them from the legislation.

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Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Thanks. I'm aware of the PSA. I'm more curious as to wether there are exemptions for staff hired from another country. If they are vetted and licenced in NI does that entitle them to work here? And if so then does this exempt them from wearing badges as they wouldn't have them.

Alternatively, would calling them "stewards" exempt them from the legislation.

Stewards aren't security. They take tickets, point out locations such as camp sites, toilets, showers etc.

AFAIK Any person working security in Ireland needs to be cleared by PSA. Again the best people to answer this question is the PSA.

Our man in Havana

There is a loophole. If they have applied for their licence they can work pending a decision on their applications.

ryaner2k14

How ya lads. stumbled accross this post. i my self am a security manager and i no from direct face to face conversation with <Mod edit: do not post personal details here, please.> a PSA inspector that at the moment there isn't anything in legislation that says security for events must me licensed for the duration of the event as in the operational ours of the concert or or festival but over night and minding of stages must be carried out by a Security Guard Holding a Static Licence.