TV copyright/piracy crackdown!

Richard Dower

Whatcha think lads?....it's sorta relevent, considering the moves ISP's and other organisations have hardened their stance in Ireland.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/content-producers-vow-to-confront-web-users-who-steal-copyrighted-works/

People who illegally download copyrighted movies, TV shows, and music will soon receive a series emailed warnings -- and may temporarily see Internet speeds reduced or have their Web surfing blocked -- a coalition of content producers and distributors announced this morning. The measures come from a new organization called the Center for Copyright Information that's backed by trade groups including the MPAA, RIAA, and IFTA, as well as major broadband providers such as Comcast and Verizon. The coalition says it wants to develop a set of common best practices to treat illegal downloads much the same way financial institutions deal with credit card fraud. The participants say that they are working within existing laws and won't terminate Internet subscriber accounts or provide user names to copyright holders. They just want to be sure that people know when they're violating someone's copyright. "Data suggest that, once informed about the alleged content theft and its possible consequences, most Internet subscribers will quickly take steps to ensure that the theft doesn't happen again," the group says in a release. The Center says that content theft accounts for $16 billion in lost earnings each year as well as $3 billion in lost federal state and local tax revenue.

Cerocco

I know that this is a stupid question but i'm not very tekkie minded. Does that mean i'm in trouble if i watch american tv progs that are streamed on internet websites if they have already been shown in the states but not here??

Richard Dower

Cerocco wrote: »

I know that this is a stupid question but i'm not very tekkie minded. Does that mean i'm in trouble if i watch american tv progs that are streamed on internet websites if they have already been shown in the states but not here??

No...unless IRMA or whatever copyright agency hooks up with this American movement, but even if you read it says people will just get warning emails.

sink

Also at the moment they can only go after people who use peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing such as bit-torrent. If you use a direct download or direct stream from a web host, they cannot track you. If you're not sure what the difference is a good indicator is that P2P sharing uploads as well as downloads where as direct downloading/streaming only downloads without uploading.

Richard Dower

I'm shocked Rapidshare etc. have not been shut down, but....in the last year the rewards system for Rapidshare has been axed + they altered their T&C's multiple times + price hikes....just one in June.

BS system from Rapidshare, but it has nixed uploaders who only do it for profit...Hotfile did the same, Megaupload as well.....but new download sites keep popping up, wupload; filserve etc.

So these sites have actually listened and taken alot of steps to curb illegal files.

DoesNotCompute

sink wrote: »

If you use a direct download or direct stream from a web host, they cannot track you.

Really? Can't they get your IP address from when you connect to the web host?

Dman001

I'm sure they are focusing on the bigger markets first, i.e. the US. I don't think little Ireland has anything to worry about just yet. How do they plan on getting hold of your email address? I know many don't bother signing up to email accounts offered by their ISPs?

Funny this coming out today, when the Irish Independent release this rather questionable article:
http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/surviving-the-recession/smart-consumer-how-to-ditch-your-telly-and-log-on-to-your-fave-shows-for-free-2814905.html

Minstrel27

How will they email me without an email address?

don ramo

the only time ive heard of people being "talked" to was when they were distributing copyrighted material, im sure distribution is where the serious stuff would come in,

why is it such a big deal to get say game of thrones on a monday morning, so you can watch it 10 hours before it airs on sky atlantic:D, i could just sky+ it, but the hard drive in my sky+ box isnt big enough to hold all that i watch, i honestly dont see the difference in using P2P software and Sky+ other than the amount of space a computer has compared to a sky+ box, sure back in the day i had the whole of father ted recorded on a VHS tape,

this stuff has been going on for decades, sure what exactly do western digital think people are doin with 2TB hard drives, thats a lot of power points presentations.:D

S.M.B.

Erm, advertising obviously.

Doylers

I ehhhhhhhhhh accidently downloaded a movie and I got a call saying I was to stop downloading it .Other people go the same warnings for downloading the movie. Some crowd monitor torrents or something. Now how the fcuk do they get ur home number?

Dman001

Doylers wrote: »

I ehhhhhhhhhh accidently downloaded a movie and I got a call saying I was to stop downloading it .Other people go the same warnings for downloading the movie. Some crowd monitor torrents or something. Now how the fcuk do they get ur home number?

Are you with Eircom by any chance? They were brought in the three strike rule about a year or two ago if I remember correctly, but thought it was only for music.

Doylers

Dman001 wrote: »

Are you with Eircom by any chance? They were brought in the three strike rule about a year or two ago if I remember correctly, but thought it was only for music.

Nope im with vodafone.

sink

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Really? Can't they get your IP address from when you connect to the web host?

They can use a man-in-the-middle attack (MITM), but that is hacking and therefore illegal in most jurisdictions. Unless targeted at specific individuals, it would require some pretty invasive monitoring of trillions of terabytes of data to determine illegal file sharing from legitimate internet usage, which would be heavily resource intensive (think in terms of Googles entire processing capability and multiply it by several factors). After all that it's unlikely to hold up in court so not even worth the effort.

Suffice to say that no they can't.

Goldstein

You're in a very gray area calling it piracy where tv is concerned, let alone theft (Which is just emotive sensationalism aswell as being inaccurate). Especially when you have the likes of Sky+, recordable set-top hard drives etc whose only purpose is to legally record tv & movies (That very hardware manufactured by Sony among others). And you can skip or fast-forward the ads with them too just to pre-empt that point cropping up.

So on the one hand:
"buy our hard drive recorders to make digital copies of tv shows"

but on the other hand:
"don't make digital copies on hard drives of tv shows, it's "theft""

Ok guys :rolleyes:

Dman001

Goldstein wrote: »

You're in a very gray area calling it piracy where tv is concerned, let alone theft (Which is just emotive sensationalism aswell as being inaccurate). Especially when you have the likes of Sky+, recordable set-top hard drives etc whose only purpose is to legally record tv & movies (That very hardware manufactured by Sony among others). And you can skip or fast-forward the ads with them too just to pre-empt that point cropping up.

So on the one hand:
"buy our hard drive recorders to make digital copies of tv shows"

but on the other hand:
"don't make digital copies on hard drives of tv shows, it's "theft""

Ok guys :rolleyes:

Piracy none the less though. Although many morally justify downloading TV Shows, by telling themselves that'll end up recording it on Sky and skipping the ads anyway

Conor108

don ramo wrote: »

the only time ive heard of people being "talked" to was when they were distributing copyrighted material, im sure distribution is where the serious stuff would come in,

Yeah but if anyone is using P2P software then they're uploading as well as downloading so technically, they are distributing.

Goldstein

Dman001 wrote: »

Piracy none the less though. Although many morally justify downloading TV Shows, by telling themselves that'll end up recording it on Sky and skipping the ads anyway

True, as is pretty much all use of a photocopier, especially in schools / colleges / libraries. As is lending a book or DVD. As is public performance of cover songs in bars et cetera, et cetera.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate here but I don't think the moral high-ground is quite as black and white as they'd have people believe.

expectationlost

hbo put up fakes to snare ppl in the us

MaceFace

Doylers wrote: »

Nope im with vodafone.

Not that I am questioning your honesty here..... but you did say you accidently downloaded a movie

Can you give some more details on how that conversation went. Was there laughter in the background that sounded like your mates?

Rabidlamb

Doylers wrote: »

I ehhhhhhhhhh accidently downloaded a movie and I got a call saying I was to stop downloading it .Other people go the same warnings for downloading the movie. Some crowd monitor torrents or something. Now how the fcuk do they get ur home number?

Doylers, stop talking bullcrap, that never happened unless it was the voices in your head.
So your saying that in real time a corporation in the US noticed you were attached to a swarm that was downloading a copy protected file.
They then contacted your ISP who then verified the wrongdoing & rang you straight away demanding you cease & desist.
Are you sure that wasn't the new trailer for Mission Impossible ?.
Quality wind up btw.

Richard Dower

MaceFace wrote: »

Not that I am questioning your honesty here..... but you did say you accidently downloaded a movie

Can you give some more details on how that conversation went. Was there laughter in the background that sounded like your mates?

It's like accidently watching a Jenna Haze movie...happens

_blank_

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Doylers, stop talking bullcrap, that never happened unless it was the voices in your head.
So your saying that in real time a corporation in the US noticed you were attached to a swarm that was downloading a copy protected file.
They then contacted your ISP who then verified the wrongdoing & rang you straight away demanding you cease & desist.
Are you sure that wasn't the new trailer for Mission Impossible ?.
Quality wind up btw.

It can be done.

I've worked in the Network Abuse Department of two Irish ISPs, one was the biggest ISP in the country, the other was smaller and has since been bought over.

I used to regularly recieve emails from the likes of Universal and Warner that went something like this

"The person using IP Address xx.xx.xx.xx downloaded Film XXXX or Music XXXX at such a time on such a date, please ask them to stop, or we will sue you, the ISP"

The standard reply they'd get (from both ISPs) would invite them to send a court order for the info.

However, in the second place, we'd contact people for other reasons. If the ISP uses it's own network, and not the eircom one, and there is a lot of traffic, UL or DL originating from one customer, my job was to contact that customer and say "We can see a lot of activity on your connection, please stop hogging the network or we'll cut you off, as per the T&C" - we'd never directly accuse the customers of illegally downloading film/music/TV, but we'd hint at it - "Have you downloaded any large files recently?..." etc.

Dman001

From what I've heard, the Studios don't seem to like people downloading newly released films in the cinema, compared to DVD releases. Was it a cinema release you downloaded Doyler?

don ramo

i have a hardline but only for internet, there is no phone in my house and my ISP doesnt have my mobile :D:D
so how exactly do they get in contact with me:D

AlmightyCushion

don ramo wrote: »

i have a hardline but only for internet, there is no phone in my house and my ISP doesnt have my mobile :D:D
so how exactly do they get in contact with me:D

Post you out a letter.

don ramo

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Post you out a letter.

what if i dont get it;)

haha, i do wonder how many people do that, and how long it takes companies to click on,

Hal Emmerich

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Doylers, stop talking bullcrap, that never happened unless it was the voices in your head.
So your saying that in real time a corporation in the US noticed you were attached to a swarm that was downloading a copy protected file.
They then contacted your ISP who then verified the wrongdoing & rang you straight away demanding you cease & desist.
Are you sure that wasn't the new trailer for Mission Impossible ?.
Quality wind up btw.

Altogether possible if on dial-up, they'd have 6 months to spot you.:p

Doylers

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Doylers, stop talking bullcrap, that never happened unless it was the voices in your head.
So your saying that in real time a corporation in the US noticed you were attached to a swarm that was downloading a copy protected file.
They then contacted your ISP who then verified the wrongdoing & rang you straight away demanding you cease & desist.
Are you sure that wasn't the new trailer for Mission Impossible ?.
Quality wind up btw.

My ISP were never involved. Did I mention them? Your getting wayyyyyy to worked up over a comment, dont belive me if you dont want too. Those voices in my head are scary :mad:

Mod Edit: Torrent Link Removed.

Read the comments for that torrent above.

http://www.baytsp.com/

Mr E

From the charter:

Don't ask where you can download/stream TV shows or give any links to them.

Please don't post torrent links on this forum.

JONJO THE MISER

Doesn't affect me, i get all my tv shows and latest movies from my 3rd cousin who lives in Lancaster Ohio;)

Hal Emmerich

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Doesn't affect me, i get all my tv shows and latest movies from my 3rd cousin who lives in Lancaster Ohio;)

calex71

This thread has more speculation, half truths and hot air than the evening news on Fox