Question about pay

PIKOMAN

Hi,
I have found a teaching job!! but cannot for the life of me figure out what the starting salary is for a new teacher in sept 2011.

This is the most recent info I can find.
http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#Common

so looks like I will start at

grade 1 €30,904
H. Dip in Ed. (1st or 2nd Hons) €1,236
(g) Doctors Degree €6,140

which means my pay could be €38280

Now..... there is all sorts of talk about reducing the rates further and changes to increments and other allowances.

Does anyone know what I can expect to earn starting in 2011??

Thanks!

Nervous teacher.......

rainbowtrout

PIKOMAN wrote: »

Hi,
I have found a teaching job!! but cannot for the life of me figure out what the starting salary is for a new teacher in sept 2011.

This is the most recent info I can find.
http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#Common

so looks like I will start at

grade 1 €30,904
H. Dip in Ed. (1st or 2nd Hons) €1,236
(g) Doctors Degree €6,140

which means my pay could be €38280

Now..... there is all sorts of talk about reducing the rates further and changes to increments and other allowances.

Does anyone know what I can expect to earn starting in 2011??

Thanks!

Nervous teacher.......

The salary scales for new entrants to teaching from 2011 onwards were only published today. The reductions were made in the December budget.

if you have not worked in teaching prior to this (I'm assuming you haven't), you will start on point 1 of the scale, plus the PGDE allowance + your Doctorate allowance.

http://www.education.ie/admin/servlet/blobservlet/cl0040_2011.pdf

Point 1 on Scale : 27814
PGDE Allowance (1st or 2nd Hons): 1112
Doctorate Allowance:5526

Total: 34452

That is assuming you got a contract for the full 22 hours. If not it is paid pro-rata, i.e. a contract for 14 hours will be 34452 x 14/22 = 21924

J.R.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

The salary scales for new entrants to teaching from 2011 onwards were only published today. The reductions were made in the December budget.

if you have not worked in teaching prior to this (I'm assuming you haven't), you will start on point 1 of the scale, plus the PGDE allowance + your Doctorate allowance.

http://www.education.ie/admin/servlet/blobservlet/cl0040_2011.pdf

Point 1 on Scale : 27814
PGDE Allowance (1st or 2nd Hons): 1112
Doctorate Allowance:5526

Total: 34452



That is assuming you got a contract for the full 22 hours. If not it is paid pro-rata, i.e. a contract for 14 hours will be 34452 x 14/22 = 21924

If you are offered, and agree to supervision duties for the year it is paid in one payment in July - €1,749

UnLuckyAgain

J.R. wrote: »

If you are offered, and agree to supervision duties for the year it is paid in one payment in July - €1,749

By 'supervision duties' do you mean lunchtime supervision, yard duty, corridors etc? Or is it the infamous S&S scheme i've heard so much about?

rainbowtrout

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

By 'supervision duties' do you mean lunchtime supervision, yard duty, corridors etc? Or is it the infamous S&S scheme i've heard so much about?

Lunchtimes, yard duty etc is part of the S&S scheme, so yes it does include them as well as covering classes. If you sign up to the scheme you are required to do a minimum of 37 hours of supervision a year. If you are permanent the upper limit is 49 hours, if you are part time there is no upper limit.

The lump sum is for 37 hours. If you do above this you will get paid accordingly.

PIKOMAN

So, does the new rates mean that a teacher starting this year will be paid 10% less than a teacher who started last year for the remainder of their career? and 20% less than a teacher that started 2 years ago?

UnLuckyAgain

PIKOMAN wrote: »

So, does the new rates mean that a teacher starting this year will be paid 10% less than a teacher who started last year for the remainder of their career? and 20% less than a teacher that started 2 years ago?

The government first said it is a 10% reduction, but taking into account the drop to the first point of the salary scale among other things, it is actually closer to a 15% reduction in pay.

rainbowtrout

PIKOMAN wrote: »

So, does the new rates mean that a teacher starting this year will be paid 10% less than a teacher who started last year for the remainder of their career? and 20% less than a teacher that started 2 years ago?

Yes and no. There was two cuts at the same time. If you started in teaching last year you would have started on the old pay scale which has now been cut by 10%, but you would have also started on Point 3 of that scale (up to last year teachers were given 2 points on the scale for four years of third level). Point 3 on the scale was approximately 33k last year. Point 3 of the scale now is about 30k, but you are further down the scale again at Point 1 which as a result of the cut is 27k.

The PGDE and Degree allowances were also cut by 10%. So if you want to put a final figure on it, someone with your qualifications would have got

Point 3: 33041
Doctorate: 6140
PGDE Honours: 1236

Total: 40417

As I mentioned in an earlier post on full hours this year you will get 34452

So that's a drop of 5965, or just under 15%. It's not pretty reading.

Delphi91

J.R. wrote: »

If you are offered, and agree to supervision duties for the year it is paid in one payment in July - €1,749

In the VEC that I work for, the payment is split, half in January and the rest in June/July.

Delphi91

rainbowtrout wrote: »

...if you are part time there is no upper limit.

Are you sure about this??

I have a funny feeling that there is a limit of 735 hours for any one individual.

I remember returning figures one year to our VEC HQ and being told that in the case of part time teachers, they should not have done more S&S than the difference between 735 and any part time hours that they taught in the school.

loveroflight

Well done on getting the job!!!

rainbowtrout

Delphi91 wrote: »

In the VEC that I work for, the payment is split, half in January and the rest in June/July.

My VEC does this too, February and July.

Delphi91 wrote: »

Are you sure about this??

I have a funny feeling that there is a limit of 735 hours for any one individual.

I remember returning figures one year to our VEC HQ and being told that in the case of part time teachers, they should not have done more S&S than the difference between 735 and any part time hours that they taught in the school.

Well there never has been a limit on the number of hours anyone did in my school if they were not permanent. I remember one teacher a couple of years ago did half of all the supervision hours in the school that year!:eek:

People in my school have submitted a ridiculous number of hours for supervision. I've dropped out of it myself.

Maybe you are right and there is an upper limit. 735 is still a generous limit. It still works out at 21-22 hours a week which is the same as a full time position, so I don't think any teacher employed by a school would be in the position to do those kind of hours in the S&S scheme.

Delphi91

rainbowtrout wrote: »

...Maybe you are right and there is an upper limit. 735 is still a generous limit. It still works out at 21-22 hours a week which is the same as a full time position, so I don't think any teacher employed by a school would be in the position to do those kind of hours in the S&S scheme.

735 is based on the number of hours a full-time teachers does in a year, i.e. 22 hours a week for 33.4 weeks (167 days)

I think the point is that a part-time person doing supervision/substitution should not be doing more hours than a full-time teacher i.e. 735 in total for the year. A part-time teacher with no contracted teaching hours would certainly be in a position to do this level of S&S.

Fickidy

Delphi91 wrote: »

In the VEC that I work for, the payment is split, half in January and the rest in June/July.

This is true. I work in an ordinary secondary school and this is when I get paid (except it's March - not January).

That amount that somebody quoted earlier is also nowhere near what you come out with for this work. You get about €250 in March and another €200-300 in July. Very little. People in my school are dropping out of S&S cause the money is so bad. It's a disaster.

Also, I am teaching 10 years (with a 2 year career break) and I earn €41,994 + €1236 + €4918. After all the deductions (pension, usc etc and Cornmarket car insurance) I come out with €1150 every two weeks. It is an absolute joke and a disgrace.

rainbowtrout

Fickidy wrote: »

This is true. I work in an ordinary secondary school and this is when I get paid (except it's March - not January).

That amount that somebody quoted earlier is also nowhere near what you come out with for this work. You get about €250 in March and another €200-300 in July. Very little. People in my school are dropping out of S&S cause the money is so bad. It's a disaster.

Also, I am teaching 10 years (with a 2 year career break) and I earn €41,994 + €1236 + €4918. After all the deductions (pension, usc etc and Cornmarket car insurance) I come out with €1150 every two weeks. It is an absolute joke and a disgrace.

You know, I think you could probably make your point a little better. This is exactly the kind of post that gets the rabble rousers going in AH.

I used to do S&S but I gave it up after last summer because it wasn't worth the hassle, but I certainly came out with more than €300 in July and I was only doing the minimum 37 hours.

Cornmarket car insurance is your own business, it's not an obligatory deduction. My payslip would also look a lot healthier if I didn't have deductions for union subscription, health insurance and avc coming out of it.

Some people wouldn't see anything wrong with a salary of 48K a year.

Fickidy

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Fickidy wrote: »

This is true. I work in an ordinary secondary school and this is when I get paid (except it's March - not January).

That amount that somebody quoted earlier is also nowhere near what you come out with for this work. You get about €250 in March and another €200-300 in July. Very little. People in my school are dropping out of S&S cause the money is so bad. It's a disaster.

Also, I am teaching 10 years (with a 2 year career break) and I earn €41,994 + €1236 + €4918. After all the deductions (pension, usc etc and Cornmarket car insurance) I come out with €1150 every two weeks. It is an absolute joke and a disgrace.

You know, I think you could probably make your point a little better. This is exactly the kind of post that gets the rabble rousers going in AH.

I used to do S&S but I gave it up after last summer because it wasn't worth the hassle, but I certainly came out with more than €300 in July and I was only doing the minimum 37 hours.

Cornmarket car insurance is your own business, it's not an obligatory deduction. My payslip would also look a lot healthier if I didn't have deductions for union subscription, health insurance and avc coming out of it.

Some people wouldn't see anything wrong with a salary of 48K a year.

Of course 48,000 is a decent salary, but I have an Hons Degree and an Hons H.Dip. People with a lot fewer qualifications than me are earning much more in other sectors, even in today's climate. You, yourself, posted earlier that a graduate's salary has dropped considerably and yet, even tough I am teaching 10 years more than them, I am not earning a huge amount more after tax, nor will I ever in this job. I'd love to know how long you've been teaching that you think 48k is a great amount of money. Don't tell me to make my point better when you have so clearly contradicted yourself on this thread.

Yes, my car insurance is paid directly from my salary, but it is not much. All of my other deductions are related to my job as I pay into the credit union separately and my health insurance etc is separate. So, after a huge amount of my salary going on pension deductions, the USC, union subscription etc, I am left with very little with which I have to pay mortgage, bills, childcare, food costs etc. I don't believe that my salary represents my qualifications and experience.

I also don't understand your point re S&S... If the money is good, why did you opt out? Oh, I know, because you're earning a mint and don't need it!

caroline72

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Some people wouldn't see anything wrong with a salary of 48K a year.

who would say that?someone who doesn't have ten years experience and the qualifications that this person has?

implausible

Fickidy wrote: »

I'd love to know how long you've been teaching that you think 48k is a great amount of money. Don't tell me to make my point better when you have so clearly contradicted yourself on this thread.

caroline72 wrote: »

who would say that?someone who doesn't have ten years experience and the qualifications that this person has?

If you read back over this forum, you'll find that Rainbowtrout is teaching around ten years too. The point she is trying to make is that to the outsider and/or people who post in After Hours ranting about teachers' pay €48k is a very decent salary.

I rarely disclose my earnings to anyone because of the inevitable "four months off, finished at four, sure ye do nothing anyway" response. Public discussion boards are no different.

rainbowtrout

Fickidy wrote: »

Of course 48,000 is a decent salary, but I have an Hons Degree and an Hons H.Dip. People with a lot fewer qualifications than me are earning much more in other sectors, even in today's climate. You, yourself, posted earlier that a graduate's salary has dropped considerably and yet, even tough I am teaching 10 years more than them, I am not earning a huge amount more after tax, nor will I ever in this job. I'd love to know how long you've been teaching that you think 48k is a great amount of money. Don't tell me to make my point better when you have so clearly contradicted yourself on this thread.

Yes, my car insurance is paid directly from my salary, but it is not much. All of my other deductions are related to my job as I pay into the credit union separately and my health insurance etc is separate. So, after a huge amount of my salary going on pension deductions, the USC, union subscription etc, I am left with very little with which I have to pay mortgage, bills, childcare, food costs etc. I don't believe that my salary represents my qualifications and experience.

I also don't understand your point re S&S... If the money is good, why did you opt out? Oh, I know, because you're earning a mint and don't need it!

What has me posting about the drop in new entrants salaries got to do with your salary? I haven't contradicted you at all. I pointed out the difference between someone starting on point 3 of the scale in 2010 and point 1 of the scale in 2011. I said it wasn't pretty reading simply because of the discrepancy in pay between this years entrants and last years entrants. Your response is similar to the After Hours mantra of 'well if they've got it so good, why don't you go and do that job instead?' when you are talking about people with less qualifications earning more money.

I didn't say the money was good for S&S, I was stating that you are over exaggerating only getting 250-300 in July, if you got only 250 in the first installment.


I think someone mentioned the figure of 1749 as the rate for S&S for the year which is 37 hours. If you were only getting 550 after tax you would be paying 69% of it in taxes and levies. That's just not happening. So what I am suggesting is if you are going to say the money is crap at least be realistic about what it actually is.

I too have been teaching for 10 years and get along quite fine on what I earn. It's also more than 48K, because as you pointed out, you have 8 years teaching done and 2 years career break. You are considering those years as teaching years here but you didn't get an increment on the scale for them, so maybe adjust your argument a little. €41994 is point 9 of the scale, if you had been actively teaching for 10 years you would get 46844 (point 12) as basic plus your allowances which would give you 52998.


The point I was making before and am making again is if you are going to post about teaching and wages at least let it be true.

caroline72 wrote: »

who would say that?someone who doesn't have ten years experience and the qualifications that this person has?

I would, I have 10 years experience and those same qualifications.

rainbowtrout

deemark wrote: »

If you read back over this forum, you'll find that Rainbowtrout is teaching around ten years too. The point she is trying to make is that to the outsider and/or people who post in After Hours ranting about teachers' pay €48k is a very decent salary.

I rarely disclose my earnings to anyone because of the inevitable "four months off, finished at four, sure ye do nothing anyway" response. Public discussion boards are no different.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up.

Fickidy, try going into a teacher bashing thread in After Hours and justify a starting wage of 34k to someone on the dole or a graduate earning far less than that.

Dole at €188 a week is €9776 per year. A teacher starting off on 6 hours a week will earn that much. It's not an awful lot and there are plenty of teachers doing those hours and supplementing them with other work, but you try telling a non teacher that for 6 hours work you will get about €200 and that's all the teaching work you could find and see how much sympathy they will have for you.

You may not feel remunerated sufficiently for your work and qualifications but in comparison to many graduate positions in this country, it is still a damn good wage.

caroline72

to be fair,fickidy did say it was a decent salary. F is just expressing their disappointment as they feel they deserve more, while you can find it sufficient, perhaps they are in a different situation. As this is the teaching and lecturing forum, and not AH, is F not entitled to express this?

gaeilgebeo

It is not a bit of wonder teachers get such a bashing.

rainbowtrout

caroline72 wrote: »

to be fair,fickidy did say it was a decent salary. F is just expressing their disappointment as they feel they deserve more, while you can find it sufficient, perhaps they are in a different situation. As this is the teaching and lecturing forum, and not AH, is F not entitled to express this?

I'm not saying that, but you cut your cloth to suit your measure. If you have a certain type of lifestyle and your salary doesn't support it, you change your lifestyle or get a new job.

The point I was making about AH is that I read plenty of posts bashing the public service/teachers on it regularly, mainly ill informed. I then cringe when a person posts as a PS worker and what they post is completely untrue. It just exacerbates the poor opinion people have of PS workers.

So to see the same stuff posted in the teaching forum really annoys me. Fickidy is basically saying that she earns about €550 out of the 1769 for S&S. I can't see how this is possible, even with high taxes, USC and pension levy.
She also claimed to be teaching 10 years and her wage didn't reflect her qualifications or experience, yet the wage she posts is point 9 of the scale, which is 7 years experience. If she didn't have her union sub and car insurance deducted at source her net fortnightly salary would be higher and seeing a higher figure on paper might justify it better, but her outgoings would still be the same.

If people are just going to exaggerate their situation no one is going to believe anything they say.

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Art Teacher

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Yes and no. There was two cuts at the same time. If you started in teaching last year you would have started on the old pay scale which has now been cut by 10%, but you would have also started on Point 3 of that scale (up to last year teachers were given 2 points on the scale for four years of third level). Point 3 on the scale was approximately 33k last year. Point 3 of the scale now is about 30k, but you are further down the scale again at Point 1 which as a result of the cut is 27k.

The PGDE and Degree allowances were also cut by 10%. So if you want to put a final figure on it, someone with your qualifications would have got

Point 3: 33041
Doctorate: 6140
PGDE Honours: 1236

Total: 40417

As I mentioned in an earlier post on full hours this year you will get 34452

So that's a drop of 5965, or just under 15%. It's not pretty reading.

This is a huge drop in pay for new entrants. Its not fair that they have to work 'cheek by jowl' with teachers who are on a higher scale.
Its also really shocking that qualified teachers start on scale one. It is imperative that they start on a higher point on the teaching scale than unqualified people who are so very lucky to get work teaching (of which there are lots of that I know).

rainbowtrout

Art Teacher wrote: »

This is a huge drop in pay for new entrants. Its not fair that they have to work 'cheek by jowl' with teachers who are on a higher scale.
Its also really shocking that qualified teachers start on scale one. It is imperative that they start on a higher point on the teaching scale than unqualified people who are so very lucky to get work teaching (of which there are lots of that I know).

I'd imagine if this Teaching Council Act finally comes into force this year that this will do away with unqualified teachers getting contract jobs, and they shouldn't be on that payscale at all. Not that that makes it ok for new entrants to be on Point 1 with 10% reduction.

glitz2011

just wondering what 'new entrants to teaching' means? I taught prior to qualification this year, teaching in one school from january to may and in another school from september to may, both on maternity leave contracts. however because I just qualified this year, am I a new entrant?thanks

Art Teacher

I think you are a new entrant so you will have to start on the first point of the scale. As far as i know the teaching that you did does not count for incremental credit as it was substitute work.

glitz2011

Actually just checked the circular http://www.education.ie/admin/servle...l0040_2011.pdf so I think I'm ok-phew (Page 8)

jonseyblub

Got pay-slip today and did get an extra 600 ish for the S&S added to the 250 ish I got after christmas and that was for the minimum.
Does anyone else think that instead of doing the extra hours next year which isn't saving the government a cent, it should have been suggested that we all do S&S for nothing which would actually save the government some money?

gaeilgebeo

jonseyblub wrote: »

Got pay-slip today and did get an extra 600 ish for the S&S added to the 250 ish I got after christmas and that was for the minimum.
Does anyone else think that instead of doing the extra hours next year which isn't saving the government a cent, it should have been suggested that we all do S&S for nothing which would actually save the government some money?

No. It is not our job to babysit students at lunchtime.
We have been cut enough in our salaries without doing this for free.

As for the hours, I have a feeling that they are going to fall through when Croke Park Agreement is scrapped in the next budget and we get another paycut.

jonseyblub

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

No. It is not our job to babysit students at lunchtime.
We have been cut enough in our salaries without doing this for free.

As for the hours, I have a feeling that they are going to fall through when Croke Park Agreement is scrapped in the next budget and we get another paycut.

Forget about the fact that its not our job to babysit and think of the other facts. We are going to be doing the extra hours next year and those extra hours are actually going to cost lots more more than the €650 (actually rechecked todays slip and i only got extra 400ish as to the 600 i said earlier) odd i got this year in extra babysitting costs as well as the general hassle of staying back. As well as that the whole premise of the croke park deal was to save the exchequer money. These extra hours do nothing to save money but will in fact cost money in terms of light/ heat etc.

gaeilgebeo

jonseyblub wrote: »

Forget about the fact that its not our job to babysit and think of the other facts. We are going to be doing the extra hours next year and those extra hours are actually going to cost lots more more than the €650 (actually rechecked todays slip and i only got extra 400ish as to the 600 i said earlier) odd i got this year in extra babysitting costs as well as the general hassle of staying back. As well as that the whole premise of the croke park deal was to save the exchequer money. These extra hours do nothing to save money but will in fact cost money in terms of light/ heat etc.

And what of the CPA falls through in the next budget(likely to happen)?
We are then stuck doing SnS for free.

jonseyblub

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

And what of the CPA falls through in the next budget(likely to happen)?
We are then stuck doing SnS for free.

What I'm saying is that doing the SnS for free is an alternative to doing the extra hours for the Croke park agreement. So if the Croke Park agreement fails then the free SnS also stops.

gaeilgebeo

jonseyblub wrote: »

What I'm saying is that doing the SnS for free is an alternative to doing the extra hours for the Croke park agreement. So if the Croke Park agreement fails then the free SnS also stops.

We'll see what happens but I don't have much faith in the longevity of the CPA.
I can see major cuts ahead.

Art Teacher

emiticonJonseyblub,you need to take your issues up with the government and not the teachers.

jonseyblub

Art Teacher wrote: »

emiticonJonseyblub,you need to take your issues up with the government and not the teachers.

What issues are you on about?

Art Teacher

jonseyblub wrote: »

What issues are you on about?

I'm looking at the OP's issue. Whats your contribution here?


Hi,
I have found a teaching job!! but cannot for the life of me figure out what the starting salary is for a new teacher in sept 2011.

This is the most recent info I can find.
http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#Common

so looks like I will start at

grade 1 €30,904
H. Dip in Ed. (1st or 2nd Hons) €1,236
(g) Doctors Degree €6,140

which means my pay could be €38280

Now..... there is all sorts of talk about reducing the rates further and changes to increments and other allowances.

Does anyone know what I can expect to earn starting in 2011??

Thanks!

Nervous teacher.......

jonseyblub

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I didn't say the money was good for S&S, I was stating that you are over exaggerating only getting 250-300 in July, if you got only 250 in the first installment.


I think someone mentioned the figure of 1749 as the rate for S&S for the year which is 37 hours. If you were only getting 550 after tax you would be paying 69% of it in taxes and levies. That's just not happening.

.

I was replying to this post on the topic. But then again in order to make an informed reply I read all the posts instead of the last 2 or 3 . You really should try it some time.

Art Teacher

So the real point here is how much is the teacher going to earn realistically. Inform?

jonseyblub

No the original issue branched into another one which tends to happen in discussions. I can't give an opinion on the original one because I didnt know the full facts but could give an opinion on the pay for SnS which also came up in the discussion.

Art teacher this is a discussions board. If you don't like the way a discussion is going say so but there really is no need for snide and immature remarks. And certainly there is no need to continue with these remarks on another discussion I'm involved with namely the Ty Maths one.

Art Teacher

jonseyblub wrote: »

Forget about the fact that its not our job to babysit and think of the other facts. We are going to be doing the extra hours next year and those extra hours are actually going to cost lots more more than the €650 (actually rechecked todays slip and i only got extra 400ish as to the 600 i said earlier) odd i got this year in extra babysitting costs as well as the general hassle of staying back. As well as that the whole premise of the croke park deal was to save the exchequer money. These extra hours do nothing to save money but will in fact cost money in terms of light/ heat etc.

So your contribution to the discussion of how much this teacher will earn is?

jonseyblub

Art Teacher wrote: »

So your contribution to the discussion of how much this teacher will earn is?

I see you didn't read my last post then where i said i had no opinion on the OP .:rolleyes:

Art Teacher

jonseyblub wrote: »

I see you didn't read my last post then where i said i had no opinion on the OP .:rolleyes:

In that case you need to remove yourself from the discussion.

jonseyblub

Still haven't read my posts then? :rolleyes:

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Art Teacher

PIKOMAN wrote: »

Hi,
I have found a teaching job!! but cannot for the life of me figure out what the starting salary is for a new teacher in sept 2011.

This is the most recent info I can find.
http://www.tui.ie/Salary_Scales/Default.286.html#Common

so looks like I will start at

grade 1 €30,904
H. Dip in Ed. (1st or 2nd Hons) €1,236
(g) Doctors Degree €6,140

which means my pay could be €38280

Now..... there is all sorts of talk about reducing the rates further and changes to increments and other allowances.

Does anyone know what I can expect to earn starting in 2011??

Thanks!

Nervous teacher.......

To the OP ,In my opinion you need to address these issues to the government not teachers.

gaeilgebeo

Art Teacher wrote: »

To the OP ,In my opinion you need to address these issues to the government not teachers.

Why do you keep replying to every poster with this??
The OP is asking a genuine question about pay, he/she does not have "issues" and is entitled to ask any questions related to teaching/lecturing.

You may need to read the OPs post again to see that it is a genuine question! You are clogging up the thread with unhelpful uninformative comments!

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Art Teacher, you have already posted that post on the previous page. Not sure if you meant to post it again so I thought I'd point it out.

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Art Teacher

If i was teacher wanting to find out what I would earn i would pick up the phone and ring the Department of Education.

I would not listen to the musings of teachers who have a salary already.

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The OP has his/her answer because of the helpful teachers who added it up for him/her so I will close this thread now.