There is no such thing as a SAROVIEW agent or installer

St Senan

Has anyone else in the Aerial rigging business noticed the amount of SAORVIEW agents, SAORVIEW Reps and SAORVIEW Authorised Installers appearing from no where.

I do hope that the powers to be in Saorview are taking notice as-well

Below is from the Saorview website.

Finding an Installer

The aerial installation trade in Ireland is unregulated at present. SAORVIEW is not in a position to establish the competence of any aerial installer and therefore there is no such thing as a SAROVIEW installer. However, SAORVIEW can direct you to a number of trade bodies with competence in this area who undertake vetting and registration of their members. If you require an aerial installer, the following organisations are recognised by SAORVIEW will be able to provide you with a list of registered members in your area.

Confederation of Aerial Industries Ltd.
Irish Satellite and Aerial Association
National Guild of Master Craftsmen

http://www.cai.org.uk/component/content/article/474

http://www.isaa.tv/isaamap.htm

http://www.nationalguild.ie/

As with any service, make sure the companies or individuals you deal with are well established. If someone is coming to your home to do some work, it is always advisable to check their track record and ask for references from previous clients. Ask your friends, relatives and neighbours who may have received similar services for recommendations - it is always best to deal with someone you know.

Be safe. Neither SAORVIEW nor RTÉ will ever send anyone to your door to check your television or aerial.

St Senan

Is this a new sort of T.V. system in Ireland to rival Saorview. Its called Saortvfreeview
And is this a new organisation to rival the ISAA, the National Guild and the CAI http://www.saortvinstallers.ie/

STB

scaller wrote: »

Is this a new sort of T.V. system in Ireland to rival Saorview. Its called Saortvfreeview
And is this a new organisation to rival the ISAA, the National Guild and the CAI http://www.saortvinstallers.ie/

http://www.chevrontraining.ie

They run training courses.....thats who owns that site. If someone wants to look into it.

St Senan

So they run a 1 week training course on Installing Aerials and have come up with a weird name for Saorview which means that they are not approved by Saorview
and now they have setup a map of installers that they have trained in 1 week and are probably charging these so called 1 week Installer's a fee to have their details on the map.

ISAA

Course Cost: €995 : :eek:

St Senan

But look at what they are charging for a Electrician to do a 2 day crash course. Now we will have electricians
installing T.V. aerials when they finish wiring a house like what they are doing with Alarms and CCTV.
what a Joke this is all becoming . Surely to god Saorview and the 3 Recognised bodies, The National Guild, the ISAA and the CAI, cant let course's like this continue on.

From the Chevron brochure

The switch-over from analogue to digital TV will provide tremendous employment opportunities for trained Digital TV installers. At least 250,000 households will need to transfer to the digital network prior to December 2012. As there are currently 254 self employed aerial installers across Ireland there is an insufficient number of installer available to satisfy this imminent demand.”

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At the moment there seems to be that amount of installers here in Co Wexford alone and about 9-10 of them are legit.

AstralTV

bump

MrSneeg

chevron also claim fetac level 5 accreditation in what?

at present fetac do not have any satellite / aerial installer accredited courses,
what the chevron course gives you is FETAC Level 5 Cable & Pre-Installation Techniques

which is
http://www.fetac.ie/doc/WelcomeServlet?DocId=0901df9e80001f95

This module is designed to provide the learner with the practical
skills required to install the cable and trunking required for the
installation of security systems. Learners who successfully
complete the module will satisfy one of the criteria for

membership of the Security Institute of Ireland.

outline the recommendations for siting the following for

optimum functioning and security value:

· CCTV cameras

· intruder alarm system detection equipment

· smoke detectors

· emergency lights and signs

· access control card readers

if i was paying 995 euro for a course i would at least expect a relevant qualification,

St Senan

It seems that they have jumped on the FREE TO AIR/SAORVIEW/DIGITAL/ASO/ merry-go-round. I wonder do FETAC approve of what this crowd are doing Training anybody to Install an Aerial in 1 week and presenting them with a cert for installing cable for security systems. http://www.fetac.ie/fetac/feedbackForm.do

MrSneeg

Fetac are incredibly slow at accrediting courses,
I would not expect to see a proper Satellite / aerial course with a Fetac accreditation available for a good while yet,
Its disgrace as people are paying the likes of chevron good money to get non related qualificatiions.

ISAA

All,

I spoke to a fectec trainer only last week, and he told me it's a joke trying to deal with them.
Never mine trying to arrange a new satellite/aerial course,
So what change do Associations, like us have.

1) Do our own training, ? (ISAA Course)
2) But been run by staff that have years behind them in the business.?

I for one would suggest the above,

cover :

H&S,working at Height, Insurance, proper fixings, Antenna installation, sat/Terr, RF theory, Cabling,Connectors, Saorview, Freesat, Other sat systems,decoders, FTA, CAM's,

But the difference, it's run by professionals, and not to make a quick $.

I don't believe there is a course been run at the moment, which covers the above in depth, and then there is no back up association.

Just image, a one stop shop :

1) ISAA, ISAA training, ISAA for the public to rely on,

I'm sure I will be SHOT for the above, but all good things start on Boards, like the ISAA, back in 2009,

St Senan

But Gerry Surely to god Saorview and the 3 Recognised bodies, The National Guild, the ISAA and the CAI, cant let course's like this continue on.

It is damaging to the Business having a crash course like the Chevron Training 1 week course producing Aerial Installers after 1 week.

Gerry Wicklow

scaller wrote: »

... having a crash course like the Chevron Training 1 week course producing Aerial Installers after 1 week.

Is that the one "How to fall from a roof in 1 easy lesson"?

MrSneeg

Gerry Wicklow wrote: »

Is that the one "How to fall from a roof in 1 easy lesson"?

fetac level 5 'stuntman' qualification included,

Tony

[QUOTE=scaller;73587912 3 Recognised bodies, The National Guild, the ISAA and the CAI, cant let course's like this continue on.

[/QUOTE]

Including the " National Guild" as a recognised body has already made this a bit of a farce

MrSneeg

what is making the whole thing a complete farce is the fact that members of the 3 recognised bodies can not use the 'saorview' logo in advertising or promoting their qualified services,

whereas the chimney drillers & 1 week course 'experts' use the 'saorview' logo ad hoc with little or no comeback,

the sad outcome of this debacle is that 'saorview' will get a bad name due to poor installs, rip off merchants, non approved combo boxes being sold as 'saorview',

and members of the 3 recognised bodies will have an uphill struggle trying to rectify the mess that this is quickly becoming.

St Senan

Why was the CAI considered it is based in the UK.

Tony

NewHillel wrote: »

A decent 1 week course is more than sufficient to train an installer for Freesat, Saorview, or Sky.

Please not this arguement again . I would not hire anyone on the basis of a one week course, good or bad.

MrSneeg

What is a "qualified service"?

a tradesman who can provide a service based on years of experience in the one trade, a tradesman who has knowledge of diferrent installation scenario's etc,

A decent 1 week course is more than sufficient to train an installer for Freesat, Saorview, or Sky.

B.S. its not,

In many cases a "Combo Box" is a better choice than an approved box.

still does not make the combo box 'saorview' approved as people are advertising

Lashing kits were almost mandatory before the days of cordless drills. However, there are many cases now where they are a perfectly viable option. I do agree that lashing kits are the more foolproof solution as there is little liklihood of an inexperienced installer causing damage. I also agree that some chimneys should not be drilled and doing same could result in serious structural damage.

chimneys should never be drilled.

AstralTV

In the good old analogue days I worked for TAS Tele aerial satellite, (which became skyinhomeservice SHS), trainees were asigned to me and stayed with me for at least 6 months as well as attending in house training courses,
after the six months they were assesed and sent out on their own under supervision for a further 6 months.

I also worked for Granada during the launch of 'on digital' , training regimes were just as strict and many just didnt cut it,

to imply that after a one week course that someone is as capable as myself and other experienced installers on this forum is quite a f*cking insult,

any one can read a 'Haynes manual' in a week but it does not make them a mechanic.

St Senan

Guys this thread is turning into another Technical Tit for Tat. I really don't want to see it getting locked. I Started it to highlight the Damage that is happening to the Aerial industry.