Calf with swelled naval/nable

barryoc1

Not sure whether it is naval or nable but i pronounce it nable. I have injected calves before for it but cant remember what i used. Anyone got any suggestions. Will probably just call to my vet and get a bottle of something from him anyway but just wondering if anyone has any suggestions. Would i be right in thinkin also that if it is soft it is a rupture but hard it is not? It is hard, but i am pretty sure a few injections have sorted the problem in the past. Been bout 3 years since i had the issue last thankfully.

pajero12

We've had this problem before, Its a herniation of the stomach, basically the muscle wall of the chest weakens. Well this is what our vet tells us!
We made a kind of a corset out of a rag and put it across his stomach. Left it on for a few weeks and it solved the problem.
Btw it's a naval!

pakalasa

It's "Navel";
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navel

reilig

pajero12 wrote: »

We've had this problem before, Its a herniation of the stomach, basically the muscle wall of the chest weakens. Well this is what our vet tells us!
We made a kind of a corset out of a rag and put it across his stomach. Left it on for a few weeks and it solved the problem.
Btw it's a naval!

That's it exactly Pajero.

We had one that the vet did surgery on. He turned out perfect!

greysides

barryoc1 wrote: »

It is hard, but i am pretty sure a few injections have sorted the problem in the past.

pajero12 wrote: »

We've had this problem before, Its a herniation of the stomach, basically the muscle wall of the chest weakens.

Hard is most likely Navel Ill; soft, most likely Herniation.

Umbilical Herniation is where the muscle wall doesnt close fully by birth at the umbilicus/navel. Other hernias are due to tears of the muscle.

Need to recognise which is which to get the right treatment. Problem is sometimes both are present together.

anfieldrd

reilig wrote: »

That's it exactly Pajero.

We had one that the vet did surgery on. He turned out perfect!

We had one few weeks ago that the vet put the rubber ring on to seal up the stomach, just noticed yday that while the bit below the ring was falling off, the wound itself looks a bit raw. Is this common?

sonnybill

Have a lovely sim heifer with hernia, it just didnt close and I could poke it up easily .. Have tried the cable tie on the loose skin beneath to keep it up/in. Many people had success with it closing or operation the only answer?

greysides

anfieldrd wrote: »

We had one few weeks ago that the vet put the rubber ring on to seal up the stomach, just noticed yday that while the bit below the ring was falling off, the wound itself looks a bit raw. Is this common?

Yes. Should heal ok unless infected.

greysides

sonnybill wrote: »

Have a lovely sim heifer with hernia, it just didnt close and I could poke it up easily .. Have tried the cable tie on the loose skin beneath to keep it up/in. Many people had success with it closing or operation the only answer?

How big is the hernia?

sonnybill

greysides wrote: »

How big is the hernia?

Described it to vet as 2 fingers width and maybe 3" long .. Goes up into her easily and let her out of chute and it'll come down again easily too

greysides

Ignore it. No surgery needed. Should disappear as she grows.

sonnybill

greysides wrote: »

Ignore it. No surgery needed. Should disappear as she grows.

She healthy and eating and sucking away anyway, would you have not bothered with the cable tie?

Reason I ask is that I think in the 5 days I was deciding what to do with it , the hernia increased in size and didn't go back up as easily as when I first felt it , I couldn't see how gap would close if the piece of the gut wouldn't stay in?

Base price

sonnybill wrote: »

She healthy and eating and sucking away anyway, would you have not bothered with the cable tie?

Reason I ask is that I think in the 5 days I was deciding what to do with it , the hernia increased in size and didn't go back up as easily as when I first felt it , I couldn't see how gap would close if the piece of the gut wouldn't stay in?

How much is it going to cost you to get your Vet to assess the calf's condition - 30 odd euro for a call out charge. You can cut the call out charge, put the calf into the trailer and bring her to your Vet's practice.
Either way, your Vet's opinion is the best option.

greysides

If it's getting bigger it would be a concern. But those dimensions described I would consider as not of concern. As the animal grows it appears as if the hole remains the same size and eventually the gut doesn't fit in and then it closes. Bigger ones seem to stay the same size relative to the animal. Its been years since I met one that merited attention. I might just be lucky.
Incarceration and strangling of the gut is a sequel I warn about but have never experienced.
As BP says, a trip to your vet should put your mind at rest, one way or the other.

aidanki

Did anyone see that big week on the farm program on RTE.

There was a vet called to treat a swollen naval and examined and found a tumor as big as a can of coke. The tumor was going up into the stomach. He might even have missed it on the initial examination and only found it almost by accident.

He did surgery and stiches and the calf survived

Not sure which of the two ailments discussed here that woudl have been.