Scott Addict R3 / CR1 / Foil

aquanaut

Does anyone know, for a first carbon bike, 150km per week, hilly roads, climbing, sportives, average 25kmph - is there a vast diference between 2011 CR1s and R3s. Is the CR1 an 'old mans bike' or can it be aggressive? Also with the foil completely replacing the Addict, will the spec / pricing be the same as Addict or is that still secret at this stage.

Lumen

aquanaut wrote: »

Also with the foil completely replacing the Addict

Do you have a source for that? From what I've read the Foil has significantly worse ride quality than the Addict.

They'd be mad to kill the Addict, it's a great frame.

Or maybe I just don't understand Scott's product line.

AstraMonti

They might be killing the addict, the wording on Scott's site is weird:

The FOIL is nestled appropriately between the CR1 and Plasma in our Road Range.

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aquanaut

I have it on word from a reliable source that there will be no 2012 Addict. Now that could be wrong but it s a bit crap as I decided to hold back on upgrading till next year with the R3 in mind.

Lumen

AstraMonti wrote: »

They might be killing the addict, the wording on Scott's site is weird:

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This is sad. It seems like the industry has decided that selling 0.1kph or whatever of frame aerodynamics is more important to performance than ride quality. I suppose weight weenieness is equally irrelevant when everyone can do 6.8kg, but at least in the Addict they managed to do lightness and stiffness without compromising ride quality too badly.

aquanaut

Lumen - did I see that you had an Addict (???) with a cracked seat stay? Just out of interest why did it break? ...and do Scott replace or what? TIA.

Lumen

aquanaut wrote: »

Lumen - did I see that you had an Addict (???) with a cracked seat stay? Just out of interest why did it break? ...and do Scott replace or what? TIA.

I crashed it.

gman2k

Aquanaut, for a few years there, the only noticeable difference between any of the different Addicts was the paint job. One years SL was the exact same as the next.
The only difference between this years Scott and next years will be the price - it will be more expensive!
In terms of ride quality, you won't notice an iota of difference between one and the other.
Don't believe everything you read in the comics about bike reviews, all beautiful prose.
Without bike manufacturers there would be no comics, without comics the bike makers would find it harder to reach the market, and justify each years upgrade.
Every year all the bikes are getting lighter, stiffer, stronger, more aero, faster, more comfortable.
In the 100 year+ history of bike production, improvements will always be claimed by the bike makers marketing department to justify their existence.
In 100 years time, will we get bikes that weigh absolutely nothing, are as stiff as a poker, and are as comfortable as an armchair, and as fast as the wind????

All you are buying when getting a new bike is the name on the frame, all the other items are the exact same on any other bike - i.e. groupset, wheels and finishing kit.

When I bought my Addict (as a frame), it was a previous years model, so I got a (relative) bargain. Does the bike perform any differently from this years model? No.
Does the bike make any difference to me when struggling up the inclines? Maybe slightly when compared to my 1988 Peugeot, but to other riders in the club on other modern bikes- no.

If I was building another ultimate build road bike again I would either
1. Go for a custom steel build, or
2. Go like Kayaksurfbum and get an unbranded frame from China. (You've seen his bike, it's a beaut, and it works. No marketing dept spoofery makes his bike go any faster!)

Bike companies love people who upgrade - it's what keeps them in existence.
But it's you that provides the engine, and that's where all the difference lies.

Lumen

gman2k wrote: »

Aquanaut, for a few years there, the only noticeable difference between any of the different Addicts was the paint job. One years SL was the exact same as the next.
The only difference between this years Scott and next years will be the price - it will be more expensive!
In terms of ride quality, you won't notice an iota of difference between one and the other.

Yes, but this isn't a thread about differences between Addicts of different model years, it's about the difference between CR1, Addict and Foil.

I haven't ridden either the CR1 or the Foil, but you only have to read between the lines of the "comic" reviews of the Foil to sense that it won't be ideal for Irish roads.

James Huang said in the BikeRadar review "Unfortunately, one performance metric that does seem to have met the chopping block is ride quality – like it or not, the new FOIL is notably less forgiving than the already-stiff Addict.".

Translated from magazine-speak, I read this to mean "the ride quality is absolutely woeful, avoid".

As for the CR1, according to CC it has 15mm more head tube and 5mm less top tube. I don't think that matters much unless you're right at one end of fitting an Addict. They do also **** on about its vertical compliance "the CR1 provides such a degree of vertical conformity that up to .6mm of compliance is measurable at the axles". Oooh, 0.6mm.

Anyway, I guess I would say that Scott has a history of making light, competent bikes, and the CR1 is probably perfectly fine for racing if you get the sizing and stem choice right and are not super-flexible.

edit: FWIW last month I rode my Canyon Ultimate AL with 50mm carbon wheels on the chip-and-tar roads of Wexford, and after 80km my arse was in bits. Training and racing around Dublin I've not had the same problems. Road conditions matter a lot.

aquanaut

Thanks guys - while the original post was more about why are they dropping the Addict and is there much difference between the Addict /CR1s because I am not going to be upgrading before the 2011 models finish or are end of lifed, and the Scott Addict R3 caught my eye (CR1 second), as a natural progression when moving up from alu to carbon - it's just a shame that I think the Foil is ugly. I agree that Kayaksurfbum's bike is sweet, and the frame is probably just as sound as a big brand name, the fact is that, to me, the Addict is a lovely looking bike - shame to see it axed.