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Declaring for your country, becoming a joke?

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  • #2
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,571 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Who cares, he's shyte.


  • #3
    ynwa_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭ynwa_17


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056298648


  • #4
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    fullstop wrote: »
    Who cares, he's shyte.

    We would ......if he was good.

    Sad shower we are.


  • #5
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Can't see the problem to be honest, if you have no problems with English players declaring for Ireland can't see the problem if it happens the other way.

    You should just be allowed to play for whatever country you want imo.


  • #6
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    I don't see it as a problem really, but it would be better if players had to decide their country in their early twenties at the latest. None of this waiting around to see if you get called up to the better team, and if not opting for the lesser one as a result.


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  • #7
    d22ontour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,388 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    OPENROAD wrote: »

    You should just be allowed to play for whatever country you want imo.

    Bollox to that.

    You should be allowed play for the country you were born in.
    No Grannies, no citizenship, no drinking the local beer in room temperature bars.
    Born in and at a push your parents country of birth seeing as they might have moved from their place of origin.


  • #8
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    d22ontour wrote: »
    Bollox to that.

    You should be allowed play for the country you were born in.
    No Grannies, no citizenship, no drinking the local beer in room temperature bars.
    Born in and at a push your parents country of birth seeing as they might have moved from their place of origin.

    I consider myself an adopted Londoner based on that :p

    That is fair enough, but if you are saying that, I'm not sure about the parent rule then, I could play for another country based on the parent rule, but I have never been to that country in my life, have nothing in common with that country.

    The reason I said you should be allowed to play for whatever country you want is basically because of the current rules, you are born in another country, brought up in that country, live in that country, yet play for another country.

    As I have said before with an immigrant population now in Ireland, you may well have people declaring for a country other than Ireland, and some people will start getting miffed, forgetting that Ireland has benefited from the rules greatly over the years.


  • #9
    Mezcita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Mezcita


    fullstop wrote: »
    Who cares, he's shyte.

    As a Leeds fan, I'd like to echo the shyte comment.


  • #10
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    I hate the way that international football allows you to pick and choose.

    You should be made declare for a country once you sign pro forms imo.


    Its a total pisstake that you can get 20 caps at U21 level, play a couple of friendlies for the same country then still have the option of changing. Its a farce imo and making a mockery out of international football which is dying as it is.


  • #11
    Healio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭Healio


    p_larkin99 wrote: »
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    You should be made declare for a country once you sign pro forms imo.

    No declaring about it, you either born there and good enough, or fcuk off TBH.


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  • #12
    S.M.B.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    p_larkin99 wrote: »
    I hate the way that international football allows you to pick and choose.

    You should be made declare for a country once you sign pro forms imo.


    Its a total pisstake that you can get 20 caps at U21 level, play a couple of friendlies for the same country then still have the option of changing. Its a farce imo and making a mockery out of international football which is dying as it is.
    Is it not doing the opposite though?

    It may not promote national loyalty but surely it has a positive effect on the game as a whole (albeit in the lower levels mainly)?


  • #13
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    Healio wrote: »
    No declaring about it, you either born there and good enough, or fcuk off TBH.

    Dont really agree with that. Where is the cut off point? Lets say born in England but taken to Ireland when you are 1 so spend all your life that you know of in Ireland. IMO there's a right here to feel and be Irish.


  • #14
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    S.M.B. wrote: »
    Is it not doing the opposite though?

    Im not really sure I get what you mean here.....?
    S.M.B. wrote: »
    It may not promote national loyalty but surely it has a positive effect on the game as a whole (albeit in the lower levels mainly)?

    I dont care about the positive effect on the game.

    Its laughable to read these players having played x amount of games at U21 level and then play for another nation or even worse they played at full level but because they are friendlies they can still switch. The Welbeck situation for example is ridiculous.


  • #15
    Columbia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Columbia


    Players should declare for a country on signing their first professional papers, simple. If they're grown up enough to sign a 3-year professional contract with everything that brings with it, they should know what country they want to play for.


  • #16
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,616 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Its relatively easy to pontificate about this when you are born on an island which your parents were also born on, and the borders of that island haven't changed in a couple of generations.

    Its a lot more complicated for about 30% of the worlds population.

    Major Lols at the people suggesting you should have to make a decision at the time you sign pro forms (at aged 15/16 or whatever).


  • #17
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    pipelaser wrote: »
    Declaring for your country, becoming a joke?

    Why would declaring for your country be a joke? :confused:


  • #18
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Flexible rules allows us to pinch players developed by the NI youth systems and recruit English mercenaries = good

    Flexible rules work the other way = bad


  • #19
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    The thing that annoys the hell out of me is when an english player tries to play for england, gets not a lick of first team football then "magically" has irish grandparents. I just think it makes us look like a team full of englands rejects...


  • #20
    legendary.xix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    He's free to make this decision so I wouldn't make an issue out of it. If he was a player Ireland needed, a competitive cap should have come up at some stage by now for Bruce. The lad clearly wants to play international football. I wouldn't fault that. O'Dea and St. Ledger did well and the beginning of June. I thought we'd have struggles without Dunne.


  • #21
    Orizio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    OPENROAD wrote: »

    You should just be allowed to play for whatever country you want imo.

    Agreed. If Alex Bruce says he is Northern Irish then he is Northern Irish. Honestly we should scrap teams based around artificial creations like the nation-state anyway, its regressive and backwards. Soccer is the by far the most progressive sport in the world - we now need to make an important gesture for mankind, and get rid of competitions based around nationalist seperation.


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  • #22
    event
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭event


    d22ontour wrote: »
    Bollox to that.

    You should be allowed play for the country you were born in.
    No Grannies, no citizenship, no drinking the local beer in room temperature bars.
    Born in and at a push your parents country of birth seeing as they might have moved from their place of origin.

    jesus, if thats the case the french would never have won the world cup or the euros in 98/00

    no vieira, desailly, thuram, karembu.
    germany would currently have no klose, podolski, trochowski or cacau.

    doing something like that could greatly affect world football. with the above rules, ireland football would not be as it is today, some of our current and best players may never have played football


  • #23
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    event wrote: »
    jesus, if thats the case the french would never have won the world cup or the euros in 98/00

    no vieira, desailly, thuram, karembu.
    germany would currently have no klose, podolski, trochowski or cacau.

    doing something like that could greatly affect world football. with the above rules, ireland football would not be as it is today, some of our current and best players may never have played football

    In fairness though they grew up in the country


  • #24
    event
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,119 ✭✭✭✭event


    oh i know, but where would you draw the line?
    how long would you have had to live in the country etc


  • #25
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    As I have said before with an immigrant population now in Ireland, you may well have people declaring for a country other than Ireland, and some people will start getting miffed, forgetting that Ireland has benefited from the rules greatly over the years.

    So what if some people start getting miffed? Everybody knows that there are lots and lots of stupid people out there. Surely we don't need to worry about them furrowing their brows over things they can't comprehend at some point in the future.


  • #26
    OPENROAD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭OPENROAD


    Pro. F wrote: »
    So what if some people start getting miffed? Everybody knows that there are lots and lots of stupid people out there. Surely we don't need to worry about them furrowing their brows over things they can't comprehend at some point in the future.

    Just trying to point out the double standards


  • #27
    Pro. F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    OPENROAD wrote: »
    Just trying to point out the double standards

    Cool, but it hasn't happened yet. And if/when it does happen we should be able to ignore the hypocrites who start moaning. Just seems to me like it's a waste of time concerning ourselves with what some eejits might moan about in the future :)


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