Gaddafi effectively declares war on Europe.

General General

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13997322

Libya: Muammar Gaddafi threatens Europe

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has threatened to attack Europe in revenge for Nato's operations in Libya.

Col Gaddafi said Libya would target European "homes, offices, families" unless Nato stopped its campaign.

He spoke via an audio message broadcast to tens of thousands of supporters gathered in a central Tripoli square.

His message comes after France confirmed it had supplied weapons to anti-government rebels, delivering arms to Berber tribal fighters near Tripoli.

In the broadcast, played via loudspeakers to gathered crowds in the capital's Green Square, he called on supporters to "march on the western mountains", the area where the weapons had been delivered.

'Like locusts'

Then he warned Europe that Libyans would seek revenge.

"These people [the Libyans] are able to one day take this battle [...] to Europe, to target your homes, offices, families, which would become legitimate military targets, like you have targeted our homes," he said.

"If we decide to, we are able to move to Europe like locusts, like bees. We advise you to retreat before you are dealt a disaster," he added.

His message come just days after the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Col Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam and Libyan intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanoussi for crimes against humanity.

International prosecutors allege government troops fired on civilian protesters during anti-Gaddafi street demonstrations earlier this year.

Friday's rally was one of the largest in recent times, says the BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, in Tripoli, and the message was the first time that Col Gaddafi had been heard of in weeks.

Is this the stupidest thing he could have done?

Toby Take a Bow

He knows he's ****ed, so I guess this makes sense in his crazy little mind.

OR: he still sees himself as getting out of this mess, and this will shore up his base.

His craziest mistake was claiming he'd go door-to-door and butcher the rebels in Benghazi.

Richard Hillman

Well that surely legitimizes NATO's campaign. This is not just a threat to the NATO countries of Europe but all of Europe. I hope they get nuked.

autonomy

What he's proposing is to act just as NATO already acted killing innocent civilians

HerrScheisse

I guess you don't remember Lockerbie - that was reason enough for liquidating his crazy ass!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I'd say the FCA are on high alert.

Nodin

General General wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13997322



Is this the stupidest thing he could have done?

No, the line of death was his finest moment. He'll probably never top that.

General General

autonomy wrote: »

What he's proposing is to act just as NATO already acted killing innocent civilians

Supposing that argument stands up, NATO is NATO, Gaddafi is Gaddafi. I think he's just given his opponents a carte blanche.

Crazy Horse 6

Any chance he could start his campaign of terror up at leinster house.

Raging_Ninja

Not the first time Libyans have attacked Western civilians.

Leeg17

Challenge accepted.

*crosses arms*

ascanbe

Nah. He could've sat down and started watching a film called 'Swordfish'. That'd be the stupidest thing he could do. Had the misfortune, having never heard of it, of stumbling into watching a bit of it during the week there. Christ, it's a shockingly awful.

autonomy

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I'd say the FCA are on high alert.

Thank god Ireland is a neutral country, and we have nothing to do with NATOs despicable actions!

W.Shakes-Beer

*sits on porch with shotgun*

Notorious97

This will only give NATO more incentive to arm the rebela more, i dont think they will invade as they did i iraq etc.

Lets just hope arming the rebels doesnt bite us all in the ass down the line if they turn on the west as has been seen in the past by helping to over throw regimes

Gaddafis got to go though no doubt

HerrScheisse

He has just proven himself a mad dog and you cannot deal with a mad dog. Now no government will raise objection once NATO start targeting him directly to prevent civilian casualities. Until now they have tried but avoided stating it directly for fear of losing Arab support. But now - Gadaffi just painted a big bullseye on himself. Nor will any government take him in anymore...he has called his last bluff. The end is nigh Muammar. Lockerbie is coming home.

EggsAckley

Parachuting into Misrata with an m16 shouting "Say hello to my little sahibi" would be far more stupid but very cool

Absurdum

I hope he wins teeheehee

General General

Thread conversion, how many days 'til Gaddafi is 'gone'?

Closest guess wins a prize.

I guess 21 days.

autonomy

General General wrote: »

Thread conversion, how many days 'til Gaddafi is 'gone'?

Closest guess wins a prize.

I guess 21 days.

It will be some significant date like 4th of july

Guy:Incognito

autonomy wrote: »

Thank god Ireland is a neutral country, and we have nothing to do with NATOs despicable actions!

We heard you the first time, now toddle off.

HerrScheisse

Think of that poor minion that recently got released from Scotland for Lockerbie. Arrived home to a heroes welcome and thought he had it made. He probably wishes he was back in a Scottish cell at the moment

Won't somebody please think of the henchmen!

Logical Fallacy

What a dumbass, the only thing keeping him in power is the fact that NATO are not supposed to have troops on the ground.

The daft bastard is gonna get the Osama treatment.

c_man

They've been trying to kill him for months. Should we surprised at this statement?

HerrScheisse

General General wrote: »

Thread conversion, how many days 'til Gaddafi is 'gone'?

Closest guess wins a prize.

I guess 21 days.

I reckon they can remove him within a week but will want to prevent a civil war or troops on the ground. So I think the plan for transition will take longer...27 August be my bet!

General General

Ladies & Gentlemen, please... each precise prediction gets a complimentary thanks (did you see what I did there?)... your predictions for the termination of Gaddafi, please.

Absurdum

16th March 2036

HerrScheisse

Absurdum wrote: »

16th March 2036

What the? He doesn't have enough beard to do a Castro!

ascanbe

This is a mere cartoon. I can see Gaddafi duck out of this one no problem..

July 19th, to go along with Marathon becoming Snickers and the ice age ending.

ItsAWindUp

All the one really it's only a matter of time 'till he's gone. Real question is whether or not he'll allow himself to be captured.

Biggins

Just like Sadam before his eventual demise, its just one more ranting shout to his people that are scattered everywhere.
It will come to nothing most likely. The people of Libya are more concerned about striving just to stay alive and find food & shelter.

Gaddafi is probably pissed too now that the French have started independently, dropping arms shipments by air drop, into the country.
That further spells that his eventual downfall is not a case of "IF" but "WHEN"...

If he has half a brain, he should be negotiating a way out for himself - he most likely is - as he puts up a PR front of defiance for his paid supporters and fooled following sheep.

Fukuyama

Drop weapons. Let them fall like rain onto Benghazi, Misurata and the western mountains of Libya.

Bomb legitimate targets using prescision missiles. Try to miniamize civilian caualties. Let the apaches, fighters and drones scatter and obliterate his hardware. Let the rebels move onwards and when the time comes let that new 'Tripoli Brigade' storm Tripoli.

If Ghadafi wants to go down with a fight; let him. Hopefully he'll catch a bullet in the head or be arrested and stand trial.

Then, assist Libya in forming a new republic. It's about time the middle east was brought into the 21st century and these leaders deposed. At the heart of all extremeism is the mentality and illiteracy incubated by these types of regimes.

What we're witnessing is arguably the most spontaneous (although more successful) uprising since Hungary in '56. Let's hope it pays dividents. If it doesn;t then you just know Ghadaffi will go on a massacre as promised.

Celly Smunt

Dean0088 wrote: »

Drop weapons. Let them fall like rain onto Benghazi, Misurata and the western mountains of Libya.

Bomb legitimate targets using prescision missiles. Try to miniamize civilian caualties. Let the apaches, fighters and drones scatter and obliterate his hardware. Let the rebels move onwards and when the time comes let that new 'Tripoli Brigade' storm Tripoli.

If Ghadafi wants to go down with a fight; let him. Hopefully he'll catch a bullet in the head or be arrested and stand trial.

Then, assist Libya in forming a new republic. It's about time the middle east was brought into the 21st century and these leaders deposed. At the heart of all extremeism is the mentality and illiteracy incubated by these types of regimes.

and then invade again in ten years time to get rid of the dictatorial regime which takes control,sounds like a solid plan to me.

Biggins

Dean0088 wrote: »

...If Ghadafi wants to go down with a fight; let him.

Well he is going to get it. The Tripoli Khattiba unit, hundreds of rebel fighters from Tripoli have now massed in Libya’s western mountains and formed a special task force charged with spearheading an assault on the capital.

The French admitted now that their deliveries, by parachute, did consist of mainly of light infantry weapons, but now are heavier equipment, including machine-guns, rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank missiles and vehicles, further being supplied to them.

Fukuyama

Biggins wrote: »

Well he is going to get it. The Tripoli Khattiba unit, hundreds of rebel fighters from Tripoli have now massed in Libya’s western mountains and formed a special task force charged with spearheading an assault on the capital.

Is that what it's called? I've been calling it the Tripoli Brigade! :P

I seen them being trained on Al Jazeera. Looks like they're getting good. British trainers it's rumoured.

If Tripoli decides to put up a fight it'll be like the battle for Berlin but it will fall. The rebels have way to much to loose. “I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er.” springs to mind.

Fukuyama

pmcmahon wrote: »

and then invade again in ten years time to get rid of the dictatorial regime which takes control,sounds like a solid plan to me.

I assume you're alluding to Desert Storm and then the 2003 Iraq invasion?

Except, uh, there's no foreign boots on the ground (bar training and advisors).

Also, democracy is the order of the day here. The rebels are a wayworthy bunch. A motly crew from all different backgrounds - solicitors and doctors are fighting alongside street cleaners and trashpickers. I can't see there being much chance of a dictatorship being installed when the revolution consists of such a variant bunch - democracy is the order of the day here.

Celly Smunt

Dean0088 wrote: »

I assume you're alluding to Desert Storm and then the 2003 Iraq invasion?

Except, uh, there's no foreign boots on the ground (bar training and advisors).

Also, democracy is the order of the day here. The afghan army are a wayworthy bunch. A motly crew from all different backgrounds - solicitors and doctors are fighting alongside street cleaners and trashpickers. I can't see there being much chance of a dictatorship being installed when the revolution consists of such a variant bunch - democracy is the order of the day here.

it's desert storm all over again with a little Afghanistan thrown in for good measure,just because there's no foreign boots on the ground yet doesn't mean there wont be,it'll be similar to Afghanistan

tfitzgerald

Gaddafi still has a lot of support I think a lot of people are going to die before this is over. Also the west are showing double standards here why are the not " helping " the people in Syria .

Highly Salami

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Any chance he could start his campaign of terror up at leinster house.

No.

Highly Salami

General General wrote: »

Thread conversion, how many days 'til Gaddafi is 'gone'?

Closest guess wins a prize.

I guess 21 days.

120 days?

Zebra3

HerrScheisse wrote: »

I guess you don't remember Lockerbie - that was reason enough for liquidating his crazy ass!

Lockerbie had nothing to do with Libya.

jimthemental

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Gaddafi still has a lot of support I think a lot of people are going to die before this is over. Also the west are showing double standards here why are the not " helping " the people in Syria .

To be honest I'd say they want to try and let Lybia get itself sorted with minimal interference first before they go to work somewhere else. It wouldn't be wise for NATO to go in everywhere, they're not exactly popular in those parts.

Herb Powell

Time for many many bombs

Fukuyama

pmcmahon wrote: »

it's desert storm all over again with a little Afghanistan thrown in for good measure,just because there's no foreign boots on the ground yet doesn't mean there wont be,it'll be similar to Afghanistan

Anything of substance to back this up?

I see no similarities between this and Afghanistan.

This is more like Kosovo.