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Sabotaged Irish Boat heading to Gaza

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    That Israeli gay activist who wasn't allowed go? No, wait - that was faked too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 966 ✭✭✭RedRaven


    That Israeli gay activist who wasn't allowed go? No, wait - that was faked too.

    :)

    On a serious note the prop shaft could have pierced the hull out at sea and there were 20 Irish lives a stake here.

    If the boat did go down we would probably never know what happened or how it was damaged.

    Whats the bets it was Mossad?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    RedRaven wrote: »
    :)

    On a serious note the prop shaft could have pierced the hull out at sea and there were 20 Irish lives a stake here.

    If the boat did go down we would probably never know what happened or how it was damaged.

    Whats the bets it was Mossad?

    I'd be sure it was Mossad, bound to be. Happened last year to Irish vessel
    The Rachel Corrrie as well. Let's hope this is the full extent of history repeating itself and the IDF scum don't go on a killing spree of innocent civilians once again. There were reports in Jan of the ship being under Israeli surveilance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    A piece like that doesn't just disappear or go missing, it can only be mechanically removed unless some large failure occurs which would certainly be noticeable.

    Definitely the Israelis, problem is proving it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    RMD wrote: »
    A piece like that doesn't just disappear or go missing, it can only be mechanically removed unless some large failure occurs which would certainly be noticeable.

    Definitely the Israelis, problem is proving it.

    As if proving it will make a blind bit of difference to them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    As if proving it will make a blind bit of difference to them.

    Yeah, they claim it was an act of self-defence or some sh!t.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭Green Back


    This completely stinks of a mossad 'event'.
    By coincidence well known mossad agents 'James Kearney' aka the Vulcan and 'Paul O'Donnvan' aka the Crayfish were visiting Ireland this week.

    The Vulcan was based at the Israeli consulate in NY from June 2000 to November 2001.
    He was transfered to Ireland in January of this year. And the Crayfish moved here at the end of May.
    Both agents left on Friday. Word around the diplomatic community is that they spet the last week on a fishing jaunt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Green Back wrote: »
    This completely stinks of a mossad 'event'.
    By coincidence well known mossad agents 'James Kearney' aka the Vulcan and 'Paul O'Donnvan' aka the Crayfish were visiting Ireland this week.

    The Vulcan was based at the Israeli consulate in NY from June 2000 to November 2001.
    He was transfered to Ireland in January of this year. And the Crayfish moved here at the end of May.
    Both agents left on Friday. Word around the diplomatic community is that they spet the last week on a fishing jaunt.

    The ship was damaged in Turkey.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,859 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The ship was damaged in Turkey.

    And? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    And? :confused:

    I misread, thought he was implying they damaged it here

    Edit:
    I see a report from Turkey saying it was damaged before it docked and most likely unintentional.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-probe-reveals-irish-ship-in-gaza-flotilla-not-sabotaged-1.370847
    An investigation by Turkish police into the alleged sabotaging of an Irish ship set to sail in the flotilla to Gaza revealed that the damage to the ship occurred before it docked in Turkey, the Turkish daily Hurriyet reported on Saturday.

    The flotilla organizers have claimed that the ship was docked in Turkey’s territorial waters when the tampering occurred.


    Flotilla organizers working on their damaged ship in the port of Pireaus.

    Photo by: Karla Larson
    Hurriyet reported Turkish diplomats as saying that the investigation revealed that the damage done to the ship had occurred before it docked, and was most likely not caused intentionally.

    According to an activist, the engine of the Irish vessel was damaged in such a way that would have caused the ship to sink in the middle of the ocean and cause fatalities.

    The flotilla spokesman, Dror Feiler, told Army Radio that he has no proof that Israel was responsible for the damage, but that the state would do everything in its power to prevent the ships from heading to Gaza.

    “I saw the damage and it is clear that it was done in a planned and professional way,” he said. “The Israeli government is the only one that could benefit from this.”

    On Monday, the propeller of the Greek-Swedish ship "Juliano" was found broken, and Gaza flotilla organizers said they believed it was deliberate sabotage by Israel. Due to the vandalism, flotilla participants have organized guard duty rosters for each ship that is due to sail for Gaza.

    Meanwhile in Greece, the government issued a statement on Friday, saying that the departure of ships with Greek and foreign flags from Greek ports to the maritime area of Gaza has been prohibited. The statement explained that this is in a bid to prevent a breach of Israel’s naval blockade.

    The flotilla is set to head toward Gaza a little over a year after Israeli marines stormed another pro-Palestinian flotilla that had approached the strip. Nine activists died in the on-board clashes, provoking an international outcry.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    I misread, thought he was implying they damaged it here

    Edit:
    I see a report from Turkey saying it was damaged before it docked and most likely unintentional.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-probe-reveals-irish-ship-in-gaza-flotilla-not-sabotaged-1.370847

    I'd love to know how the Turkish officials came to that conclusion.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    I misread, thought he was implying they damaged it here

    Edit:
    I see a report from Turkey saying it was damaged before it docked and most likely unintentional.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-turkey-probe-reveals-irish-ship-in-gaza-flotilla-not-sabotaged-1.370847

    Israeli lies are neverending.
    the breakdown of the ship might not be a result of sabotage
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=initial-inspection-says-no-sabotage-to-irish-ship-to-gaza-within-turkish-territorial-waters-2011-07-01

    becomes...
    and was most likely not caused intentionally.

    Not that Turkey can be trusted at this point either. They're more concerned with providing NATO bases for ground attacks on Syria. The whole article is nonsense, nameless Turkish diplomats and Dror Feiler is not the Flotilla spokesman, he is not even a spokesman for the Swedish-Greek-Norwegian ship which was also sabotaged in Turkey, Mattias Gardell a University professor is. And this is just a bridge too far for me, when murder becomes "Nine activists died in the on-board clashes".

    For those with a short memort



  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Here you can see the damage to the Irish ship



    The damage to the Swedish ship can be seen here: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4088583,00.html

    Only an idiot could think that this was a coincidence and not the work of Israel or it's whore Amreeka.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,326 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    95% likely that they did it themselves for publicity and to copperfasten the support of the whole anti-Israel pro-flotilla brigades.

    Fair dues to them, quite a clever move.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    95% likely that they did it themselves for publicity and to copperfasten the support of the whole anti-Israel pro-flotilla brigades.

    Fair dues to them, quite a clever move.

    Yeah and the captain of the US ship probably conspired with the Greek government to have himself arrested to raise publicity too right?
    "whole anti-Israel pro-flotilla"

    This is the nonsense propoganda being peddled as if you can't be pro-Israel and "pro-flotilla" whatever the **** that actually means. I'm sure it pains you to say pro-human rights cos' lets face it it would make a nonsense of what you are saying,
    "whole anti-Israel, pro-human rights"
    See?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    on what Grounds are the Greeks holding the Flotilla????

    what Particular reason have they given for not allowing the boats to sail out of Greece?????/


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    on what Grounds are the Greeks holding the Flotilla????

    what Particular reason have they given for not allowing the boats to sail out of Greece?????/

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    The Greek Port Authority received a tip from "someone" that the ship was not seaworthy. The Greeks (who are now in the clutches of the international banksters) acted upon the the tip which would've taken weeks to resolve with all the red tape so the ship made a break for international waters and were caught by the coastguard and the captain was imprisoned and is being charged with a felony.

    In the last half hour or so the Canadian ship made a break for it too, was caught and towed back to dock.
    Canadian boats twitter for updates https://twitter.com/#!/CanadaBoatGaza

    EDIT: more detail
    Israel Law Center behind harassment of flotilla funded by homophobic End Timer Pastor John Hagee
    On 06.27.11, By Max
    Pastor John Hagee is a major financial supporter of Shurat Hadin, the Israel Law Center behind the legal campaign against the Gaza Freedom Flotilla

    Pastor John Hagee is a major financial supporter of Shurat Hadin, the Israel Law Center behind the legal campaign against the Gaza Freedom Flotilla

    On June 24, Joseph Dana, a journalist who will traveling aboard the US boat to Gaza, discovered that an anonymous private legal complaint had been filed against the Gaza Freedom Flotilla. The complaint alleged that US boat, “The Audacity of Hope,” was not sea worthy and therefore was unfit to sail. In response, the harbor master in Athens, Greece, where the boat was docked, told the crew that he could not allow them to leave until the complaint was resolved.

    Two days later, the Israel Law Center, Shurat Hadin, accepted responsibility for the complaint, which was essentially a baseless but startlingly successful exercise in legal harassment. Who is Shurat Hadin, and what is their agenda? According to the group’s website, Shurat Hadin is a Tel Aviv-based law center that specializes in lawsuits against “terrorists.” Its founder, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, describes herself in her bio as a “human rights activist.”

    Darshan-Leitner began her harassment of the US boat to Gaza began weeks ago when it filed a civil action against “perceived supporters of Hamas” on behalf of Alan Bauer, an American doctor who was injured along with his son in a 2002 Jerusalem bombing attack. The action also threatened maritime insurance companies with legal consequences if they insured any of the boats involved in the flotilla.

    I have discovered that a major donor to Shurat Hadin is the homophobic far-right Pastor John Hagee. In March 2010, I reported that Hagee appeared beside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at a major rally in Jerusalem to denounce the two state solution and announce the financial contributions he and his supporters were making to Israeli organizations. Among the organizations Hagee said he had bankrolled was Shurat Hadin.
    http://maxblumenthal.com/2011/06/israel-law-center-behind-harassment-of-flotilla-funded-by-homophobic-end-timer-pastor-john-hagee/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Odd that, The Boats made it all the way to Greece, but suddenly they are deemed unseaworthy by someone in a diferent country :confused:


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Odd that, The Boats made it all the way to Greece, but suddenly they are deemed unseaworthy by someone in a diferent country :confused:

    Yeah it is odd. I think their claim is that those aboard the Audacity of Hope are basically terrorists and if you enable these terrorists in any way - insurance, communications, coast guard etc these Israeli supremacist lawyers are going to come after you.

    Here are some of the terrorists

    nic-abramson.jpg

    Nic Abramson – Woodstock, NY, 69, Jewish peace activist.

    medea-benjamin.jpg

    Medea Benjamin – Washington, DC , She has been an advocate for social justice for more than 30 years. Described as “one of America’s most committed — and most effective — fighters for human rights” by New York Newsday, and called “one of the high profile leaders of the peace movement” by the Los Angeles Times, Medea was one of 1,000 women from 140 countries nominated to receive the Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of the millions of women who do the essential work of peace-building worldwide. In 2010 she received the Martin Luther King, Jr. Peace Prize from the Fellowship of Reconciliation.

    greta-berlin.jpg
    Greta Berlin – Los Angeles, CA an advocate for justice for the Palestinians since the early 60s.

    hagit-borer.jpg

    Hagit Borer – Los Angeles, CA

    Israeli born, Jewish, Professor of Linguistics at the University of Southern California.

    regina-carey.jpg

    Regina Carey – San Rafael, CA

    She is a co-founder of the Black/Jewish Dialogue Group in Marin County. She has been an active participant in the World Social Forum and the UN Conference Against Racism (Durban SA)

    linda-durham.jpg

    Linda Durham – Santa Fe, NM, 68, Jewish.

    alice-walker.jpg

    Alice Walker – Northern CA, Alice Walker is an internationally celebrated author, poet and activist whose books include seven novels, four collections of short stories, four children’s books, and volumes of essays and poetry. She’s best known for The Color Purple, the 1983 novel for which she won the Pulitzer Prize

    And my own personal favourite,

    hedy-epstein.jpg

    Hedy Epstein – St. Louis, MO Hedy Epstein was born in Germany in 1924. She was 8 years old when Hitler came to power in 1933. In 1939, she left on a Kindertransport (children’s transport) for England. Her parents and other family members perished during the Holocaust.



    Full passenger list here: Full of Jews, Israeli-born, grandmothers and grandfathers. It's a disgrace calling these peace activists terrorists.

    http://ustogaza.org/passengers-on-the-audacity-of-hope/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Yeah it is odd. I think their claim is that those aboard the Audacity of Hope are basically terrorists and if you enable these terrorists in any way - insurance, communications, coast guard etc these Israeli supremacist lawyers are going to come after you.

    Here are some of the terrorists

    nic-abramson.jpg

    Nic Abramson – Woodstock, NY, 69, Jewish peace activist.

    medea-benjamin.jpg

    Medea Benjamin – Washington, DC , She has been an advocate for social justice for more than 30 years. Described as “one of America’s most committed — and most effective — fighters for human rights” by New York Newsday, and called “one of the high profile leaders of the peace movement” by the Los Angeles Times, Medea was one of 1,000 women from 140 countries nominated to receive the Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of the millions of women who do the essential work of peace-building worldwide. In 2010 she received the Martin Luther King, Jr. Peace Prize from the Fellowship of Reconciliation.

    greta-berlin.jpg
    Greta Berlin – Los Angeles, CA an advocate for justice for the Palestinians since the early 60s.

    hagit-borer.jpg

    Hagit Borer – Los Angeles, CA

    Israeli born, Jewish, Professor of Linguistics at the University of Southern California.

    regina-carey.jpg

    Regina Carey – San Rafael, CA

    She is a co-founder of the Black/Jewish Dialogue Group in Marin County. She has been an active participant in the World Social Forum and the UN Conference Against Racism (Durban SA)

    linda-durham.jpg

    Linda Durham – Santa Fe, NM, 68, Jewish.

    alice-walker.jpg

    Alice Walker – Northern CA, Alice Walker is an internationally celebrated author, poet and activist whose books include seven novels, four collections of short stories, four children’s books, and volumes of essays and poetry. She’s best known for The Color Purple, the 1983 novel for which she won the Pulitzer Prize

    And my own personal favourite,

    hedy-epstein.jpg

    Hedy Epstein – St. Louis, MO Hedy Epstein was born in Germany in 1924. She was 8 years old when Hitler came to power in 1933. In 1939, she left on a Kindertransport (children’s transport) for England. Her parents and other family members perished during the Holocaust.



    Full passenger list here: Full of Jews, Israeli-born, grandmothers and grandfathers. It's a disgrace calling these peace activists terrorists.

    http://ustogaza.org/passengers-on-the-audacity-of-hope/

    Nevermind the trigger happy soldiers all too ready to kill or the war mongering politicians who place them in that position, its those crazy peace loving humantarians with a zest for human rights who are the real threat. These are the people we need to watch out for:rolleyes:


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Nevermind the trigger happy soldiers all too ready to kill or the war mongering politicians who place them in that position, its those crazy peace loving humantarians with a zest for human rights who are the real threat. These are the people we need to watch out for:rolleyes:

    Yeah it's equally frustrating and sad for me. These are good people who are literally risking their lives for the rights and wellbeing of others being demonised. I just can't believe that people could be so stupid that they buy into the propoganda so freely. I guarantee you none of those on board are "anti-Israel". I guarantee you that all these "pro-Palestinian"activists are equally pro-Jewish/Israeli human rights while at the same time being anti-Jewish (and all other) supremacism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    95% likely that they did it themselves for publicity and to copperfasten the support of the whole anti-Israel pro-flotilla brigades.

    Fair dues to them, quite a clever move.
    Indeed. If only they could make it look like Israel was treating the Gaza strip as a giant concentration camp for Palestinians...

    What's that? You say that they have? Fair dues to them, clever move.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


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    the captain was imprisoned and is being charged with a felony.

    In the last half hour or so the Canadian ship made a break for it too, was caught and towed back to dock.

    As of the last hour the Capt. of the US ship is now free


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    RedRaven wrote: »
    I wonder who done that then?

    The guys who've been practicing since last year? :)

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