Time for regulation in the Aerial and Dish Business.

St Senan

I posted this over in Terrestrial also http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056315021

Here is a copy of an Email from Saorview many of us installers got today. There is three recognised bodies that installers can register with hopefully now it will sort out the Installers from the Chancers.

To whom it may concern



We are pleased to inform you that SAORVIEW has been in discussions with a number of industry bodies who can provide a self-regulation facility to the installation trade.



These bodies are recognised by SAORVIEW as having a competence in this area and as having a comprehensive process for the vetting and registration of members. These bodies will be referenced on the SAORVIEW website. Therefore you will have an opportunity to have your business listed under a SAORVIEW recognised body.



You are aware from our recent communications that regrettably SAORVIEW have not been in a position to list installers given the lack of industry regulation.



In addition to our existing communications that consumers should seek recommendations from local retailers, neighbours and friends, SAORVIEW will also advise consumers who are seeking an installer, to consider the services of members of one of these bodies.



Our principal objective is to inform the consumer while supporting the installation trade.



We will highlight the above in all of our future communications.



The following industry bodies are recognised by SAORVIEW:



1. Confederation of Aerial Industries Ltd ( CAI)

Communications House

41a Market Street

Watford

Herts

WD18 0PN

United Kingdom

Email: office@cai.org.uk

Phone: 0044 1923 803030

Fax: 004401923 803203

Website: http://www.cai.org.uk



2. Irish Satellite and Aerial Association

ISAA House
Unit 42
Finglas Business Centre
Jamestown Road
Dublin 11

Email : info@isaa.tv

Phone : 086 8832933

Website: http://www.isaa.tv



3. The National Guild of Master Craftsmen

3 Greenmount Lane,

Harold's Cross,

Dublin 12

Email: info@nationalguild.ie
Low Call: 1890 207050
Phone: 01 473 2543
Fax: 01 473 2018

Website: http://www.nationalguild.ie





If you wish to become a member of any of the above please contact the body directly.



Thank you for your patience regarding this matter if you have further queries please contact Ray Maguire @ 01 xxxxxx



Regards,



SAORVIEW

watty

One is in UK,

One is Carpenters and Bricklayers,

I'm biased as I'm writing the Standards for the 3rd one.

cast_iron

watty wrote: »

I'm biased as I'm writing the Standards for the 3rd one.

Just on that, the current link on the ISAA site to the standards states installer will have:

• Health and Safety training.
• Appropriate equipment for the job undertaken.
• Trained in the Installation of Satellite and or Terrestrial reception equipment.

What H&S training is required? Is it just a Safepass?
How does the ISAA verify the installer has the necessary equipment for the job?
Is ISAA training mandatory?


Also, anyone know why The National Guild of Master Craftsmen is included? Seems a bit out of place.

byte

Yeah, curious about that too. Until Saorview.ie mentioned it, I thought the National Guild was only for carpenters, etc.

Interesting to have an aerial rigger classed as a master craftsman though I like it

watty

cast_iron wrote: »

Also, anyone know why The National Guild of Master Craftsmen is included? Seems a bit out of place.

I think RTE for reasons of transparency and not promoting a monopoly needed three organisations.

watty

cast_iron wrote: »

Just on that, the current link on the ISAA site to the standards states installer will have:

• Health and Safety training.
• Appropriate equipment for the job undertaken.
• Trained in the Installation of Satellite and or Terrestrial reception equipment.

What H&S training is required? Is it just a Safepass?
How does the ISAA verify the installer has the necessary equipment for the job?
Is ISAA training mandatory?

Evidence of H&S training for power tools, ladders, working at heights, limit access of children/animals etc.

Installers will be Audited for suitability. They need customer references.

There is an Audit procedure as alternative to the training, eventually passing ISAA exams and practical assessments will be the main route to certification. Obviously the reliable way to pass the exams is the training courses.

There is a member website with password access to coursework. The syllabus is public on the Member website, but has to be discussed with Fetac and City & Guilds who will eventually audit the standard of the training. Some modules will be ISAA specific and others harmonised with existing Fetac modules or City & Guilds (Working at Heights, power tool safety (Fetac), distribution cabling, CATV/MATV systems (C&G) and such).

54kroc

cast_iron wrote: »

What H&S training is required? Is it just a Safepass?

It's been a while since I was on the tools but I had to do a good few courses to apply for and keep various contracts.
health & safety at work, manual handling, working at heights & harness training, occupational first aid and a few others I can't think of.
And you need a safety statement as well.

excollier

can the training and exam be taken without being actually in business?

watty

I'd think so. But to actually be Approved as Installer member you need Public Liability Insurance and the business registered (doesn't need to be a Company) and the Garda check.

If you are working FOR someone, then you need to prove they have Public Liability Insurance and a registered business. Also the Garda check.

If you do the training and pass the practical assessments AND exam (passes in each section needed) you would then get a copy of record of that (a course certificate) and at a later stage get actual "Installer Approval".

There will be courses beyond the basic needed, and possibly associated "more exalted" Membership categories. This has to be all discussed.

It's like Memberships or licences of other things. There is more than one route, and exams can be taken and things applied for later (In Amateur Radio an exam passed 30 years ago could be fine to get a Licence. You can get an Irish driving licence because you got one in UK etc).

There should probably be some sort of Associate Member status for people who want it on their CV etc to apply for job with a Company.

St Senan

watty wrote: »

But to actually be Approved as Installer member you need Public Liability Insurance and the business registered (doesn't need to be a Company) and the Garda check.

If you are working FOR someone, then you need to prove they have Public Liability Insurance and a registered business. Also the Garda check.
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This is the only way forward and to cut out all the Jack of all trades Bob the builder types.

excollier

I agree, and would love to get back into business, but full time this time......if only..

Tony

Categorising the master craftsmen (which is a commercial company) as approved installers is a monumentally stupid decision by RTE.