is this a scam or not

roy rodgers

Just try to sell a sofa on buy and sell, and I got this reply ture my e-mail today. To me is very very fishy but I taught I'd share with you to see what ye might think.... scam or no scam...


Thanks for the prompt response.. I am ready to buy it now for my son and i am not in town at the moment as i am a Military been in camp in for some time and due to the nature of my work, It hard to make a phone calls and visiting of website are restricted but i squeezed out time to check this advert and send you an email regarding it. I insisted on PayPal because i don't have access to my bank account online as i don't have internet banking, but i can pay from my PayPal account, as i have my bank a/c attached to it, i will need you to give me your PayPal email address and the price so i can make the payment asap for it and please if you don't have PayPal account yet, it is very easy to set up, go to www.paypal.com and get it set up, after you have set it up i will only need the e-mail address you use for registration with PayPal so as to put the money through. I have a pick up agent that will come and pick i after i have made the payments.I hope to read back from you soon

Micky Dolenz

yes, it's a scam.

mahamageehad

Sounds legit!

Biggins

Scam.

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=55814

Wetai

Why wouldn't they be able to access online banking, but paypal, anyways?
It's likely a paypal chargeback scam

Good place to ask/find out about these scams: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=583

michael999999

Roy it looks like hes trying to Rodger you!

The High King

Doesn't look like a scam to me. Go for it.

Alter-Ego

What's the sofa like?

Ghandee

If you havent been scammed by them yet,
I say sofa, so good!

Just send him the monies!

Atlantic Dawn

Is your sofa made of Ivory? If it is then it's unlikely to be a scam as they go made for this stuff.

Biggins

Scam:

* http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-281-673-3247/6

* http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1000804

* https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Receiving-money/Selling-a-car-with-Paypal-Payment/td-p/143297/page/2

* http://www.rumblebee.org/viewtopic.php?p=527915&sid=4e92cdf706bc9093fe97e21a3929e3d7

* http://forums.mxtrax.co.uk/showthread.php?t=297358

Seriously - don't touch with a barge pole.
Its been reported too many times for too many items.

And another Paypal section: https://www.paypal-community.com/t5/Fraud-phishing-and-spoof/Fraud-Examples/td-p/271370/page/22

freeze4real

Ghandee wrote: »

If you havent been scammed by them yet,
I say sofa, so good!

Just send him the monies!

let say the guy was from ireland.. and you sent him the money through your bank and it turns out to be a scam what happens..

could you get your money back ?

JDxtra

Nope. Not a chance in hell.

AckwelFoley

Your reply.

Hi Commando fantastic.

In my world this is how we do the deal. You, get a trailer, and bring it to the collection point, in this case, my house. You pick up the sofa right after you give me whats called Money. It comes in paper form and sometimes the lower values are in a metallic disc shape, referred to as coins. I receive them from the one collecting the sofa... i have money - you have sofa.

Many years happy shagging

PS. Baby wipes are decent from removing spunk off the leather. Worked for me

roy rodgers

Thanks for that lads just beening reading the forum from scamwarners and some of them scams are word for word:eek::eek:

It goes to show ya, ya can't trust anything.

I wonder could I have a bit of fun with this:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:maybe I'll tell him he can have it for free and see what he says then:D

zeds alive

I caught a guy out trying this before when I sold a iphone on ebay , Set up 2 paypal accounts , receive money in account 1 and transfer to account 2 , when he tries do a charge back he will get shafted as account 1 is empty.

robbie_998

this may be a dull one

but if you set up a new email address (fake clearly) and set up a (fake) paypal account and actually got him to send money to you then whats the problem ?

like is this just a scam to get you on paypal ?

this is confusing me

i dont see a point to this scam

zeds alive

He pays you and then does a charge back , i.e item not as described , fake goods etc etc , paypal refund him , he's got your goods and his cash back.

robbie_998 wrote: »

i dont see a point to this scam

freeze4real

am not sure if i can post this but this sucker tried to scam me. infact he lives in ireland...

• Confirmation of an Instant Gift Payment Received from Michael Coal(michaelcoal13@yahoo.ie)‏

26/06/2011
Reply ▼

Subject: Re: Confirmation of an Instant Gift Payment Received from Michael Coal (michaelcoal13@yahoo.ie)





On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:48 PM, service paypal.com
<support@paypalpayment.info> wrote:



Protect Your Password You should never give your PayPal password to anyone,
including PayPal employees.


Dear xxxxx

This email confirms that you have received a payment of €370.00 from Michael
Coal using PayPal.


View the "NOTE" of this pending transaction below
________________________________


Payment Details



Transaction ID: 0CP35036HW153811J




Item Title: I phone 4 Quantity: 1
Price: €370 Subtotal: €370


Goods 1
€370.00 EUR €370.00 EUR









Postage & Packing via Mail Delivery: €00.00 EUR



Total: €370.00 EUR








The payment will fully clear in your account and appear in the Recent
Activity list on your Account Overview only when you post the goods to
the given name and address of the buyer and email us the proof of
postage for confirmation.


Shipping Information

Name: Michael Coal



Address Status: Confirmed

If you have questions about the payment, please contact the buyer
michaelcoal13@yahoo.ie or you reply directly to this payment notification for
quick attention.

This payment from "Michael Coal" has been APPROVED but the funds can only be
credited into your account immediately when we have confirmed that you have
shipped the Item to the Buyer's confirmed address.
We therefore implore you to dispatch the item and provide the customer care
unit at support@paypalpayment.info with an evidence of (Postage Receipt or
Tracking number and the Courier
Service used). Then you will then be sent a URL that will link you into
your account. This is to secure both the Buyer and the Seller. Sorry for any
inconveniences.

**PLEASE NOTE**
Once the shipment is confirmed, your funds will become operational in your
account and you will receive a " CONFIRMATION "email from PayPal informing you
that the Money has been credited.
Thank you for using PayPal!
The PayPal team


Your monthly account statement is available anytime; just log in to your
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through our Help Center Email.

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PayPal Email ID PP1525

robbie_998

zeds alive wrote: »

He pays you and then does a charge back , i.e item not as described , fake goods etc etc , paypal refund him , he's got your goods and his cash back.

oh right... im a bit unfamiliar with paypal and didn't know you could do that.

cheers.

two paypal accounts sounds like fun for transfers as just said above !

Biggins

robbie_998 wrote: »

...i dont see a point to this scam

There is usually a second letter follow-up to the first contact also sometimes.

The second one goes like the following:

"Hello,
I was just about to pay when i had this problem with the pick up, my
pick up agent says i will need to pay for the pick up before they can
schedule a pick up time, they charged me $600 for pick up and
delivery, and payments for pick up made through them is made to their
corporate international headquarters which is in the state and the
payments is made through western union money transfer, i will add the
$600 to the money i will send through paypal as soon as i have made
the payments, i will email you and let you know and please i will need
you to help me send the money to my pick up agent through western
union money transfer, this can be done from any post office ,there is
always western union money transfer section in most post offices(you
can do it online as well at www.westernunion.com)*..., i would have
done it myself but we cant bring some of our personal effects along, i
am a little incapacitated.....I will appreciate your help here.

Hope to read back from you soon.

* A supposed genuine link is provided too.

freeze4real

As the main point here is with paypal what if this is done through the bank.

let says i sent a certain amount of cash from BOI - BOI. and it turns out to be dodgy.

what are the odds of getting your money back ?

I love informative threads like these.

AckwelFoley

freeze4real wrote: »

As the main point here is with paypal what if this is done through the bank.

let says i sent a certain amount of cash from BOI - BOI. and it turns out to be dodgy.

what are the odds of getting your money back ?

I love informative threads like these.

If you lodge your money across the counter in the Bank of Ireland, or any irish bank for that matter, your chances of getting your money back are getting slimmer by the day.

Soon, Bank of Nigeria wont look like such a bad option

the groutch

some basic maths:

PAYPAL + COLLECTION = SCAM

joseph brand

Buyer has lovely English. Obviously lives in Leitrim, local man.

Solair

Well, first of all the e-mail doesn't even make any sense. I'd be afraid to give someone like that the address to pick up the sofa, never mind payment details!

If you want to receive money electronically, the safest way to do it is to have a second current account e.g. many people will have an account they don't use e.g. an old student account or something like that.

Ask the purchaser to transfer money into that account, then immediately transfer it into your own normal accounts.

Basically, it's just means your active current account details (and wages) never fall into the wrong hands.

PayPal's OK, if you're pretty sure the person's legitimate and not likely to do charge-backs for no valid reason.

Alternatively, payment by draft / cheque and delivery on clearance of funds in the bank.

Or, of course, cash (but check it's not fake too!)
http://www.ecb.int/euro/banknotes/security/html/index.en.html


Also, be very careful if you're buying items online, there have been some nasty attacks on people who have turned up with cash to meet a seller.

That's why I would recommend finding an electronic solution.

freeze4real

Solair wrote: »

Ask the purchaser to transfer money into that account, then immediately transfer it into your own normal accounts.

Basically, it's just means your active current account details (and wages) never fall into the wrong hands.

That's why I would recommend finding an electronic solution.

in this case the seller is at no risk.... but how can the buyer protect himself in this instance ?

Solair

freeze4real wrote: »

in this case the seller is at no risk.... but how can the buyer protect himself in this instance ?

I'm speaking from the point of view of the sofa seller

From the buyer's point of view, the only thing you can really do is have a paper trail / electronic and the seller's address.

If they don't supply the goods - Small Claims Court.

You can never really be 100% sure if it's a "distance selling" thing and you're expecting delivery of the goods.

There still has to be an element of trust. That's basically how all business works.

roy rodgers

Scam a scam artist, sounds good.:D

So having two separate accounts on Pay Pal would work?:rolleyes:
But I doubt any money would be sent, I say it will be more down the lines will you send 50 euro so my agent can come and get it and I will repay you through your Pay Pal account!!

Yeah right..

Logical Fallacy

You do realise if you are trying to sell a second hand sofa you are bound as a matter of honour to say if anyone has ever screwed on it, right?

freeze4real

Solair wrote: »

I'm speaking from the point of view of the sofa seller

From the buyer's point of view, the only thing you can really do is have a paper trail / electronic and the seller's address.

If they don't supply the goods - Small Claims Court.

You can never really be 100% sure if it's a "distance selling" thing and you're expecting delivery of the goods.

There still has to be an element of trust. That's basically how all business works.

small claims court..... i never knew they could be involved i'm guesing it could be a lengthy procedure

double GG

€10 offered.

roy rodgers

double GG wrote: »

€10 offered.

sold. whats your bank account number??:D