Iv always wondered

bubbleking

If a long free kick is just about to drop over the bar why dont 2 defenders lift the gaol keeper like a lineout in rugby - could be the difference between winning and losing a game?

Colm R

Interesting idea. But...

- is it too dangerous.

- if the keeper fails to hold the ball, then the two defenders are not in a good position to clear the ball with forwards coming in.

- in rugby its important to lift the player in a lineout. But when you do that, you also have the responsibility of bringing the player back down safely. This is where it can go horribly wrong.

InchicoreDude

Pretty sure I heard before that its against the rules

theoneeyedman

pretty sure i heard of this happening in a championship game in leitrim some years ago......think the 'Willies' were involved.......might have been bull**** story but pretty sure i heard it told as true

TheMilkyPirate

Reminds of a story my grandfather always told me that happened years ago up in wexford park, Wing forward was taking a free and all the wexford players climbed up on the goalposts and stood hand in hand across it!

padd b1975

Colm R wrote: »

Interesting idea. But...

- is it too dangerous.

- if the keeper fails to hold the ball, then the two defenders are not in a good position to clear the ball with forwards coming in.

- in rugby its important to lift the player in a lineout. But when you do that, you also have the responsibility of bringing the player back down safely. This is where it can go horribly wrong.

Also in rugby the opposition are obliged to allow the player down safely. I agree with your point, such a play is way to dangerous to be tried in open play. A line out is a set piece.

Mountainlad

baraca wrote: »

Reminds of a story my grandfather always told me that happened years ago up in wexford park, Wing forward was taking a free and all the wexford players climbed up on the goalposts and stood hand in hand across it!

Well that sounds unlikely, how would they keep their balance. I'm afraid that this would be both very difficult to do and the margin of risk is far to great, be it in terms of potential for an injury or a goal resulting.

tossy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Well that sounds unlikely, how would they keep their balance. I'm afraid that this would be both very difficult to do and the margin of risk is far to great, be it in terms of potential for an injury or a goal resulting.

I love when internet people take internet stuff so seriously

Its a cool story his grand dad told him,as with most grand dad stories there is no doubt a little bit of truth and a little bit added :rolleyes:

Hammer Archer

I seem to remember reading about something similar to what baraca mentioned in a programme a few years ago. They used to do interesting facts in the programmes for the All Ireland qualifiers for a good few years and I'm pretty sure something like this did actually happen ages ago. Something like the opposing team were a point behind in the final minute and got a scoreable free.
I'm off to root through my programme collection

ArmaniJeanss

Interesting idea - I had a look at a pdf of the rules and I don't see anything specifically against it though it may fall under a catch-all 'dangerous play' rule. Would love to see it tried in a high profile game.

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As an alternative, has any team ever placed one or two defenders on the crossbar, probably sitting I guess? Lets say the scores are level in injury time and we are defending a freekick from 40/50 metres (or any distance we've indentified as at the limit of the kickers range, if he gets it it'll only clear the bar by a few feet).

So either he goes for the point and one of the defenders on the crossbar can punch it clear, or else we get a 'lighthouse effect' - he realises he can't beat the defenders on the bar and drops the kick in short which is a good result for us.

This ever been tried?

Mountainlad

tossy wrote: »

I love when internet people take internet stuff so seriously

Its a cool story his grand dad told him,as with most grand dad stories there is no doubt a little bit of truth and a little bit added :rolleyes:

The second sentence was about what the OP said

tossy

Mountainlad wrote: »

The second sentence was about what the OP said

Fair enough,i thought it was all in answer to baracas post.

Mountainlad

I can see why. Usually I'd take more care. Must be tiredness seeping in

Cill Dara Abu

bubbleking wrote: »

If a long free kick is just about to drop over the bar why dont 2 defenders lift the gaol keeper like a lineout in rugby - could be the difference between winning and losing a game?

Haha this made me laugh i've always thought this aswel:D

Also I wonder if a team is say 2 points up with 10 mins left why dont the just put 15 players on the line, it would be impossible for a team to get a goal, now that I thought of it maybe they would just kick 3 points:rolleyes:

Its been a long day...

Would be worth a try in a soccer match though.

TheMilkyPirate

Mountainlad wrote: »

Well that sounds unlikely, how would they keep their balance. I'm afraid that this would be both very difficult to do and the margin of risk is far to great, be it in terms of potential for an injury or a goal resulting.

Bearing in mind this was the 1920s people used to sit on the roof of croke park and watch games so i doubt their was much concern over a few lads standing on a crossbar, It probably didn't go down exactly as i mentioned but something like that did happen as another poster said i've seen it mentioned a few places before including programmes.

castletownman

Because rugby is a sport for mullakers, GAA is a sport for athletes

ormond lad

castletownman wrote: »

Because rugby is a sport for mullakers, GAA is a sport for athletes

:rolleyes: and there is no "mullakers" in GAA

decisions

I didnt think you were aloud block points.

NufcNavan

castletownman wrote: »

Because rugby is a sport for mullakers, GAA is a sport for athletes

LOL :rolleyes:

Fandango

I presume the danger element has to come into it. In Rugby, line-outs take place away from the posts. I would think it would be far too dangerous to hold someone in the air so close to the goals. Firstly as being lifted creates alot more upwards force. If a keeper jumps and hits his head off the crossbar, he will have quite a bump. If he is being lifted by 2 defenders, he could be knocked out. Also, if he lost balance and fell head first against the post it could be very serious.

I did think before about the 15 men on the line. I suppose the freetaker could take a short one and they end up with a point blank shot but surprised its never been tried

Saint_Mel

bubbleking wrote: »

If a long free kick is just about to drop over the bar why dont 2 defenders lift the gaol keeper like a lineout in rugby - could be the difference between winning and losing a game?

We have Gary Connaughton for that

bubbleking

Also why dont the 2 wing forwards lift the midfielder for a kickout? since possession from kickouts is so vital this could be a good way top ensure you win more

Clareman

As a former Rugby player, Hurler and Gaelic Footballer I can assure you that rugby isn't a game only for mullakers.

The problems I would see with lifting a player above the cross bar would be getting them down quickly again, once the ball is in the square you can contest for it. Another problem would be, where to position the "liftee", the ball can move a lot in flight. Teams used to lift players in rugby to try to stop the ball crossing the line, this was outlawed however.

Rugby players spend a lot of time practising, and training for, lifting people, it's not as easy as it looks, not everyone is as good as the Bull in getting people up in the air, at the end of a long match I would feel sorry for any players having to get another player up in the air.