screwed AFTER the competition

xgtdec

Lads

just looking for some advice after my club in my opinion screwed me!!

So last sunday 19/06 i play in a single s/ford competition and came in with a score of 40 points, i was happy and css for the day was 36 so i got cut which made me happier as im heading the right direction, i was in with a shout of the overall....but sadly missed it by a point:(

On Friday 24/06 i was up in the club and the competition results were up and i had won class 3, so i won my class...took my cut of 1.6, and gain a few valuable player of the year points to boot..happy days!!

Yesterday(sunday 26/06) i played again, not a winner this week unfortunately, and as i walked to the bar i saw another results shhet from the competition on the 19th, the club had decided that they didnt have enough players to do 3 classes so they changed the results to only have a 1st and 2nd with no classes, this was AFTER publishing results awarding me class 3.

So i stiil take my cut(obviously;)) but i dont get any prize or player of the year points because the club decided they didnt like the way they would have to pay out.....have i any leg to stand on or do i just take the cut and get on with it??

staker

Jeebus I'd be peeved at that too tbh. To post a cat 3 result sheet and to renege on prize-giving stinks of "oh crap is that all there is in the kitty!" to me.

xgtdec

staker wrote: »

Jeebus I'd be peeved at that too tbh. To post a cat 3 result sheet and to renege on prize-giving stinks of "oh crap is that all there is in the kitty!" to me.

thats EXACTLY it!!!, but is there anything i can do? are they breaking any rules? do you have to state the prize classes before the competition...

staker

But surely you couldn't post the prize categories beforehand as how are the player numbers to be known?

xgtdec

indeed i understand that logic.......but its a bit much to hit 40 points....win your class and then get told to get lost for a prize but take the cut anyway....im all for getting cut, in fact i love getting cut...but theres gotta be some reward no?

golfwallah

Wouldn't happen at our club, where member satisfaction and retention are our number one priority, particularly in these economic times.
Once results are published, it's well established by custom and practice in most clubs that they should stay "as is". The mistake was the club's and members should not have to pay for it.
Sometimes clubs forget that members are their best customers but competitions are run by volunteers, who sometimes make mistakes.
Nothing like a bit of feedback when things go wrong, so my advice is to drop a few lines to your club Hon. Secretary, setting out how you feel on the matter.
Best of luck!:)

Jasonw

xgtdec wrote: »

but theres gotta be some reward no?

No.

You're not entitled to a prize for getting cut, the satisifaction should be reward enough

Clubs have budgets and although they should have checked how many prizes they could afford before publishing results, competition secretaries are human too and make mistakes from time to time :eek: . It's a tough, thankless and time consuming job, especially if your club runs a lot of competitions. Plus, this is a busy time of year at most clubs.

So, spare a thought for your poor overworked competition secretary and instead of giving him an ear-bashing next time you see him, shake his hand and tell him what a great job he's doing for the club.:)

xgtdec

Jasonw wrote: »

So, spare a thought for your poor overworked competition secretary and instead of giving him an ear-bashing next time you see him, shake his hand and tell him what a great job he's doing for the club.:)

have a day off will ya...if he wasnt doing it some other sucker would be;)

Villain

Jasonw wrote: »

No.

You're not entitled to a prize for getting cut, the satisifaction should be reward enough

Clubs have budgets and although they should have checked how many prizes they could afford before publishing results, competition secretaries are human too and make mistakes from time to time :eek: . It's a tough, thankless and time consuming job, especially if your club runs a lot of competitions. Plus, this is a busy time of year at most clubs.

So, spare a thought for your poor overworked competition secretary and instead of giving him an ear-bashing next time you see him, shake his hand and tell him what a great job he's doing for the club.:)

You know in my opinion most people on golf committees love what they do and most clubs have people who would love to be involved, being a volunteer doesn't exclude you from mistakes or been told of them. If your not up to the job there is usually loads of people capable and willing

Osgoodisgood

xgtdec wrote: »

have a day off will ya...if he wasnt doing it some other sucker would be;)

quite right.

maybe you?

Jasonw

Villain wrote: »

You know in my opinion most people on golf committees love what they do and most clubs have people who would love to be involved, being a volunteer doesn't exclude you from mistakes or been told of them. If your not up to the job there is usually loads of people capable and willing

:D:D

Is that how you justify not getting involved to yourself?
There may well be some of those people, but many are there through a sense of duty. They do their couple of years service and can then go back to enjoying their golf safe in the knowledge that they have done their bit for the club.
I find that the most frequent complainants are the guys who never have and never will serve on a committee. On the other hand, you would never hear critical comments from an ex-committee member.

xgtdec

Jasonw wrote: »

:D:D


I find that the most frequent complainants are the guys who never have and never will serve on a committee. On the other hand, you would never hear critical comments from an ex-committee member.

I'm an ex-handicap sec, competition sec and Hon Sec with 6 years of committee service for my club, and the same with 2 years as Captain and 2 years as pres of my society....i think my dues are paid:p

kyleman

xgtdec wrote: »

I'm an ex-handicap sec, competition sec and Hon Sec with 6 years of committee service for my club, and the same with 2 years as Captain and 2 years as pres of my society....i think my dues are paid:p

If as you say you were all of the above you must know the answer to your original question..

xgtdec

kyleman wrote: »

If as you say you were all of the above you must know the answer to your original question..

Naturally i do, you see when your on a committee of a golf club or society they bring you down to the GUI and have you fitted with a chip that contains all golfing rules and regulations, the chip is also wireless so you can receive updates and scan the database while talking to a member so you save face by not looking like you dont know the answer, its a great invention by the GUI but alas they left out the "screwed out of a prize" section which is where i was found wanting, not to worry though...i have my appointment made to head to the lab in carton house and have my chip looked at...ill get back to you as soon as i can!!

kyleman

Maybe your comp secretary was as you said earlier just a sucker and the GUI didnt bother to chip him

davo10

xgtdec wrote: »

I'm an ex-handicap sec, competition sec and Hon Sec with 6 years of committee service for my club, and the same with 2 years as Captain and 2 years as pres of my society....i think my dues are paid:p

If this is true and I have my doubts, you would have easy access to the comp secretary and committee and would have had a quiet word about this with them. Also people who are selected for commities tend to be dedicated and highly thought of in the club, i cannot see any of them posting something like this on a discussion forum, it would go against the grain.

If you were actually what you claim to be, you would understand more the most the financial situation which many clubs are now in, commitee members get to see the accounts and are at the forefront of sponcorship gathering and competition organization. You would have come across similar situations during your tenure and know that sometimes decisions have to be made. Is giving class prizes on days when only a few golfers play feasible?, there should be a quota of players in each class which must be reached before you have seperate comps for each class.

Lastly, if you were indeed all of the above, I am not sure you would be asking "do I have a leg to stand on?" as being a former competition secretary you more than likely would have had to deal with situations like this during your term.

Villain

Jasonw wrote: »

:D:D

Is that how you justify not getting involved to yourself?
There may well be some of those people, but many are there through a sense of duty. They do their couple of years service and can then go back to enjoying their golf safe in the knowledge that they have done their bit for the club.
I find that the most frequent complainants are the guys who never have and never will serve on a committee. On the other hand, you would never hear critical comments from an ex-committee member.

LOL I love when people make assumptions, I'm only a member of my new club a year but I have been donating my time and skills to look after their computer systems for the past three years. Imagine that helping before I was even a member, but you work away with your assumptions.;) :cool:

davo10

Villain wrote: »

LOL I love when people make assumptions, I'm only a member of my new club a year but I have been donating my time and skills to look after their computer systems for the past three years. Imagine that helping before I was even a member, but you work away with your assumptions.;) :cool:

Villain, members like you are the heroes of every golf club, people who donate their time and expertise and expect nothing in return, fair play. Can I ask you, given your experience and commitment, if the computer went down would you come on here asking if you had a leg to stand on when complaining to the club?, kind of like and ex comp secretary complaining about a comp secretary and asking what his rights are, doesn't sound right does it?

xgtdec

davo10 wrote: »

Lastly, if you were indeed all of the above, I am not sure you would be asking "do I have a leg to stand on?" as being a former competition secretary you more than likely would have had to deal with situations like this during your term.

Indeed i did at the time, and in reality a lot a things far more worthy of a boards post;), i remember nearly seperating 2 players on the 18th in a match over whose putt it was....tape measure was got out and there was 4mm in the differance...2 men involved still not talking;)gentlemen indeed!!

I suppose i have the hump because the results were printed and then retracted, if they just printed the results with 1st and 2nd i wouldnt have an issue.....and before you ask..no...i certainly would not have made the same mistake:p

Garda S Horgan

xgtdec wrote: »

Indeed i did at the time, and in reality a lot a things far more worthy of a boards post;), i remember nearly seperating 2 players on the 18th in a match over whose putt it was....tape measure was got out and there was 4mm in the differance...2 men involved still not talking;)gentlemen indeed!!

I suppose i have the hump because the results were printed and then retracted, if they just printed the results with 1st and 2nd i wouldnt have an issue.....and before you ask..no...i certainly would not have made the same mistake:p

Personally I think you should let it go, as a mistake on the part of the club of which you are a member and should support and understand.
I'm sure they didn't do this on purpose to annoy people.

To be honest, it's no different than having a full sheet on saturday and seeing prizes for the first 5 and then having a full sheet on the following friday and having 3 prizes.
There is no reward for getting cut. Somedays 40 will win. Somedays 40 will get nowhere. Somedays there will be 5 prizes, some 2. Some days the first prize will be a 45 euro voucher, some days 30 euro.

I've been involved in a spring league where they changed the number of prizes after a couple of weeks.
I've also been involved in a spring league where it was bet 5 of 6 and ended up being best 2 or 6, even though I got out 4 times. In my view, that was also wrong, but these things happen from time to time.
Someone made a mistake and put up to many prizes.
It's better to withdraw it than to end up having to drop prizes from other competitions to make it up.
Congrats on getting cut though. 40 points is good going.

Yours etc,
GSH.