Combining SAT and TV into one "drop cable"

aubhall

Combining SAT and TV into one "drop cable" seems to be possible from my research but has anyone tested FTA and Saorview signal on one cable and what kit did you use?

Where I am coming from.
Atempting to combine soarview and fta for parents using current inhouse cable cabling.

PressTheButton

aubhall wrote: »

Combining SAT and TV into one "drop cable" seems to be possible from my research but has anyone tested FTA and Saorview signal on one cable and what kit did you use?...

http://www.tvtrade.ie/alltrade-tv-aerial-and-satellite-combiner.html

Click on the video tab for 'how to' connect.

Edit 25 Jun 2011 @ 01:05 - Added YouTube link to 'Satellite/TV combiner' video:

http://www.youtube.com/user/tvtradedave#p/u/17/_vgePlGKvE0

PressTheButton

aubhall wrote: »

...Atempting to combine soarview and fta for parents using current inhouse cable cabling.

You may have to upgrade existing cable to satellite grade coaxial cable:

http://www.satellite.ie/acatalog/Cables__Switches_and_Tools.html

http://www.tvtrade.ie/cables-and-leads/satellite-cable.html

Vince Cable

PressTheButton wrote: »

Click on the video tab for 'how to' connect.

Don't forget to tighten your f-connectors properly, with a spanner (unlike tvtrade guy).
Those 'instructional' videos on his site are pretty poor imo.

PressTheButton

Vince Cable wrote: »

Don't forget to tighten your f-connectors properly, with a spanner (unlike tvtrade guy).
Those 'instructional' videos on his site are pretty poor imo.

A bit harsh - video in question (I haven't viewed all of them) I'm sure was made in good faith and intended to be but a quick demonstration, not a masterclass.

Vince Cable

Leaving connections hand-tight is a basic error (he does it in all the videos involving f-connectors afaics).

The one about masthead amps will show you his level of technical knowledge; in that particular case he should just show how it's fitted rather than attempt to explain how it works.

Nothing harsh about it.

PressTheButton

PressTheButton wrote: »

A bit harsh - video in question (I haven't viewed all of them) I'm sure was made in good faith and intended to be but a quick demonstration, not a masterclass.

Vince Cable wrote: »

Don't forget to tighten your f-connectors properly, with a spanner (unlike tvtrade guy).
Those 'instructional' videos on his site are pretty poor imo.

A bit harsh Pedantic - video in question (I haven't viewed all of them) I'm sure was made in good faith and intended to be but a quick demonstration, not a masterclass.

To be fair to you Vince, loose F connectors can and do indeed cause problems. Tighten to what extent though? One answer.

To be fair to video, quote from TV Trade demonstrator (0:54):

"Ill just quickly go through with you the assembly..."

Peace to all underwhelmed by this video and hope it is of some help to OP and others.

Vince Cable

PressTheButton wrote: »

. . . loose F connectors can and do indeed cause problems. Tighten to what extent though?

Interesting link, I generally try to tighten them just past the point where I can loosen them with my fingers, not being in possession of a suitably small torque wrench.

Frisian

If it's more than two rooms you're feeding go with a multiswitch and one (or more) quattro lnb's + Sat IF UHF VHF Outlets.
Look also here.

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moro_original

Anyone who doesn't use a torque wrench to tighten their F-type connectors to at least 2.25 Nm really needs to stop and think. It makes me sad to think of all those loose connectors out there, functioning perfectly but being nonetheless slightly less tight than they could be.

PressTheButton

moro_original wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't use a torque wrench to tighten their F-type connectors to at least 2.25 Nm really needs to stop and think. It makes me sad to think of all those loose connectors out there, functioning perfectly but being nonetheless slightly less tight than they could be.

:eek:

paulcdub85

moro_original wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't use a torque wrench to tighten their F-type connectors to at least 2.25 Nm really needs to stop and think. It makes me sad to think of all those loose connectors out there, functioning perfectly but being nonetheless slightly less tight than they could be.

pmsl

pelisor2000

aubhall wrote: »

Combining SAT and TV into one "drop cable" seems to be possible from my research but has anyone tested FTA and Saorview signal on one cable and what kit did you use?

Where I am coming from.
Atempting to combine soarview and fta for parents using current inhouse cable cabling.

SatWorld.ie sell combiners
1sat +1 ter 1 out mix
2sat +1 ter.. 2out mix
4sat +1 ter 4 out mix

Tony

A torque wrench to tighten F connectors ? please tell me this is wind up ?

AstralTV

true,

http://www.tecratools.com/pages/av/38320.html

ISAA

AstralTV wrote: »

true,

http://www.tecratools.com/pages/av/38320.html

Another one for our STANDARDS.

PressTheButton

ISAA wrote: »

Another one for our STANDARDS.

Surely all ISAA approved installers adhere to the same standards.

AstralTV

PressTheButton wrote: »

Surely all ISAA approved installers adhere to the same standards.

they do, and if the standard can be improved by use of new tools or methods it will be,

PressTheButton

AstralTV wrote: »

they do, and if the standard can be improved by use of new tools or methods it will be,

As one would expect. No need for snipers then to publicly belittle a particular ISAA member for failing to adhere to the undoubted high standards of your association.

Tony

Thought this meant it was said in jest.

John mac

connectorization at the F-connector interface

what torque pressure is correct?

Peter Rhea

Vince Cable wrote: »

I generally try to tighten them just past the point where I can loosen them with my fingers, not being in possession of a suitably small torque wrench.

The small plastic box-spanners that come with some diplexers & amps etc. seem to do a good enough job without over tightening (it's not really possible due to their size & construction, seems to effectively limit the torque that can be applied).

moro_original

John mac wrote: »

what torque pressure is correct?

2.25 Nm

Anything else is wrong. So many connectors, connectorised to the wrong torque. It doesn't bear thinking about.

Tony

I see many sleepless nights ahead

PressTheButton

John mac wrote: »

what torque pressure is correct?

Already provided a link to interesting answer (by Ron Hanrac, Technical Leader, Cisco Systems) to this question, but here it is again for those who missed it:

http://www.cable360.net/ct/sections/columns/broadband/39720.html

'Bottom line' (summarised):

• We may have been overtightening F connectors, both indoors and outdoors. Well, except for those that weren’t tightened enough in the first place.
• Connector tightening torque shouldn’t exceed about 1.13 Nm (10 inch-pounds), but definitely needs to be greater than finger tight.
• Outdoor connectors shouldn’t be tightened as much as previously thought acceptable.
• Values in the 0.56Nm - 1.24 Nm (5 to 11 inch-pounds) range appear to be about ideal for most applications.
• Consult with the manufacturer(s) of F connectors and see what tightening torque value is recommended.
• Anybody currently using torque wrenches that are set for 2.26 Nm - 3.39 Nm (20 inch-pounds to 30 inch-pounds) should consider resetting to a lower value.
• If you’re not using torque wrenches — and some will argue that using a torque wrench doesn’t always provide consistent torque — how are you ensuring at least reasonably proper connector tightening torque?
• If connectors are too loose, leakage, ingress, and possibly micro-reflections crop up.
• Too tight may mean connector and/or mating interface damage and possibly an increase in leakage and ingress.

Bottom, bottom line:

Not too tight Moro!

Mexecutioner

moro_original wrote: »

....So many connectors, connectorised to the wrong torque. It doesn't bear thinking about.

Just because you don't (appear to) understand a seemingly trivial (to you) technical issue, it doesn't follow that there are no important implications for the systems involved.

moro_original

PressTheButton wrote: »

Bottom, bottom line:

Not too tight Moro!

I stand corrected, 1.13 Nm is indeed the torque of kings!


It occurs to me, I have a similar problem with my bottle of Football Special. If I tighten the thread too loose, the fizz gets out. Likewise, if I tighten it too much, I cannot enjoy delicious Football Special.

What is the correct, McDaid's approved torque for Football Special?

PressTheButton

As per above:

Consult with the manufacturer...

Liameter

"How tight?" is really impossible to answer in specific terms of torque because it depends on several factors including thread manufacturing tolerances, plating type and thickness and whether grease is applied.

See http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/fconn.htm#tight

Unless these factors are controlled (i.e. by using a specific manufacturer's plug and socket) then only a very wide range of possible torques can be suggested.

I came across a particularly good example when fitting cables to a masthead amplifier made by "Vision". The male connector threads were gold plated and it was quite impossible to run the nut of the 'F' plug on by hand. Even with the supplied plastic tool, and grease applied, it wasn't easy.

theoneeyedman

moro_original wrote: »

John mac wrote: »

what torque pressure is correct?

2.25 Nm

Anything else is wrong. So many connectors, connectorised to the wrong torque. It doesn't bear thinking about.

Please please, won't someone think of the children!!!!

MrSneeg

that satcure article is from 2007 ! (and very poor)
cheap screw on f conns are useless, bad threads, fall apart etc,
Use snap and seal or compression, no grease, no almalgy, no hanging from a ladder trying to heat shrink stuff.