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Educational Attainment in Loyalist Areas

  • 22-06-2011 11:16pm
    #1
    doopa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭


    Given the recent violence and the incoherence of the loyalist community leaders on the box I can't be too surprised by the following stats:
    bbc wrote:
    He also cited a Northern Ireland statistic which attributes a 24% success rate in attaining GCSE maths in disadvantaged Catholic areas, compared to 4.4% success rate in similar Protestant areas.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/northern_ireland/newsid_9496000/9496926.stm

    Can't imagine employment stats are much better. Anyway - is the educational attainment rate to blame at least in part? (seriously - 5% passing GCSE maths)

    I think the larger unionist vote needs to take a serious look at what its doing in loyalist areas.


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  • #2
    problemchimp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭problemchimp


    Maybe they should bite the bullet (pardon the pun) and start voting Sinn Fein. While Shinners were in prison they read books on political philosophy and such like instead of pumping iron and comparing tatoos.


  • #3
    Jelle1880
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    Notice that he's talking about 'similar areas'.

    This doesn't mean that Loyalists in general have worse results in education, but mostly those in impoverished or disadvantaged areas.


  • #4
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    Its 4.4% attaining GCSE maths, not passing. Not to be pedantic but it read like the schools had a 95% fail rate :p Probably just means fewer people in Protestant areas are attempting GCSE math

    I think these kind of statistics need to be looked into. Be it Protestant males, white males, black females etc, if a glaring statistic like this comes out where there is a huge discrepancy ie 24% in RC areas compared to 4.4% in Protestant areas we should find out why.

    There's obviously going to be a range of socioeconomic and other complicated factors at work causing the discrepancy but perhaps there are things could be done to increase attainment rates in disadvantaged Protestant areas.


  • #5
    smcgiff
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    The stock answer was that loyalists didn't need education as they traditionally took up jobs in protestant dominated industries such as H&W, not sure if this explains such a big gap though.


  • #6
    sollar
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    Dawn Pervis was on BBC discussing the problem of protestant underachievement in working class areas a few months ago.

    They had ready made jobs for generations and now they are drying up.


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  • #7
    PatsytheNazi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PatsytheNazi


    smcgiff wrote: »
    The stock answer was that loyalists didn't need education as they traditionally took up jobs in protestant dominated industries such as H&W, not sure if this explains such a big gap though.
    Yes, in the ' good old days ' Billy and ' Sammy no matter how lazy or thick, enjoyed the fruits of discrimination.

    “the educational non-progressor was most likely to be a Protestant working class male” University of Ulster Research, for OFMDFM, 2001

    http://www.dawnpurvis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/EDPWC-Research-Summary-Dec10.pdf


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