Cuts/Increases in Stableford

Bazzmundo

Can anyone explain how Cuts/Increases work in Stableford?

Opics

The same as stroke

Bazzmundo

Opics wrote: »

The same as stroke

I'm afraid that doesn't help me at all.

I'm new to all of this and don't reallly understand most of it.

cackhanded

You'll find it all explained on this link http://www.handicapmaster.org/handicaps/Unified_Handicapping_System_Page2.php

(sorry but too tired to type a full reply)

Have a read of that and come back to us if there's anything in it you need explaining.

the lawman

Bazzmundo wrote: »

Can anyone explain how Cuts/Increases work in Stableford?

I'm quite new to this too but from what I understand is:

If you play off 18 for example and you shoot the CSS (which for Rathcore is 34 points) there is no cuts.

If you shoot above that you get cut by 0.3 for every point you're over.

If you shoot below that you will be increased by 0.1 for every shot.

I think the lower your handicap the 0.3 is lower, for example if your off 12 or lower I think that 0.3 is 0.2.

Of course I'm completely open to be wrong and proven so!!!

Myksyk

Nearly right but if you shoot below the css (outside the buffer zone for your category - cat1 >1 shot below CSS, cat2 >2 shots below CSS, cat3 >3 shots below CSS) then you get .1. ... But not for every shot ... No matter how bad u play you only get .1.

the lawman

Myksyk wrote: »

Nearly right but if you shoot below the css (outside the buffer zone for your category - cat1 >1 shot below CSS, cat2 >2 shots below CSS, cat3 >3 shots below CSS) then you get .1. ... But not for every shot ... No matter how bad u play you only get .1.

So if you shoot a 20 points for example you will only get added 0.1 x 3 = 0.3?

Webbs

the lawman wrote: »

So if you shoot a 20 points for example you will only get added 0.1 x 3 = 0.3?

No you will just get 0.1 added on.

(Once your outside your relevant buffer zone you will only ever get 0.1 added on no matter what the score or your h'cap).

Dr_Colossus

the lawman wrote: »

If you play off 18 for example and you shoot the CSS (which for Rathcore is 34 points) there is no cuts.

Also the CSS won't always be 34 for Rathcore. The CSS is a variable figure based on the cards returned for that day's competition and thus takes account of the playing conditions including weather, tough pin positions etc. Based on the scores returned adjustments are made to the SSS (fixed figure based on the difficulty of the course) in the region of +3 to -1 to yield the CSS. As such scoring 34 points for Rathcore could warrant a cut if the CSS is 31 (SSS of 34 + 3). If you're a handicap 2 category player (5.5 to 12.4 handicap) then you'd be cut 0.6 shots for the 34 points.

the lawman

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Also the CSS won't always be 34 for Rathcore. The CSS is a variable figure based on the cards returned for that day's competition and thus takes account of the playing conditions including weather, tough pin positions etc. Based on the scores returned adjustments are made to the SSS (fixed figure based on the difficulty of the course) in the region of +3 to -1 to yield the CSS. As such scoring 34 points for Rathcore could warrant a cut if the CSS is 31 (SSS of 34 + 3). If you're a handicap 2 category player (5.5 to 12.4 handicap) then you'd be cut 0.6 shots for the 34 points.

Thanks for that. Can you show me how you got that 0.6 (by way of 0.2 x 3 or whatever!).

This seems to be contradicting Myksky who suggests it should be only 0.1.

Yours in confusion.

Dr_Colossus

Yea if you shoot 34pts and the CSS is 31pts then you're 3 shots better than CSS so based on a category 2 player the cut is 0.6 (3 shots x 0.2 category = 0.6). If you were a category 4 player (20.5 to 28.4 handicap) then the cut would be 1.2 shots (3 shots x 0.4 category = 1.2).

Mkysyk's response was in relation to handicap increases will will always only be 0.1 shots once your score is outside your buffer zone. For example if you're a handicap 2 player and you shoot 28pts and the CSS is 31 then you're outside your buffer zone of 2 shots so you get 0.1 shots back.

The handicap categories make it such as it's easier for a higher handicap player to go down in handicap but harder to go up given the increased buffer zone. A category 1 player (0 to 5.4 handicap) will always have to shoot within 1 shot of the CSS or they'll start to creep up again and for every score they bring in better than CSS they'll only get cut 0.1 times the number of strokes they improve on the CSS making it a tough handicap to maintain.

Paulusmaximus

Each course has an SSS, which is the standard scratch score. all things being equal and you play to your handicap you shoot this score.

Every singles competition will have a CSS which is the competition scratch score which is what you should have shot on the day if you play to your handicap.

For reduction purposes, for every point over the CSS your handicap will be reduced by:

Cat 1: 0.1
Cat 2: 0.2
Cat 3: 0.3
Cat 4: 0.4

For increase purposes, you will receive 0.1 only, for any score less than:

Cat 1: CSS minus 1
Cat 2: CSS minus 2
Cat 3: CSS minus 3
Cat 4: CSS minus 4


Any other score will result in no change to your handicap.

EXAMPLE:

SSS = 34 points
CSS = 33 points

PLAYER A: Handicap 18 score 35 points. Reduction 0.6 (2 x 0.3)
PLAYER B: Handicap 10 score 37 points: Reduction 0.8 (4 x 0.2)
PLAYER C: handicap 15 score 31 points: no change (in bufferzone (30-33))
PLAYER Handicap 17 score 22 points: 0.1 increase.

staker

And when is this CSS decided and how can I access it?

Paulusmaximus

staker wrote: »

And when is this CSS decided and how can I access it?

CSS is calculated by a computer system when all scorecards for the competition are entered. It would be standard for a club to publish the CSS with the results sheet and it will also be shown on golfnet when the scores are uploaded.

staker

Now it makes perfect sense thanks lads. I always thought you had to hit 36 before any kind of cut.

Jul3s

staker wrote: »

Now it makes perfect sense thanks lads. I always thought you had to hit 36 before any kind of cut.

In most courses you do have to shot 36points or better to be cut, e.g. my home course is par 71 the SSS is 69 and the CSS is almost never above 69, so in this example you have to shoot 39 or better to get cut.

staker

Just looking at my H/C card on golfnet there.For stableford comps..SSS is -1 and 0 for CSS.
I guess it's just a standard SS for stableford comps irrespective of weather,teeboxes,pin positions?

death1234567

staker wrote: »

Just looking at my H/C card on golfnet there.For stableford comps..SSS is -1 and 0 for CSS.
I guess it's just a standard SS for stableford comps irrespective of weather,teeboxes,pin positions?

I think that means that normally the course play one shot easier than par , i.e if its a par 72 then you should shoot 71 (SSS = -1) but for the competition in question the CSS was 0 so that means that par was 72, i.e. thy gave everyone an extra shot in that competition.

Jul3s

staker wrote: »

Just looking at my H/C card on golfnet there.For stableford comps..SSS is -1 and 0 for CSS.
I guess it's just a standard SS for stableford comps irrespective of weather,teeboxes,pin positions?

I'm not sure where or how you are getting that?.
I just had a look at my golfnet and all of my entries show SSS and CSS in terms of stroke e.g. SSS 69 CSS 70 regardless of the type of comp.

staker

Jul3s wrote: »

I'm not sure where or how you are getting that?.
I just had a look at my golfnet and all of my entries show SSS and CSS in terms of stroke e.g. SSS 69 CSS 70 regardless of the type of comp.

Nope, on mine in the stableford comps the CSS shows up as 0 and -1.
Must be down to the handicap secretary in the club maybe?

PhilipMarlowe

Probably down to the software your club uses. Mine is always a stroke figure also like 71 or 73 or whatever, regardless of it being strokeplay or stableford (club2000 / howdidido).