25 Years To The Day

Paully D

SK1979

Is the hand of god goal really that more memorable than the "other" goal in that game? For me, its always the "other" goal that I think about.

Paully D

SK1979 wrote: »

Is the hand of god goal really that more memorable than the "other" goal in that game? For me, its always the "other" goal that I think about.

Unfortunately I think it is and always will overshadow the other goal. The other goal is one of the best ever though. Shame.

Nailz

That's strange, because this morning I saw what date it was and remembered from reading history books that this day 71 years ago France was forced to sign armistice text with the Nazis over the threat of their occupation in France. Just useless trivia but I found that a bit weird.

GavRedKing

TBH I think both goals sum up Maradona and it was fitting they both happened in the same game, its a bit like beauty and the beast, a genuis with talent that at the time was never seen before, the greatest player on the planet that could do things no one else could, he left numerous English defenders in his wake as he scored one of the most memorable goals of all time.

Unfortunatly one of the other most memeorable goals of all time also happened when a looping high ball fell between a 5ft 6 Maradona and Peter Shilton, surely there was goign to be only one clear winner.......Maradona wheeled away in delight after cheating.

sums up both side of his nature, a genius when he wanted to be but a dirty little so and so also.

Still got to say hes probably my favourite player ever though.

mike65

Little coke crazed gun-toting chancer!

bonerm

mike65 wrote: »

Little coke crazed gun-toting chancer!

Good to see you've come to terms with it. :pac:

Jelle1880

I urge everyone who likes Maradona (Or is simply interested in him) to see Maradona by Kusturica.
Brilliant documentary which shows him for what he is: A flawed genius who is deeply sorry for what he put his family through, regarding the drugs etc.

parker kent

Nailz wrote: »

That's strange, because this morning I saw what date it was and remembered from reading history books that this day 71 years ago France was forced to sign armistice text with the Nazis over the threat of their occupation in France. Just useless trivia but I found that a bit weird.

Also Park Ji Sung signed for Manchester United on this day in 2005. Truly a great day in sporting history :pac:

smokedeels

parker kent wrote: »

Also Park Ji Sung signed for Manchester United on this day in 2005. Truly a great day in sporting history :pac:

*thread hijacked*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682UVb92iUY

Zebra3

Nailz wrote: »

That's strange, because this morning I saw what date it was and remembered from reading history books that this day 71 years ago France was forced to sign armistice text with the Nazis over the threat of their occupation in France. Just useless trivia but I found that a bit weird.

And the Germans burnt the railway carraige that the armistice was signed in straight after-it was the same one that the Germans signed away their defeat in 1918.

Who said Hitler had no sense of humour?

super_furry

Still funny.

citytillidie

I wonder will there be a thread in 23 years time for Henry?

The_Kew_Tour

citytillidie wrote: »

I wonder will there be a thread in 23 years time for Henry?

Hard to know at this stage its long time to wait.

Turtyturd

SK1979 wrote: »

Is the hand of god goal really that more memorable than the "other" goal in that game? For me, its always the "other" goal that I think about.

I think a lot of it has to do with where you are from. English people will always remember the handball everyone else will remember the other goal, likewise with the last WC all the focus is placed on Lampards disallowed goal and not on the four Germany scored. It makes it easier to accept defeat if you convince yourself it was taken out of your hands. Even the Henry incident is what Irish people focus on rather than the fact we should has been at least 2 up at that stage.

super_furry

citytillidie wrote: »

I wonder will there be a thread in 23 years time for Henry?

Nope. England v Argentina was a game watched by the entire world on the back of the Falklands War.

Ireland v France was a much smaller affair.

SK1979

Turtyturd wrote: »

I think a lot of it has to do with where you are from. English people will always remember the handball everyone else will remember the other goal, likewise with the last WC all the focus is placed on Lampards disallowed goal and not on the four Germany scored. It makes it easier to accept defeat if you convince yourself it was taken out of your hands. Even the Henry incident is what Irish people focus on rather than the fact we should has been at least 2 up at that stage.

So true.

And in that particular game, didn't Lineker miss an absolute sitter of a header from a Barnes cross after they'd already pulled it back to 2-1?

Haven't seen the game in yonks but I'm nearly sure he did. Mexico 86' was definitely my earliest proper football memories and its also the reason why Maradona stands head and shoulders above everyone else as the best player I've ever seen.

Zebra3

Turtyturd wrote: »

likewise with the last WC all the focus is placed on Lampards disallowed goal and not on the four Germany scored.

Bs.

The English media and any English people I know held their hands up that they were destroyed by the better side on the day.

danniemcq

Zebra3 wrote: »

Bs.

The English media and any English people I know held their hands up that they were destroyed by the better side on the day.

days!

steelcityblues

Paully D wrote: »

Unfortunately I think it is and always will overshadow the other goal. The other goal is one of the best ever though. Shame.

In England, the first goal is more memorable.

In Argentina, the second goal is more memorable.

eagle eye

steelcityblues wrote: »

In England, the first goal is more memorable.

Everywhere else the second goal is more memorable.

FYP.

It was still cheating and while I still think Maradona was the best player of all time it does ruin my memories of him.

But here is that very special goal seeing as nobody has put it up yet. I love Jimmy Magee's commentary by the way, just was so fitting live when he scored it. Not as good I suppose in replays but at the time watching it live it came across as just the right thing said at the right time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7oRz8VxGvc

steelcityblues

eagle eye wrote: »

FYP.

It was still cheating and while I still think Maradona was the best player of all time it does ruin my memories of him.

But here is that very special goal seeing as nobody has put it up yet. I love Jimmy Magee's commentary by the way, just was so fitting live when he scored it. Not as good I suppose in replays but at the time watching it live it came across as just the right thing said at the right time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7oRz8VxGvc

Well, I would have said that both goals are remembered equally in other countries - those without an emotional investment in regards to Argentina-England. Minor point though.

Bryon Butler on BBC Radio told like it is too straight after the goal: "That is why Maradona is the best player in the world!" Damn right!

Beefy78

Turtyturd wrote: »

I think a lot of it has to do with where you are from. English people will always remember the handball everyone else will remember the other goal, likewise with the last WC all the focus is placed on Lampards disallowed goal and not on the four Germany scored. It makes it easier to accept defeat if you convince yourself it was taken out of your hands. Even the Henry incident is what Irish people focus on rather than the fact we should has been at least 2 up at that stage.

That's true with regards to Maradona (and Henry). Not so much the Lampard 'goal' though, and certainly not in the immediate aftermath. That's the sort of thing that us English would usually cling to after a defeat but in that case I think everyone was aware of the fact that Germany had scored four.

EDIT - as Zebra3 said...

I'm still angry about Maradona. Always will be.

Beefy78

SK1979 wrote: »

So true.

And in that particular game, didn't Lineker miss an absolute sitter of a header from a Barnes cross after they'd already pulled it back to 2-1?

Haven't seen the game in yonks but I'm nearly sure he did. Mexico 86' was definitely my earliest proper football memories and its also the reason why Maradona stands head and shoulders above everyone else as the best player I've ever seen.

Not a header, from what I recall. Barnes flashed it across the box and Lineker launched himself with his foot to get the ball. Any sort of touch and it had to have gone in. It was similar to the Gazza chance vs Germany in extra time in Euro 96.

ArmaniJeanss

Off topic, but was watching the World Cup U17s from Mexico the other night.

A team in blue was playing a team in white and the camera work, the color scheme from the camera, the sheen off the grass, just about everything looked like England v Argentina '86.

It looked just like a World Cup should, hopefully it goes back to Mexico someday.

Dozen Wicked Words

Shilton should never have been beaten in the air by Maradona, with his hand or otherwise, hopelessly late off his line and feeble jump. For the wonder goal England should have chopped him down before he got anywhere near the penalty area.

bonerm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Off topic, but was watching the World Cup U17s from Mexico the other night.

A team in blue was playing a team in white and the camera work, the color scheme from the camera, the sheen off the grass, just about everything looked like England v Argentina '86.

It looked just like a World Cup should, hopefully it goes back to Mexico someday.

This game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KWRw819-jk

I must admit I do also prefer the look of sunny daytime games to night. But that said it can affect a team badly also. I think Ireland would have gone much further in the 1994 if they'd played all their games at night in better cooler climates. The game-plan was just destroyed by the early kick-offs.