Enable Ireland door callers...

run_Forrest_run

wow, I've just been amazed at the cheek of a caller to the door on behalf of Enable Ireland.
He called at 8:45pm, the kids were just gone to bed and the guy was acting like he was trying to sell me a car. He was arrogant and cocky.
He rattled on about what Enable Ireland did and he then would stop and ask me if I agreed that what they did was a good thing, yeah, I'm not arguing that. I felt I was in a lecture :eek:

He then proceeded to mention he'd want my bank account details but first he must check that I'm over 25 (I'm 34) and then he said the bank must be an AIB account....I was just amazed at the lad!

When I got a chance to interrupt his spiel I informed him I wasn't giving money nor my bank a/c details to him...with that he said a brief thanks & good evening.

I presume these lads work on commission. I think Enable Ireland need to assess their fund raising strategy, because if this lad keeps up his nonsense they won't raise much funds. He had an ID and looked legit in fairness, it's just his manner was terrible.

I respect charities like Enable Ireland, what they do is admirable but really, this guy was taking the p*ss!

phew, rant over.
Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing from charitiy collectors lately?

Daegerty

Commission + a handsome hourly rate

They must figure the thing pays off. I don't have much respect for chugging or those charities that hire the chuggers.

leahyl

Daegerty wrote: »

Commission + a handsome hourly rate

They must figure the thing pays off. I don't have much respect for chugging or those charities that hire the chuggers.

Totally agree - haven't got much time for them either! The worst are the ones who accost you on the street! For instance CONCERN FFS! One day a guy hounded me on Winthrop Street - it was raining and he asked me did I want to share his umbrella!! Eh no! It was obvious what he was trying to do with the clipboard in his hand! I actually cross the street to avoid them now (which doesn't always work cos there's usually another one on the other side!):mad:

trotter_inc

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

the guy was acting like he was trying to sell me a car. He was arrogant and cocky.

Sounds like this is the same guy which called to us last week, after 2 sentences we politely sent him on his way It's not an easy job doing what they do, they must get some abuse!!

Daegerty

Daegerty wrote: »

Commission + a handsome hourly rate................

Yeah? As in min wage +

tommy21

leahyl wrote: »

Totally agree - haven't got much time for them either! The worst are the ones who accost you on the street! For instance CONCERN FFS! One day a guy hounded me on Winthrop Street - it was raining and he asked me did I want to share his umbrella!! Eh no! It was obvious what he was trying to do with the clipboard in his hand! I actually cross the street to avoid them now (which doesn't always work cos there's usually another one on the other side!):mad:

Concern are the absolute worst for this. The chuggers are the rudest people I've ever encountered. The "CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR A SECOND" when you clearly do not want to, when you deliberately avoid eye contact and they can even see you change your pace and direction, just piss off like. There are two individuals in particular in the city centre, normally to be found either down that alley way near Scotts (with Smiths on it), or else near the Savoy. The last time I ran into them and he leaped out in front of me, I looked him square in the eyes and said "Today is not a good day." And it wasn't. I think he could see I would shove that clipboard up his pontificating ass, so he fecked off double-quick. Bloody tools. I deliberately don't contribute now to any aid agency that employs this method.

Daegerty

RoverJames wrote: »

Yeah? As in min wage +

All the ones I have seen on job sites are at least 11 per hour + commission.

deRanged

tommy21 wrote: »

I deliberately don't contribute now to any aid agency that employs this method.

same for me.

I've seen an interview somewhere with one of the charities defending chugging by saying it's very effective! it's a royal pain is what it is.

The_Snapper

tommy21 wrote: »

The "CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR A SECOND" when you clearly do not want to,

lol, I had that once, girl chugger went to stop me in Patricks Street saying "Can I ask you one question?" I said "You just did" and walked on........

run_Forrest_run

The_Snapper wrote: »

lol, I had that once, girl chugger went to stop me in Patricks Street saying "Can I ask you one question?" I said "You just did" and walked on........

class! Now why can't I come up with lines like that

eastbono

That is one reason why I dont answer the door. My friends are the same and know to txt or call before they are coming over. If I do answer the door inadvertently I just open it a fraction and say no thanks I have my own charities that I contribute to which is true.

Flesh Gorden

A friend of mine traveled around Ireland in the past with a few lads on behalf of a lesser known charity selling little figurines made to pull at the heart strings

from what I was told 10% of each sale/donation goes to the actual charity, 30% to the seller
and the remaining 60% to a man in Dublin who was responsible as the main organizer of the trips and stock they sold

run_Forrest_run

Flesh Gorden wrote: »

A friend of mine traveled around Ireland in the past with a few lads on behalf of a lesser known charity selling little figurines made to pull at the heart strings

from what I was told 10% of each sale/donation goes to the actual charity, 30% to the seller
and the remaining 60% to a man in Dublin who was responsible as the main organizer of the trips and stock they sold

what charity was it? Not that it matters but I'm just curious.

lisaj

Commission only per sign up

booboo88

I find head phones in, and look straight ahead avoiding eye contact does the trick. or tell them im under 18 so they cant sign me up.......awwwww shucks

Daegerty

booboo88 wrote: »

I find head phones in, and look straight ahead avoiding eye contact does the trick. or tell them im under 18 so they cant sign me up.......awwwww shucks

There has to be more potential for comedy and stringing them along endlessly than just ignoring them. Get into arguments with them, say things arent so bad in Africa or wherever and record it all with a pair of discrete camera sunglasses.

Objectives are:
*Getting them to stray from their designated chugging area
*Holding them up as long as possible (they cant bother anyone else in this time)
*Get money or favours out of them instead
*Coax them into saying or doing something funny for use on youtuibe

booboo88

Daegerty wrote: »

There has to be more potential for comedy and stringing them along endlessly than just ignoring them. Get into arguments with them, say things arent so bad in Africa or wherever and record it all with a pair of discrete camera sunglasses.

Objectives are:
*Getting them to stray from their designated chugging area
*Holding them up as long as possible (they cant bother anyone else in this time)
*Get money or favours out of them instead
*Coax them into saying or doing something funny for use on youtuibe

this may be true, but not when your in beed of retail therapy you know, keeping the economy going;)

D1stant

eastbono wrote: »

That is one reason why I dont answer the door. My friends are the same and know to txt or call before they are coming over. If I do answer the door inadvertently I just open it a fraction and say no thanks I have my own charities that I contribute to which is true.

Thats daft. Its your house. Next time smear a little ketchup on your face and open the door wide with a hurley and serial killer demeanour...

"WITHDRAW!"

kub

This reminds me of the night when my good lady answered a caller at our door. One of these beauties, a female one, gave her the bull etc., my wife being an able lady herself, kindly informed mouthy that we were already looking after 3 other chartities by direct debit.
Your one then asked her who these chartities were, so she was told. What does she do then? Bad mouths the 3 of them, then urges my wife to cancel her direct debits to them.
So she was then kindly instructed to make like a tree and leave.

run_Forrest_run

kub wrote: »

This reminds me of the night when my good lady answered a caller at our door. One of these beauties, a female one, gave her the bull etc., my wife being an able lady herself, kindly informed mouthy that we were already looking after 3 other chartities by direct debit.
Your one then asked her who these chartities were, so she was told. What does she do then? Bad mouths the 3 of them, then urges my wife to cancel her direct debits to them.
So she was then kindly instructed to make like a tree and leave.

holy shít, the nerve of some people.

cookie75

Remember the good old days when people just collected for charity not commision

Malari

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

wow, I've just been amazed at the cheek of a caller to the door on behalf of Enable Ireland.
He called at 8:45pm, the kids were just gone to bed and the guy was acting like he was trying to sell me a car. He was arrogant and cocky.
He rattled on about what Enable Ireland did and he then would stop and ask me if I agreed that what they did was a good thing, yeah, I'm not arguing that. I felt I was in a lecture :eek:

He then proceeded to mention he'd want my bank account details but first he must check that I'm over 25 (I'm 34) and then he said the bank must be an AIB account....I was just amazed at the lad!

When I got a chance to interrupt his spiel I informed him I wasn't giving money nor my bank a/c details to him...with that he said a brief thanks & good evening.

I presume these lads work on commission. I think Enable Ireland need to assess their fund raising strategy, because if this lad keeps up his nonsense they won't raise much funds. He had an ID and looked legit in fairness, it's just his manner was terrible.

I respect charities like Enable Ireland, what they do is admirable but really, this guy was taking the p*ss!

phew, rant over.
Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing from charitiy collectors lately?

This is interesting. They've never once got past the "hello, can I talk...." before I stop them with a polite but firm "no, thanks".

I did wonder what they would rabbit on about if I let them. With the ones on the street, I find if you align yourself behind a passing old person as you walk past them they will always go for the soft option and target granny instead.

run_Forrest_run

Malari wrote: »

This is interesting. They've never once got past the "hello, can I talk...." before I stop them with a polite but firm "no, thanks".

I did wonder what they would rabbit on about if I let them. With the ones on the street, I find if you align yourself behind a passing old person as you walk past them they will always go for the soft option and target granny instead.

clearly I have a lot to learn

parsi

kub wrote: »

This reminds me of the night when my good lady answered a caller at our door. One of these beauties, a female one, gave her the bull etc., my wife being an able lady herself, kindly informed mouthy that we were already looking after 3 other chartities by direct debit.
Your one then asked her who these chartities were, so she was told. What does she do then? Bad mouths the 3 of them, then urges my wife to cancel her direct debits to them.
So she was then kindly instructed to make like a tree and leave.

We experienced the same from a Trocaire collector.

ianobrien

I have employed a number of tricks in the past. These include

1. Talking and mumbling to myself when they approach.

2. If they knock on the door, I'll open it and shout "Mammy, there us a stranger at the door!" I'm in my 30's and live by my own. The reaction is usually good...

3. I have used the following replys "Not today, love"; "Ah, not now" and my favourite "can I get your name as I want to complain about this unwarranted and rude intrusion into my time". The last one usually sends them packing.

Bodhidharma

I find it funny that people have to do 'tricks' or lie to these people. Just look them straight in the face and say you're not interested. I've done it for years and it never fails to work.

If you smile and make up some stupid excuse they know it and will annoy you.

the_syco

At my house I usually just say "no". Whilst looking down at them.

On the street, I find "no speakee englishee" usually works.

Milly33

Ah it is a shame to hear so many of them are nasty asses. A loverly girl cant think of her name called to us and well I had no problem siging up for as tis in fairness a good charity well fingers crossed. I can understand how annoying they get though..

Harry Angstrom

I had one of those Enable Ireland guys call 3 times to my door last week. I didn't bother answering him the first time bcause I can't afford to give money to something like that at the moment. He called back about 2 hours later (still didn't bother answering) and then called back a 3rd time another couple of hours later. Talk about feckin perseverance! Eventually I answered and told him no thanks.

Also, would anybody really give a complete stranger their personal bank account details?? I've lost count of the number of times that people have come up to me (especially on the South Mall for some reason) with their clipboards looking for a monthly contribution. Even though they're representing reputable charities I'd still wouldn't give them my bank details.

I reckon they'd do a hell of a lot better with a flag day every six months because while I'd be willing to throw a fiver into a charity box there's no way I'd be giving my bank details to a complete and utter stranger on the street.

Malari

I've only ever encountered these people on the streets, they're never called to my door, but I'll be on the lookout for them! Really a "no thanks" spoken loudly over their opening gambit does the job. Any other avoidance mechanisms are purely for entertainment.

Miaireland

I haven't had them call to my door but if I when I get stopped by them in the street I tell them Iam already signed up with them.

ShamoBuc

One called to me last night and straight away delved into the sales pitch for about 30 seconds and when he finally came up for air I told him I already subscribe to that charity... Thank you and Goodbye!

Cork24

one day a few years back, i was inside Easons buying a book. when i walked out side this girl stop me and ask me to Donate money, i told her i had none on me.

she turn and tried to look into my eason bag to see what i had got.. i asked her what the hell are you doing, she said you have money to buy a book but none too donate is it ? i almost smack her in the face the cheeky fu**er

run_Forrest_run

Cork24 wrote: »

one day a few years back, i was inside Easons buying a book. when i walked out side this girl stop me and ask me to Donate money, i told her i had none on me.

she turn and tried to look into my eason bag to see what i had got.. i asked her what the hell are you doing, she said you have money to buy a book but none too donate is it ? i almost smack her in the face the cheeky fu**er

that is bad, some cheeky cow.

Malari

Cork24 wrote: »

one day a few years back, i was inside Easons buying a book. when i walked out side this girl stop me and ask me to Donate money, i told her i had none on me.

she turn and tried to look into my eason bag to see what i had got.. i asked her what the hell are you doing, she said you have money to buy a book but none too donate is it ? i almost smack her in the face the cheeky fu**er

Which is why I would just say "no thanks". There's no come-back to that and they can't catch you out in a lie. You shouldn't feel the need to lie. It's entirely your perogative whether you give to her charity or not and none of her business if you don't.

leahyl

Cork24 wrote: »

one day a few years back, i was inside Easons buying a book. when i walked out side this girl stop me and ask me to Donate money, i told her i had none on me.

she turn and tried to look into my eason bag to see what i had got.. i asked her what the hell are you doing, she said you have money to buy a book but none too donate is it ? i almost smack her in the face the cheeky fu**er

I would have reported her to the charity in question - cheeky little bitch!

Harry Angstrom

North Main Street was swarming with them today. I passed one of them (gave her the usual "I have no money" spiel), and then another one ambushes me a few steps up the street. There was yet another one of them across the road.

What annoys me about the people with the clipper-boards is that this is like a job to them. They get a percentage of whatever you agree to donate. At least the people who rattle the money boxes in your face are doing it for nothing and giving up their free time to collect for that charity, such as the SHARE people at Christmas.

CorkMan

At least we know one benefit of it not being Christmas all year around.

Faith

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

North Main Street was swarming with them today. I passed one of them (gave her the usual "I have no money" spiel), and then another one ambushes me a few steps up the street. There was yet another one of them across the road.

What annoys me about the people with the clipper-boards is that this is like a job to them. They get a percentage of whatever you agree to donate. At least the people who rattle the money boxes in your face are doing it for nothing and giving up their free time to collect for that charity, such as the SHARE people at Christmas.

Chuggers get paid a load. They make €11 an hour + commission (Concern ones do anyway). I earn €8.65 an hour so every time they ask me, I feel like telling them that if they care that much, they should donate the extra €2.35 an hour that they earn to the charity on my behalf :rolleyes:.

wild heather

I know that I'll probably be shot down for saying this but I worked as a chugger in Edinburgh yrs ago. It is actually a really hard job to do (which is probably why they pay ok). The team manager meets his team in the morning, he is given a street location from above, lines his team up so they can see each other (puts on the pressure to reach targets) then goes to each recruiter and goes over what the person is going to say etc. My team targets were 4 subscribers a morning but then it was changed to 1 subscriber an hr. I had 5 team leaders and whilst 4 of them were ok 1 team leader was a right B******. If all his team reached their targets then he got his bonus so he'd jokingly say that he didn't care if we reached our targets or not, when it was obvious that he cared very much!!!
There is a huge amount of brain washing; the power of positive thinking - the recruiter has the power to stop and convince a person to subscribe, if not, its the recruiter's fault for not selling the charity well enough.
Recruiters are suppose to get trained pre recruiting for the charity they represent but this is not always the case.
When I worked, there was a young lad was so scared of losing his job that he gave girls his mob number to get them to subscribe, even though he had a girlfriend.
When I think back it wasn't all bad, some of the funniest things happened when I did that job. Def gave me confidence to public speak and to be able to talk to strangers very well!!!
I lasted 1 month btw then got fired as I wasn't making enough money.

kub

it seems to me so that overall they are shooting themselves in the foot. I for one would just say go F*** O**, especially when I discovered that the leeches were actually being paid for been a pest.

So I would expect people to wise up and then stop donating to them.

FTGFOP

It's just not a normal human interaction.

You're walking down the street practically radiating "I don't want to talk to you." Then they still act like they haven't seen that and cross the footpath to engage you like a puppy on extacy. I can't help but feel bad when I ignore them. Some part of my brain only gets that a really friendly person wanted to talk to me and I rebuffed them like a grumpy Mr Wilson.

Sometimes I just want to scream "Be a real fucking person!"

run_Forrest_run

FTGFOP wrote: »

Sometimes I just want to scream "Be a real fucking person!"

story of my life my friend, story of my life

Kenny Logins

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

wow, I've just been amazed at the cheek of a caller to the door on behalf of Enable Ireland.
He called at 8:45pm, the kids were just gone to bed and the guy was acting like he was trying to sell me a car. He was arrogant and cocky.
He rattled on about what Enable Ireland did and he then would stop and ask me if I agreed that what they did was a good thing, yeah, I'm not arguing that. I felt I was in a lecture :eek:

He then proceeded to mention he'd want my bank account details but first he must check that I'm over 25 (I'm 34) and then he said the bank must be an AIB account....I was just amazed at the lad!

When I got a chance to interrupt his spiel I informed him I wasn't giving money nor my bank a/c details to him...with that he said a brief thanks & good evening.

I presume these lads work on commission. I think Enable Ireland need to assess their fund raising strategy, because if this lad keeps up his nonsense they won't raise much funds. He had an ID and looked legit in fairness, it's just his manner was terrible.

I respect charities like Enable Ireland, what they do is admirable but really, this guy was taking the p*ss!

phew, rant over.
Has anyone else encountered this sort of thing from charitiy collectors lately?

Yes. I had a caller yesterday (from another charity), she was very pleasant and would probably do very well in a sales role but knocking on my door at 8PM to ask for my bank details and a monthly commitment? No chance.

I did ask for a leaflet to read in my own time (as she clicked the top of her pen and asked for my first name), but she didn't have any, so I then asked if I could take the form and read that in my own time, she replied that would be in breach of data protection something or other.

I won't waste their time if they call again, as I won't answer the door.

pow wow

Are you sure the Enable guy was 100% legit? Kinda surprised they're going door to door and competing against Airtricity for the most annoying doorstep callers.

As for the chuggers, try saying 'Only if you let me tell you about Jesus!!!!' excitedly with an accent when they ask to talk to you in the street - I haven't had one ever take me up on it

Cork guitarist

What about those, usually foreigners, that stand in front post offices or a busy shop? Nothing wrong with foreigners, but the way most of them of deal with people is different to the way we are used to.
And I have stopped going to Wilton shopping centre because most times there was someone inside every door collecting for something or other, and you couldn't get in or out without being asked for money.The new Dunnes on the Bandon road used be the same, but not as bad lately.

run_Forrest_run

So yesterday's Examiner reveals that several bosses of Charity organisations are coining it and topping the list with a salary of just over €150,000 per year is the head of Enable Ireland..holy fúck is all I can say.

I understand people in these positions should not work for free but c'mon now, this figure is unbelievable. The next smarmy little prick who calls to my door on behalf of this 'charity' will get some response from me :mad: