More British soldiers in jail than in Afghanistan.

PatricaMcKay

The Daily Mail is hardly known for its anti-Imperialism or its sympathy with the plight of the occupied six counties but this article demonstrates something of the type of person who was unleashed on our streets in 69, and who was given a pretty hand in Iraq recently, and is given a pretty free hand in Afghanistan at the moment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216015/More-British-soldiers-prison-serving-Afghanistan-shock-study-finds.html#ixzz1PvzEbnt9

Lemming

Very sensationalist thread title and OP. I smell agenda.

PatricaMcKay wrote:

this article demonstrates something of the type of person who was unleashed on our streets in 69, and who was given a pretty hand in Iraq recently, and is given a pretty free hand in Afghanistan at the moment.

The article does not demonstrate the above. Most certainly not in the manner in which you are trying to spin it, MMMmmmckkaayYY?

For those who can't be botherered, the article discusses failure on the part of the British MoD to deal with mental health issues that might (and sometimes do) acrue among services personnel due to their experiences on military service. It then goes on to spell out many of the issues that ex-services members have to face without support, and that many turn to drink or drugs to try and cope, and inevitably domestic violence, crime, etc.

PatricaMcKay

Lemming wrote: »

It then goes on to spell out many of the issues that ex-services members have to face without support, and that many turn to drink or drugs to try and cope, and inevitably domestic violence, crime, etc.

Its The Daily Mail say they would put that spin on it, however the fact that the British Army happily recruit from prisons and dont care if people have criminal records may also have something to do with it. Anyone who joins the British Army in the first place is by normal standards going to be a bit unstable surely? What type of person takes money to kill people in countries they know nothing about?

PatsytheNazi

Lemming wrote: »

Very sensationalist threat title and OP. I smell agenda.



The article does not demonstrate the above. Most certainly not in the manner in which you are trying to spin it, MMMmmmckkaayYY?

For those who can't be botherered, the article discusses failure on the part of the British MoD to deal with mental health issues that might (and sometimes do) acrue among services personnel due to their experiences on military service. It then goes on to spell out many of the issues that ex-services members have to face without support, and that many turn to drink or drugs to try and cope, and inevitably domestic violence, crime, etc.

Knowing the history of the British army, it's more likely they had these ' mental health issues ' before they ever joined the Brits, knowing the calibre of fellow who joins it.

Lemming

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Its The Daily Mail say they would put that spin on it, however the fact that the British Army happily recruit from prisons and dont care if people have criminal records may also have something to do with it. Anyone who joins the British Army in the first place is by normal standards going to be a bit unstable surely? What type of person takes money to kill people in countries they know nothing about?

I suggest you go back to reading whatever nonsense that an phoblaicht IndyMedia is spouting out.

mikemac

The Daily Mail articles are often well written but their sensationalist headlines are completly different to the article.


Mental health issues for ex servicemen is an issue and they don't seem to be getting the help and resources they need.
Just discarded and many cannot cope or readjust and end up homeless.
It's happened to soldiers since armies existed.

As for the comments.
The second most popular worked in illegal immigration. :rolleyes:
You could write an article on Diet Coke and double glazing or any random topic and the DM readers would find an illegal immigration angle to it

MysticalRain

Does this thread have a point other than opportunistic bashing of the British Army? If I had wanted to read that sort of tripe, I would have logged on to an Phoblacht or IndyMedia.

RMD

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Its The Daily Mail say they would put that spin on it, however the fact that the British Army happily recruit from prisons and dont care if people have criminal records may also have something to do with it. Anyone who joins the British Army in the first place is by normal standards going to be a bit unstable surely? What type of person takes money to kill people in countries they know nothing about?

Right, you're wrong straight away. Most branches of the armed forces wont accept you if you have any criminal history within the previous 5 years and if you have a history for crime, you wont make it past the initial interview. I'll quite likely be joining in a year, am I mentally unstable? No, I just want to do something which I've wanted to be since I was a child and since my own country isn't recruiting again for quite a while my only option is to go across the water. Not everyone joins to go shoot people, there's a lot more to it than that.

This article isn't about the "scum" who work in the BA, it's about the failure to provide mental healthcare to soldiers upon leaving the armed forces. This isn't just a BA problem, it's a problem across the board for most coalition countries involved in previous NATO missions.

If the only reason was to open this topic was bash the BA and put across your "Republican / Anti-Brits" agenda, it's not really worthy of much discussion is it?

PatricaMcKay

RMD wrote: »

This article isn't about the "scum" who work in the BA, it's about the failure to provide mental healthcare to soldiers upon leaving the armed forces. This isn't just a BA problem, it's a problem across the board for most coalition countries involved in previous NATO missions.

Yeah its called the human conscience. Catches up even on Imperialists a lot of the time.

PatricaMcKay

RMD wrote: »

If the only reason was to open this topic was bash the BA and put across your "Republican / Anti-Brits" agenda, it's not really worthy of much discussion is it?

Im not "Brit" at all. I like the English and England.

RMD

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Yeah its called the human conscience. Catches up even on Imperialists a lot of the time.

What do you mean the human conscience? What does that have anything to do with my point.

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Im not "Brit" at all. I like the English and England.

Really? Because the only stuff I seem to see you writing is about the "occupied" North and just how awful the "Brits" are.

mattjack

MysticalRain wrote: »

Does this thread have a point other than opportunistic bashing of the British Army? If I had wanted to read that sort of tripe, I would have logged on to an Phoblacht or IndyMedia.

none at all

PatricaMcKay

RMD wrote: »

Really? Because the only stuff I seem to see you writing is about the "occupied" North and just how awful the "Brits" are.

What is the contradiction?

Your average working class English person is suprisingly open to the Republican view point. I hate the UK state, but Im not to fond of the Free State either, does that mean I hate Irish people?

PatricaMcKay

RMD wrote: »

What do you mean the human conscience? What does that have anything to do with my point.

Generally when you do things that you know in your God given heart are wrong it causes major to minor psychological problems. You may well get a chance to discover that if you do sign up.

Jelle1880

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Generally when you do things that you know in your God given heart are wrong it causes major to minor psychological problems. You may well get a chance to discover that if you do sign up.

Makes absolutely no sense.
Do you even know what your average soldier on the frontline goes through ?

Mental problems don't just occur when you commit evil acts yourself, it can also happen from seeing your friends blown to pieces right in front of you.

But then again, I've come to expect this from you.

RMD

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

What is the contradiction?

Your average working class English person is suprisingly open to the Republican view point. I hate the UK state, but Im not to fond of the Free State either, does that mean I hate Irish people?

British =/= English, there's 2 other nationalities you're forgetting there. I don't even know what your point on the Republic has to do with anything.

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Generally when you do things that you know in your God given heart are wrong it causes major to minor psychological problems. You may well get a chance to discover that if you do sign up.

But many people don't see it as wrong. I don't agree with the original reasons for the war, but now I agree they should continue to stay there and fight the Taliban. What leads to these difficulties on leaving is the mental stress of working in a warzone and going from a strict by the book lifestyle to a totally free and liberal lifestyle. That's why many end up falling into substance abuse.

Edit: Going on your statement that these things are "wrong", I assume that means then you agree with the Taliban ruling over Afghanistan with a totalitarian regime based on an extremely strict interpretation of Sharia law? No regard for Womens rights or civil liberties either? Good to see where you stand on this issue then.

Victor

I imagine a typical soldier spends 3-5 years in the army. They have the rest of their lives to end up in prison. Kindly note the article is about former soldiers, not serving soldiers.

To be honest I suspect the connecting factors are being predominantly male, working class, suffering and/or witnessing trauma and having an inadequate support system. I imagine if you look at the numbers, you won't find many long-term soldiers or officers in prison.

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Im not to fond of the Free State either

Just as well it was gotten rid of decades ago then?

mattjack

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Generally when you do things that you know in your God given heart are wrong it causes major to minor psychological problems. You may well get a chance to discover that if you do sign up.

you,re Wolfetone are,nt ya...

jimmycrackcorm

Lemming wrote: »

Very sensationalist thread title and OP. I smell agenda.



The article does not demonstrate the above. Most certainly not in the manner in which you are trying to spin it, MMMmmmckkaayYY?

For those who can't be botherered, the article discusses failure on the part of the British MoD to deal with mental health issues that might (and sometimes do) acrue among services personnel due to their experiences on military service. It then goes on to spell out many of the issues that ex-services members have to face without support, and that many turn to drink or drugs to try and cope, and inevitably domestic violence, crime, etc.

Mental health issues is it?

A good few years ago I was on holiday in Cyprus when three British army soldiers raped and murdered a Danish holiday rep. The story was as much gruesome as it was idiotic by their drunken behaviour that got them caught.

I came to the conclusion then that the British army attracts the dregs of society.

Jelle1880

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Mental health issues is it?

A good few years ago I was on holiday in Cyprus when three British army soldiers raped and murdered a Danish holiday rep. The story was as much gruesome as it was idiotic by their drunken behaviour that got them caught.

I came to the conclusion then that the British army attracts the dregs of society.

http://couchtripper.com/rapedbysoldiers/?p=651

Damn every single Irish soldier.
Easy, isn't it ?

No way do I condone it, for all I care they cut their balls off in jail, but to generalize like that makes you look silly.

Manic Moran

I came to the conclusion then that the British army attracts the dregs of society.

You mean it attracts members of society, right? Or are all British rapists soldiers?

NTM

RMD

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Mental health issues is it?

A good few years ago I was on holiday in Cyprus when three British army soldiers raped and murdered a Danish holiday rep. The story was as much gruesome as it was idiotic by their drunken behaviour that got them caught.

I came to the conclusion then that the British army attracts the dregs of society.

If you label an entire force of over 100,000 people on the actions 3, is that not a bit assumptive?

anymore

When I see nice middle class english people gushing about ' our bave lads' in the army, I wonder what thier reactions would be be if their nice middle class daughter, say someone like Kate Midleton, brought home a brave private from the army and announced they were getting engaged ?
Well I think we all know the answer, dont we ? In fact the parents with their clipped cultured voices might have difficulty actually understanding what the squaddie was saying if he actually had time to speak before being unceremoniously ejected from the house !

Fratton Fred

anymore wrote: »

When I see nice middle class english people gushing about ' our bave lads' in the army, I wonder what thier reactions would be be if their nice middle class daughter, say someone like Kate Midleton, brought home a brave private from the army and announced they were getting engaged ?
Well I think we all know the answer, dont we ? In fact the parents with their clipped cultured voices might have difficulty actually understanding what the squaddie was saying if he actually had time to speak before being unceremoniously ejected from the house !

Take a trip to Sandhurst and you will meet lots of sons and daughters of middle class English people doing their officer courses.

I have cousins and uncles in, or retired from, all branches of the armed forces and they are loved and respected members of the family.

You might want to make the same comment on the military forum here and see what responses you get.

anymore

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Take a trip to Sandhurst and you will meet lots of sons and daughters of middle class English people doing their :

D:D Of course it would be perfectly acceptable for a nice middle class girl to get engaged to a Sandhurst graduate ! :D


I didnt think that need to be pointed out ! And I did think that my reference to ' brave private' might have clarified what exactly I meant !
Of course it many very well be that in parts of england, there is a long tradition of middle class Maters & Paters welcoming the attentions of humble squaddies to thier daughers - though I suspect that in the rest of middle england, social class re-asserts itself and ex squaddies are expected to use the tradesman entrance.

Scofflaw

Troll thread is troll thread, OP is troll. Closed and banned respectively.

moderately,
Scofflaw